Ray McGovern and the Sam Adams party have presented the Sam Adams award to Edward Snowden. I am delighted. This from Ray’s account of the event:
In brief remarks from his visitors, Snowden was reassured — first and foremost — that he need no longer be worried that nothing significant would happen as a result of his decision to risk his future by revealing documentary proof that the U.S. government was playing fast and loose with the Constitutional rights of Americans.
Even amid the government shutdown, Establishment Washington and the normally docile “mainstream media” have not been able to deflect attention from the intrusive eavesdropping that makes a mockery of the Fourth Amendment. Even Congress is showing signs of awaking from its torpor.
In the somnolent Senate, a few hardy souls have gone so far as to express displeasure at having been lied to by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and NSA Director Keith Alexander — Clapper having formally apologized for telling the Senate Intelligence Committee eavesdropping-related things that were, in his words, “clearly erroneous” and Alexander having told now-discredited whoppers about the effectiveness of NSA’s intrusive and unconstitutional methods in combating terrorism.
Coleen Rowley, the first winner of the Sam Adams Award (2002), cited some little-known history to remind Snowden that he is in good company as a whistleblower — and not only because of previous Sam Adams honorees. She noted that in 1773, Benjamin Franklin leaked confidential information by releasing letters written by then-Lt. Governor of Massachusetts Thomas Hutchinson to Thomas Whatley, an assistant to the British Prime Minister.
The letters suggested that it was impossible for the colonists to enjoy the same rights as subjects living in England and that “an abridgement of what are called English liberties” might be necessary. The content of the letters was so damaging to the British government that Benjamin Franklin was dismissed as colonial Postmaster General and had to endure an hour-long censure from British Solicitor General Alexander Wedderburn.
There has been a determined attempt by government to justify the need to intercept everybody’s communications, all the time. We have, yet again, had MI5 claim there are many thousand violent Islamic terrorists running around the UK, (yet somehow not managing to kill anybody). The cry of “paedophiles” is raised, as always. I can imagine them suggesting the entire population be shot dead, and justifying it as making sure they get the paedophiles. The tabloids would go with that.
There still had not been a single credible claim by the mainstream media that any named individual has died, despite that contingency being trotted out all the time as the reason Snowden and Manning should not have revealed state crimes and abuse of power. I am hopeful that, with the internet still largely free to the dissemination of information, out next massive whistleblower is only weeks away.
Truthhush
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Saddleworm
Hello there, Fedup.
Bukhari and Muslim reported that Ibn Massaoud narrated that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: “Swearing to a Muslim is a debauchery and an immoral act, and killing a Muslim is an act of Kufr.” Such behaviour (swearing) contradicts the complete Iman of the person who does it. Imam Ahmad and Tirmizi reported that Ibn Masoud narrated that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: “A Muslim is not a person who slanders, curses, speaks obscene words or is abusive.” Bukhari also reported that Abdullah Bin Omar narrated that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: “A Muslim is a person whom all Muslims are safe from his tongue and hands.” In a long Hadith reported by Tirmizi, Ahmed, and Ibn Majah; Mu’adh narrated that “The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) mentioned to him what brings him closer to Paradise and what makes him be farther from the Hellfire, and then he told him: “Shall I not inform you of what controls all that.” Mu’adh said: “Please tell me O! Prophet of Allah (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam)”. So the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) took his tongue (with his fingers) and told him: “Restraint this one.” Then Mu’adh said: “O! Prophet of Allah (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam), are we held accountable for what we say.” The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: “How are you asking this question?” People are not thrown into the Hellfire on their faces or noses except due to the result of their tongues.”
Cursing a great deal is criticized, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer is not a slanderer, one who curses a great deal, one who indulges in obscenity or who in engages in foul talk.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (1977); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
Any thoughts?
Lapshyn was driven by an extreme rightwing and racist mindset preaching outright hatred towards Muslims, hmm
Now what religious viewpoint might be driving such religously perpetrated outrage?
anybody?
Fred: “You’re the one been who has been shown to be using sockpuppets”
Yes it was I myself that verified that a post that I posted was being shown as being posted by Mary; not something I would have done if I was in the habit of impersonating Mary.
Fred: “You are the one posted using the Username “Mary” with no rational explanation”
I have stated that either I somehow accidentally pasted “Mary” in the Name field & not noticed, or somehow my machine was hacked & compromised; I can think of no other rational explanation.
And merkel today has blown the lid on spying on Allies, GCHQ has been shown up to be part of the NSA spy operation and that this will have to stop.
Cameron had to agree with the memorandum served by Merkel and half of the world, hence we will now see a re-polarisation of information flows.
Meanwhile, I can think of no rational explanation as to why you would set out to viciously attack – not question or engage with – and slander Craig’s moderator, and the longest term posters on Craig’s blog, Macky. And no explanation forthcoming: except ‘I did’. It’s clear that you did.
An apology would probably be a start.
Habbu-Confused-Clown-Troll: “I was advocating the stripping of citizenship precisely in order to allow deportation to follow. Your reference to British citizens, who cannot be deported, reinforces my point and I thank you for it”
Yes exactly; the British citizens who operated the child abuse ring in Oxford, that you want to deport, cannot be deported, despite your ardent racist wishes.
Macky, you’re completely failing. By polarising this board to viciousness you’ve prevented views from being heard by people who might agree with them. Shame.
“Now what religious viewpoint might be driving such religously perpetrated outrage?”
Was Breivik ‘religious’? Did`Lapshyn say anything to indicate he might be religious? What are you trying to say, Nevermind?
Technicolour
It is not the duty of non-believers to teach the believers their religion.
The Zionist trolls who attend this blog are no less determined than senior Israeli spokesmen and women to create a sense of validity around the apartheid entity Israel. Since reasoning with them is impossible, as Jon the moderator found to his own cost, satire is the only alternative to completely ignoring them.
Jonathon Swift used satire in his Gulliver’s Travels to ridicule the British who constantly undermined its closest neighbour, Ireland, before proceeding to colonise the entire world through trickery and dirty political lying. Radio 4’s now show has just been taking a dig at listeners who objected to recordings of non-British bird tweets by reminding us that birds have wings.
Everyone will have a response in kind to their own intention. The trolls will be disrupted for their disruption, their intelligence insulted for their insulting of our intelligence, and be ignored for their ignorance towards the truth-seeking of this blog. A lie for a lie and an untruth for an untruth. I don’t make any distinction between the lies of the political Muslims, the political entity of Zionism or any other causus belli concocted of lies and treachery towards our fellow human beings. The trouble is – the liars – they don’t like it up ’em.
Technicolour: “Meanwhile, I can think of no rational explanation as to why you would set out to viciously attack – not question or engage with – and slander Craig’s moderator, and the longest term posters on Craig’s blog”
Are you trying to wear me down with your persistent stupidity ?!
Now read these words very slowly so you have a chance of understanding; I, like anybody else, am free to criticize any other poster here, yes even long term posters or even Mods & ex-Mods. My “vicious attacks” are criticism devoid of vulgar insults or swear words, (yes the opposite to your Villager soul mate), and are posted in full view & expectation that everybody can read & respond to, especially those that I am criticizing; if they wish to engage then I will engage, but I will not go around hounding them to do so. You seem to think that I have the wrecking agenda of a troll, whereas I am one of the most active in confronting the real trolls, witness my almost year old calls to have the Habbu-Clown Troll banned; you just have to except the more boring truth, which is that I criticize different individual posters for their individual actions, nothing more, nothing less, nothing sinister.
If you now want to apologise for stalking me to explain this mind-blowing obvious explanation, feel free.
@AlcAnon
Back in the 70s I was working with a Univac 1108 mainframe. We got a disk based realtime system up and running while they were still struggling with a tape based system in Swansea.
In the early days it was mainly academic institutions on the net, the odd geek radio ham. Every September it was chaos for a while as a batch of new students`got internet access for the first time and didn’t know the social norms.
Then one year they let AOL into the backbone and September never ended. It’s been September ever since.
Certainly you are free to do anything you want, Macky; a privilege you do not wish to see conferred on others. The fact your posts are relatively free of swear words does not stop them from overflowing with insults, denigrations and slanders.
“Are posted in full view”: is this the best you can say for yourself? You are posting on a public blog.
If it has not occurred to you that Dreoilin, who has been posting longer than most people here, including Mary, has a track record entirely opposite to your vicious allegations, I suggest you consider it. If it has not occurred to you that Mary and Dreoilin have been co-posting for years before your slurs and stirring, I suggest you consider it.
“I am one of the most active in confronting the real trolls” – but apparently just about anyone can be labelled a ‘real troll’ unless they are ‘on your side’. Why you do not deal with substance rather than accusation is beyond me.
“witness my almost year old calls to have the Habbu-Clown Troll banned”; yes, and what a joy it was to see this blog dragged down by the frenzied responses of ‘ban him’ and scatological attacks. A professional troll could not have hoped for a better result. And what happened when he was finally banned? You and Fedup continued to smear the moderator, who finally left.
Honestly, you call me stupid, but this has been truly stupid.
It is a fact that UK snipers started the war in Syria, as indeed someone tried to do in Egypt, I don’t know who. Our government was acting on behalf of its blackmailers the Ziobanksters in order to create an opportunity for Israel to grab land in the chaos of civil war. If you put Cameron Hague Obama and Kerry in the balance with 4 pre-tortured by us in Grozny Libya Iraq or Afghanistan jails, the pre-tortured victims of Ziostan torture would in my mind have more excuse for their choice of violence than the manicured millionaire toff who is our PM. But I am not the judge of their intentions.
In my opinion it would have been better for this country to go to the wall financcially than for our leaders to cave in to Ziostan blackmail and collapse two proud nations, Libya and Syria. I personally would have preferred bankruptcy to witnessing the destruction of these two Muslim countries. But the oh so civilised Brits are not ready for a taste of their own treatment. Even nearly 100 years after the destructiuon of the Muslim chaliphate, they would still rather set their face to destroying the lives of more Muslims than face the consequences of their previous actions viz bankruptcy and destruction of home counties freedoms.
These trolls use home counties politexcrescence to lure the truthseekers away from their truthseeking. Would you like Godalming to be running with sewage and eat dogs and rats? or would you rather the battlefield was next to Israel, a proxy war on behalf of the poxy Queen against Islam. Do you want snipers positioned on Windsor Castle, or do you prefer to rape the women and spike the children of Syria.
Eton shite Cameron would rather you agree with him that fighting Islam away from home is nicer than doing it at home. I don’t agree with him.
Guano: if Gullliver’s Travels had consisted of a repetitive string of swear words and insults, I doubt it would have survived a decade, let alone centuries.
“Since reasoning with them is impossible, as Jon the moderator found to his own cost” – Jon tried to reason with *Fedup*. I don’t get you?
“satire is the only alternative to completely ignoring them”: I agree, but satire is a carefully constructed edifice directed at the sources of power leading to the opposite conclusion; not hysterical ranting and viciousness at people who actually are on the same side.
Incidentally Guano: “It is not the duty of non-believers to teach the believers their religion”
You have no way of knowing what I believe, but I was quoting from recognised Islamic sources.
“I have stated that either I somehow accidentally pasted “Mary” in the Name field & not noticed, or somehow my machine was hacked & compromised; I can think of no other rational explanation.”
Bullshit.
You were the one happily accusing someone else of impersonating Mary based on the laughable evidence of a commonly misspelled word.
Yet here we have real solid evidence, no I don’t believe you typed your name wrongly, I don’t believe your computer was hacked, nether of those are credible explanations.
Next you’ll be telling us it was the tooth fairy did it.
@Technical, only a fool argues with an idiot, so I’m generously becoming a fool to help clear the delusions you appear to be suffering from.
““Are posted in full view”: is this the best you can say for yourself”
This means that my criticisms are not cryptic or sly, but clear & understandable to everybody, (except you of course).
So your real problem with me seems to be because I have the temerity to criticise your long time poster friend, Dreoilin; you speak of her glowing track record here, as if that excuses the track record that I have witness in the year that I have been posting here, which is a track record of unwarranted & relentless bitchy snarking & snipes at Mary, often siding with Chief Troll & the Village Idiot in simultaneous attacks; now you can’t realise this, because you yourself often join-in in these attacks on Mary. I suggest that you reflect on this fact, and look honestly in the mirror.
“but apparently just about anyone can be labelled a ‘real troll’ unless they are ‘on your side’. Why you do not deal with substance rather than accusation is beyond me”
No offense really intended, but you could never be a real troll; dealing with substance when dealing with real trolls is both a tricky & normally time wasting task, unless you handle it correctly; I think I am one of the few that have engaged in depth two or three times with the Chief Troll, and a couple of times with the lesser trolls, and I mean engaged fully not superficially, witness my debate with Hubble-Clown & Res Des on these threads;
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/06/pandering-to-racism/
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/03/craig-murray-in-cotton-corruption-scandal/
“what a joy it was to see this blog dragged down by the frenzied responses of ‘ban him’”
You are confusing the remedy with the illness.
“You and Fedup continued to smear the moderator, who finally left.”
No, we mentioned criticisms we have, just like others have done, including the foul mouth abuse that your Village soul mate often hurl at Jon; if you were so concern that what we said was wrong, you should have engaged; if you want anybody to blame for Jon resigning, take a look at your mate who you never mention, but was always on Jon’s back
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/10/edward-snowden-gets-sam-adams-award/comment-page-3/#comment-433528
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/10/edward-snowden-gets-sam-adams-award/comment-page-2/#comment-433324
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/10/edward-snowden-gets-sam-adams-award/comment-page-3/#comment-433486
Right, let’s start from the top
“only a fool argues with an idiot, so I’m generously becoming a fool to help clear the delusions you appear to be suffering from”
– and you criticise other people for their “unwarranted & relentless bitchy snarking & snipes”. Right.
Otherwise, apart from self-puffery. Yes, of course Dreoilin, from the years I have known her here, has a glowing track record. Jon, craig’s moderator, and Suhayl too. You apparently think this is something you can trivially discard in favour of your unpleasant and divisive campaign against someone who will surely be chortling with pleasure, if he is what you say he is.
Give it up.
Fred; “Bullshit”
So explain why mary never noticed that somebody was posting in her name ?
Explain why there is not ever the slightest resemblance in anything posted under Macky with anything posted under Mary ?
Fred: “You were the one happily accusing someone else of impersonating Mary based on the laughable evidence of a commonly misspelled word.”
There was more to it than that as you dishonestly leave out;
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/10/edward-snowden-gets-sam-adams-award/comment-page-10/#comment-435119
Technicolour “Give it up”
Yes, I will give up on you, as you are the stupidest & most blinkered Poster I’ve had the misfortune to be stalked by, for a very long time.
“So explain why mary never noticed that somebody was posting in her name ?”
You explain how you would be typing your name in if you hadn’t been posting as someone else.
“There was more to it than that as you dishonestly leave out;”
No there wasn’t, as I pointed out at the time, there was never any solid evidence like there is against you.
No, Macky, I’m not stalking you. I’m a poster on this board and I’m asking you to explain why you continue to attack it. You can’t explain. But you continue to do so. Has it worked for you? Are you happy with the divisions you’ve helped sow?
Incidentally, calling someone ‘stupid’ continually might work if I didn’t think it was a typical Tory tactic – which, of course, it is.
Technicolour
The war in Syria is a continuation of the west’s war against Islam. The war in Afghanistan , ignited by the false-flag operation 9/11 took this was far away from the west’s sacred safety. The war in Syria allows a war to take place amongst civilians between Muslims and a tyrant, who has secretly been assisted by the west’s partner Russia.
The lie is that the West is supporting the rebels. it supports them diplomatically to the extent of giving them permission to hold a war against Assad, so that they and their Ziostan-backed partners can ramp up the opposition and ramp up the threat to civilians. If the west had wanted Assad gone it would have taken a couple of months to do so.
I take no lectures at all from you about my religion. The devil speaks the truth sometimes, because he has an untruth to attach to it. You are using troll tactics to suggest that strong feeling should not be expresse, and by Allah I will never be told by kafir trolls what to say or not to say on this blot.
This country is continuously waging Zionist war against Islam and leading Islam into traps where they are put into problems. The Spiritual leader of this country is the Kabbal of Zionism, which perpetually hates Islam for replacing it as the custodian of the religion of the worship of the One God.
I was working flat out this summer and have spent 3 weeks trying to post on a predictive text android phone. I have watched this blog going round and round in circles like a thunderstorm. The trolls have been stirring the shit and the pathetic attempts of the mainstay subscribers have been overcome with the methane of troll shit. Technicolour is most definitely in with the trolls by suggesting that someone who stands up to them with firm language and direct insults is acting against his religion.
You are a spent condom swirling in the troll shit.
Fred: “You explain how you would be typing your name in if you hadn’t been posting as someone else”
I use Firefox so never have to type my name in, the Name field is always filled in as is the Email field. So straight away a wrong assumption is the basis of your “real evidence”
Techshit
Don’t like truth? Stay away from this blog.
Bollocks, Anno, and you well know it.
As for Syria: we are all of us civilians in a stupid and resource grabbing geopolitical power game. Nothing to do with Muslims and Christians. All children of the Ketab, you know. Just humanity v brutality.
As for ‘taking instruction from a kafir’ (how do you know?): do you actually disagree with the sources quoted? No.