Irrefutable evidence of a stunning bit of fakery by the BBC:
In this version the medic being interviewed says about the 2 minute mark:
“..It’s just absolute chaos and carnage here, erm we’ve had a massive influx of
what looks like serious burns, er seems like it must be some sort of chemical
weapon, I’m not really sure..”
In this version she says – it is at about 2 mins 20 seconds in this edit:
“..It’s just absolute chaos and carnage here, erm we’ve had a massive influx of
what looks like serious burns, er seems like it must be some sort of, I’m not
really sure, maybe napalm, something similar to that..”
The disturbing thing is the footage of the doctor talking is precisely the same each time. It is edited so as to give the impression the medic is talking in real time in her natural voice – there are none of the accepted devices used to indicate a voiceover translation. But it must be true that in at least one, and possibly both, the clips she is not talking in real time in her own voice. It is very hard to judge as her mouth and lips are fully covered throughout. Perhaps neither of the above is what she actually said.
Terrible things are happening all the time in Syria’s civil war, between Assad’s disparate forces and still more disparate opposition forces, and innocent people are suffering. There are dreadful crimes against civilians on all sides. I have no desire at all to downplay or mitigate that. But once you realise the indisputable fact of the fake interview the BBC has put out, some of the images in this video begin to be less than convincing on close inspection too.
I came across this yesterday, Craig. Absolutely unbelievable, and makes one wonder if the whole thing is not made up. At any rate it gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “Lost in translation”.
Ahh, a thread about blatant BBC propaganda. Am transferring forward my post this morning on previous thread. Much more at home here…
Anyone watch the BBC’s excretable By Any Means last night? The propaganda was so crude I thought I was watching William Hague’s wet dream. I was waiting for the cum shot but, well, I guess ‘dysfunction’ is a word that easily came to mind… But had all the correct ingredients needed for little Willy’s nocturnal imaginings: based in the Columbian embassy, Ecuadorian-style flag draped outside the building; monstrously egotistical villain claiming diplomatic asylum for non-political crimes; police entering an embassy lobby to seize villain, then having to stand down, curses!; it even had a balcony speech. MI5 saves the day with their oh-so-clever surveillance tricks and bugs in the embassy walls. Hurrah!
Really hokey plot and the dialogue was terrible, but there were so many UK government wish-list bits in it. I thought the scenes showing the Columbian ambassador didn’t really want his guest around and couldn’t wait to get rid of him were a nice touch. Hmm, maybe they were dear Willy’s cum shots…? Like I said, really crude propaganda but the UK public didn’t seem to have much difficulty getting the message:
“By Any Means is to taking the p**s out of Assange’s situation … LOVING IT”
https://twitter.com/hab318princess/status/386951753746247680
“I hope David Cameron and William Hague are watching By Any Means, could teach them how to get Assange out of th embassy.”
https://twitter.com/matthewshev/status/386952059763040256
“If only MI5 had gone after Julian Assange the way this lot on #ByAnyMeans have captured their man. *rollseyes*”
https://twitter.com/scotbot/status/386957877736259584
“Just finished watching #ByAnyMeans Let it be a lesson for Assange…”
https://twitter.com/accra71/status/386975931287343104
Given that there is this discrepancy in the two video, why not ask to see the original non-dubbed video?
Perhaps she actually said something completely unrelated to weapons.
The different language spoken by the doctor in the two versions (but where the film footage is identical) should surely be put to the BBC simply to get clarification: was this because voice-over was added later; if so, which version is the definitive one?
Nice catch Craig.
It used to be a matter of concern if a photographer was caught in any way staging a news photograph. I am sure this will be explained as merely an editing discrepancy, and that cutting in other parts of speech is a perfectly valid documentary technique. Of course we know it is propaganda.
I wonder if one of the videos will change soon. Are you going to make a complaint to the bbc trust?
Iain,
What really interests me is:
a) The failure to use any of the accepted means of indicating it is a voiceover (normally on the BBC you get a few seconds of the speaker in original language before voiceover starts)
b) The decision making process by which a second version was substituted for the first. Was it something like –
“It’s not chemical weapons any more since the Russian deal, the buzzword to pin on Assad this week is napalm”
“Ok, Mr Purnell, I’ll change it”?
Oh, does anyone still believe a word the bullshit brainwashing corruption has to say about anything? Wise up, its just another arm of our missingintelligence services.
I heard Dr Rola being interviewed on the Today programme a few months ago, and thought is sounded very suspicious. I don’t think it is still online, but if anyone can find it, it could be useful to listen to it again.
The big one of course was the newsreader talking about the collapse of building 7 while it was still there behind her. I don’t believe much that the BBC puts out. There is so much leverage from its board it never carries real stories like this about a US dual nationality Moslem imprisoned in notorious Iraqi prisons for nine years with a daughter he has never seen, and no hope of release.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/19220-nine-years-of-injustice-for-american-prisoner-in-iraq
There is a very long thread on Medialens about this fakery, commencing with an excellent letter to the BBC from ‘Robert’.
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1380978198.html
We have discussed Dr Rola Hallam before here on previous threads. She works in the NHS yet also gets to Uganda and Syria for two charities, Hand in Hand for Syria and Atfal.
Hand in Hand was registered in Nov 2011. No financial info recorded.
1145862 – HAND IN HAND FOR SYRIA NEWLY REGISTERED
Other names ! None Governing document ! DECLARATION OF TRUST DATED 20/12/2011 Area of benefit ! No information recorded Organisation type ! STANDARD REGISTRATION Where it operates !
JORDAN
LEBANON
SYRIA
TURKEY
! Registration history ! 13 February 2012 Registered
Charitable objects ! HAND IN HAND FOR SYRIA EXISTS TO:
RELIEVE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, PROVIDE FOOD AND SHELTER AND OTHER ESSENTIALS, RELIEVE SICKNESS AND PRESERVE HEALTH, AND ADVANCE EDUCATION FOR THE PUBLIC BENEFIT. HAND IN HAND FOR SYRIA FOCUSES ITS EFFORTS BOTH ON SYRIAN PEOPLE IN SYRIA AND THOSE DISPLACED FROM SYRIA Classification !
What
• THE ADVANCEMENT OF HEALTH OR SAVING OF LIVES
• THE PREVENTION OR RELIEF OF POVERTY
• OVERSEAS AID / FAMINE RELIEF
• ACCOMMODATION / HOUSING
• HUMAN RIGHTS / RELIGIOUS OR RACIAL HARMONY / EQUALITY OR DIVERSITY
Who
• CHILDREN / YOUNG PEOPLE
• ELDERLY / OLD PEOPLE
• PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES
• PEOPLE OF A PARTICULAR ETHNIC OR RACIAL ORIGIN
• OTHER CHARITIES OR VOLUNTARY BODIES
• THE GENERAL PUBLIC / MANKIND
How
• PROVIDES OTHER FINANCE
• PROVIDES HUMAN RESOURCES
• PROVIDES SERVICES
• ACTS AS AN UMBRELLA OR RESOURCE BODY
• OTHER CHARITABLE ACTIVITIES
Trustees:
RAZAN SAHLOUL
FADDY SAHLOUL address in Nottingham
FADI AL-DAIRI
http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/find-charities/
s/be Registered in Feb 2012.
http://www.handinhandforsyria.org.uk/ Donate.
There’s a lot more about this here and here
I submitted an FOI request to the BBC on 1 September about Dr Rola’s real identity and affiliations. After prompting because they were out of time, they replied declining the requested info because it was both exempt under journalistic privilege and ‘Dr Rola requested anonymity’
Her charity ‘Hand-in-Hand-for-Syria’ certainly has ideological connections with the Opposition and FSA (Compare Logo and flag) but I suspect far closer connections because of family name and a few other things. Also, the other Doctor is Saleyha Ahsan who graduated from the Military Academy, Sandhurst and served in Bosnia. But the BBC doesn’t want you to have that bit of irrelevant information.
Ian Pannell is clearly doing the Spooks bidding. If he doesn’t realise it he’s just another ambitious young idiot.
BTW – further to the above, I’d welcome further info to flesh that Wikispooks article out – there’s a LOT more to Ian Pannell’s reporting on Syria than meets the eye.
Thanks for that additional information Wikispooks. I have outstanding FOI and Home Office FOI requests made in June. One regards Talha Ahsan and the other Abu Qatada. Of course, they are Muslims, and special laws have been implemented since 9/11 to arrest and imprison without trial forever (or as long as they want) and without evidence of criminal activity, just on suspicion. The media fabrications are one thing, but having approval and support from the highest positions of a government funded by wealthy Zionists, is what makes these lies and injustices so diabolical.
Sorry, should have read outstanding FCO and Home Office FOI requests.
There is no question of this being an English translation dubbed over words spoken in another language – the doctor (“Dr Rola”) is introduced as being British, and speaks English (without her face covered) in other parts of both of these BBC “news reports”. She is also the Dr Rola interviewed in English on Newsnight on 30 August.
The two pieces of video, at least one of which contains tampered audio, are not quite identical, they seem to be a moment or two apart – see http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1381065971.html from the thread that Mary posted above. However, this is indeed a minor point compared to the fakery with the soundtrack.
“Spike” on the Media Lens Message Board has done a sterling job of isolating the two soundtracks for comparison:- https://archive.org/details/BBCSyriareport1
As he notes in the same Media Lens Message Board thread http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1381000766.html
Not a charity:
http://www.dellam.com/07111205-FINEST%20FRESH%20PRODUCE%20LIMITED
The Sahlouls seem to prefer the charity sector now.
I distinctly remember the extended footage from this hospital after the “attack” just after it was released, it contained the above scenes and some which have been left out of this piece. It was some of the worst acting i’d ever seen, people were standing around groaning like zombies, all looking right into the camera as if they’d been caught off guard by someone calling out “Action”. People were milling about with nothing approaching the panic/urgency so evident in genuine post-attack footage, and the entire piece was bizarrely quiet, no raised voices, shouted instructions etc. The cameraman doesn’t seem to have been jostled or impeded even once, ordinarily a common characteristic of such footage. It was nothing like footage from, for example, Gaza after one of innumerable Israeli air-strikes, completely different feel. Entirely choreographed in my opinion.
I have written to Dame Fiona Reynolds a non-executive director on the BBC board of governors or trustees as sadly they are known lately. I have said I, myself suspect the BBC of fraudulently altering audio in the report from Syria.
I suspect the motive in this instance and others by the BBC are propaganda intended to affect public opinion in the UK in such a way as to congregate support and underpin an offensive against the Syrian government.
” once you realise the indisputable fact of the fake interview the BBC has put out, some of the images in this video begin to be less than convincing on close inspection too. ”
For example?
“The two audio clips are identical up until the ‘chemical weapon/napalm’ section, however the background seems to be different – it’s subtle but there is an engine loudly revved in clip one (0.02.5) which is missing from clip two. ”
I think that may have answered the question. Whoever interviewed Dr Hallam made two (or more) takes, possibly because of the revving engine but not an uncommon practice as Craig should know, and speaking off the cuff she said something slightly different each time. Only question remains is why the BBC used different quotes in both reports. There’s probably a boring and rational explanation for that too but nobody here is interested in the rational. No, it has to be proof that the BBC faked the whole thing on an old “Casualty” set.
The relevant audio from the first version appears to be indentical with that from the BBC Panorama documentary “Saving Syria’s Children” (currently avalable here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SD5QWi-FRU). The video is however distinct, demonstrating that in at least one of these cases (in addition to the two clips previously mentioned)the audio and video tracks have been de-synced.
David M’s comment above is a nonsense.
There’s nothing to suggest the scene was staged. Way-out and groundless suggestions such as this only serve as a distraction from the real issue: that the BBC has clearly and deliberately manipulated the footage in a misleading fashion.
Mark Golding said;
Your suspicions ought to be certainties, given the armature dramatics of a group of spooks that are broadcast as the unfolding of events on the ground.
This is not the first time, the spooks have told stories and stoked up flames of wars. The ordinary Jo in the audience has a sense of fair play and decency and would not be too happy to set about attacking the Johnny Foreigner because certain interest groups decree so. Hence the kabuki to convince the unsuspecting audiences and garner their silence to unleash the best weapons that money can buy, on yet another innocent nation and get away with it.
Let us face it, there no longer exists any International Laws, and Conventions. We now live in a primitive era, that the only force majeure is the calibre of the howitzers or the tonnage of bombs delivered, the rest is designed to keep the ignorant masses happy in their ignorance, until it comes to be their turn.
Craig – the change was FROM “napalm” in the 29 August report TO “chemical weapon” in the one from Sept 30. Perhaps because the napalm claim was just too absurd – napalm sticks to the skin and generates temperatures of 800 to 1,200 degrees celsius. Kim Phuc, the girl in the famous Vietnam War photograph has said “Napalm is the most terrible pain you can imagine”. None of this matches the appearance and demeanour of the “victims” in these videos; all the alleged injuries on view could perfectly well have been created with prosthetics.
Kempe – the audio is identical, every inflection, up until “sort of”. Listen again https://archive.org/details/BBCSyriareport1
Bravo John Pilger! He is as inspirational as ever.
The Party Game is Over. Stand and Fight
“Rise like lions after slumber
In unvanquishable number!
Shake your chains to earth, like dew
Which in sleep had fall’n on you:
Ye are many – they are few.”
October 05, 2013 “Information Clearing House – These days, the stirring lines of Percy Shelley’s “Mask of Anarchy” may seem unattainable. I don’t think so. Shelley was both a Romantic and political truth-teller. His words resonate now because only one political course is left to those who are disenfranchised and whose ruin is announced on a government spreadsheet.
Born of the “never again” spirit of 1945, social democracy has surrendered to an extreme political cult of money worship. This reached its apogee when £1trn of public money was handed unconditionally to corrupt banks by a Labour government whose leader, Gordon Brown, had previously described “financiers” as the nation’s “great example” and his personal “inspiration”.
This is not to say parliamentary politics is meaningless. It has one meaning now: the replacement of democracy with a business plan for every human activity, every dream, every decency, every hope, every child born.
The old myths of British rectitude, imperial in origin, provided false comfort while the Blair gang built the foundation of the present “coalition”. This is led by a former PR man for an asset stripper and by a bagman who will inherit his knighthood and the tax-shielded fortune of his father, the 17th Baronet of Ballintaylor. David Cameron and George Osborne are essentially fossilised spivs who, in colonial times, would have been sent by their daddies to claim foreign terrain and plunder.
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36439.htm
I like the ‘fossilized spivs’ phrase.
Passerby – Certain of course means ‘questionless’ and I am waiting for an answer or response from a connection I made to Dame Fiona Reynolds. The ‘full dress’ will appear whether this women replies or not.
Dont believe anything the BBC broadcasts.
They lie according to the spooks wishes.
Ian Panell is up there in the Pantheon of bullshit artists,alongside Gordon Corera and Frank Gardiner.
Abysmal excuses for journalism.
I am reposting from my blog last month: While Napalm reaches avery high temperature of 1200 degrees, we see the alleged victims have intact clothes, with intact plastic slippers.
Doctor in anesthesia and intensive care yet she is brought in as an expert in napalm burns.
BBC second report disclosed that BBC did not shoot the video of the attack and the “school principal” gave the video tape to the team.
Schools are not open until later in September, the building looks more like a villa with no school in Syria with that design, not any sign nor furniture to show it was a school, BBC does not enter inside that “school/villa”
The identity of the doctor was not disclosed yet later it appears that she lives in London and works in a charity called hand in hand which is established and financed by Saudi preacher Mohammad Al Areifie
The hole in the ground is too small and shallow (50cm deep?)To be a result of any bombardment, with the nearby wall intact.
Kids shoes and hair is intact,
Roula kurdi daughter of Syrian coalition leader, fabricates the report on a napalm attack with BBC.
BBC and other networks who asked Roula to comment on the alleged attack, avoided mentioning her full name although she lives in the UK and there is no danger of retribution in exposing her full name.
BBC claims that 10 kids died in the attack and tens injured but fails to show any of those except for 5 people.
Dr. Rola Hallam, http://atfal.co.uk/the-team.html
First video: 31 august:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-23892594#tweet872510
Video- 31 august:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv5wr9sby5s
Al Areifi video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuG1JPt3HsY
Original Arabic article by investigative journalist Nizar Nayouf:
http://www.syriatruth.org/news/tabid/93/Article/10462/Default.aspx
http://nawarnews.blogspot.ae/2013/09/saudi-radical-clerk-funds-bbc-fake.html
Awareness of Media ignorance/disinformation/propaganda seems to be expanding. I hope it’s not just wishful thinking. Amongst the general public I think it’s more general than specific; kind of a feeling of mistrust. Others are getting more accurate appraisals of Press performance, and the Devil truly is in the details. It is getting more difficult to pull the wool sweater up over the average Joe’s head, whilst you beat him on the kneecaps and claim it’s the action of a third party. Still doable, though. They just haven’t learned yet we are no longer gullible and mentally lazy, or the tactics less subtle, but they will.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2013/10/feds-cagey-on-early-anwar-alawlaki-ties-174323.html
Just incredible !!