Seeing Tony Blair speaking at Ariel Sharon’s Funeral – one war criminal eulogising another – was so horrifying it has jolted this blog back out of retirement. There may be no justice, but there can be truth.
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Daniel Rich
Just because I believe it is wrong to show prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews (or other groups for that matter) it does not follow that I support apartheid (including the wider definition that you give) and I highly resent your inference that I do.
Roger Lloyd Pack supported grass root homeless and youth groups in London without any of the craving for recognition that comes with most celebrity. Top bloke.
A poet too Phil.
http://www.roughwinds.co.uk/
RIP Trigger, we will miss you, top bloke indeed.
Great to see you back blogging, Craig. I was a bit worried about your health.
I didn’t know about AlcAnon’s blog either.
A note to anyone previously in email contact with me:
I have switched to a Mac. And although I had saved my address book from the other laptop, and even printed it out, I’ve now lost all my email addresses. So email me – I can’t email anyone!
Reciting Wilfrid Owen’s Strange Meeting at an anti war protest in 2012.
At the launch of the UK Don’t Attack Iran Campaign on 28 January 2012, held at a rally outside the US Embassy in London, actor Roger Lloyd Pack gave a powerful reading of Strange Meeting by First World War poet Wilfred Owen, one of the most famous anti-war poems ever written.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZZbDGMlezY
ESLO
16 Jan, 2014 – 9:27 am
“No Guano – anti Semitism and anti Zionism are not the same thing – it is you and Daniel Rich that are seeking to establish a false equality rather than me…”
ESLO I’m glad you agree that anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism but Jewish Zionists would disagree with you.
“Jewish communal failure to stem the tide against Israel on American campuses has many causes; among the more important is a flawed understanding of anti-Israelism, which is a new and quite different form of anti-Semitism, and which requires a unique response.”
Charles Jacobs. http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Boycotters-on-the-couch-338074
“I think the line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is getting thinner all the time.”
Brendan O’neill. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100227161/anti-zionists-claim-to-be-completely-different-to-anti-semites-but-theres-one-key-thing-they-have-in-common/
“Anti-Zionism is an inherently anti-Semitic doctrine. In calling for the fall of the Jewish state, anti-Zionists are engaged in a racist endeavour. Jews should feel no hesitation whatsoever in calling out those who challenge Israel’s right to exist as anti-Semites, with all the attendant implications.”
Eylon Aslan-Levy. http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-trouble-with-anti-zionism/
In Sharon’s time. He was the Israeli PM 2001-2006. He succeeded Ehud Barak and preceded Ehud Olmert.
Israeli WMD Institute Used Soldiers as Guinea Pigs in Untested Anthrax Experiment
by Richard Silverstein
January 14, 2014
A six year struggle by a group of IDF soldiers and officers for justice has ended with the State agreeing to pay them $6-million (Yossi Melman’s Hebrew story and the English version, which has been replaced on the Jerusalem Post site by a far more IDF-friendly story by Yaakov Lapin) for their participation in a medical experiment conducted under false pretenses. Between 1999-2005, the ministry of defense, IDF, and the Israeli chemical and biological weapons institute at Nes Ziona collaborated with their American counterparts in research to find a suitable anthrax vaccine. This was the period just after the U.S. “white powder” letter scare in which several Americans were infected with anthrax and died.
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http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/01/14/israeli-wmd-institute-used-soldiers-as-guinea-pigs-in-untested-anthrax-experiment/
FFS this site is going to fold if all discussions lead to cries of anti-semitism or other idiocy. I feel like banging my head against a wall, and I imagine various others (including Craig) feel similarly. The only alternative is to ban some of the trolls. And they really are trolls – they are here to upset the discussions.
This isn’t a freedom of speech/expression issue, it’s about being able to hold a conversation without being railroaded into the same tired arguments we’ve seen here time and time again. Why should they have opportunity to do this? I’m all for accommodating people with different points of view, but not if they make no effort to get into the spirit of the discussion. Is it better for all discussions to descend into chaos than to ban a few people who were largely here to stir things up anyway?
IF Rabin had not been assassinated, would the situation vis a vis the Palestinians be better, different or just the same? There seemed more humanity about him than the others.
‘After the historical handshake with Yasser Arafat, Rabin said, on behalf of the Israeli people: “We who have fought against you, the Palestinians, we say to you today, in a loud and a clear voice, enough of blood and tears … enough!” During this term of office, Rabin also oversaw the signing of the Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace in 1994.’
“ Military cemeteries in every corner of the world are silent testimony to the failure of national leaders to sanctify human life. ” — Yitzhak Rabin, 1994 Nobel Peace Prize lecture.
Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres and Yasser Arafat receiving the Nobel Peace Prize following the Oslo Accords Photo
For his role in the creation of the Oslo Accords, Rabin was awarded the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize, along with Yasser Arafat and Shimon Peres. The Accords greatly divided Israeli society, with some seeing Rabin as a hero for advancing the cause of peace and some seeing him as a traitor for giving away land they viewed as rightfully belonging to Israel. Many Israelis on the right wing often blame him for Jewish deaths in terror attacks, attributing them to the Oslo agreements.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin
The assassin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yigal_Amir
@ ESLO
“Habba isn’t here yet”
Here I am! Sorry to see that Komodo accused you of being me, but you probably know by now that the Eminences are in the habit of accusing people with whom they disagree of being Habbabkuk. It’s a cheap tactic, but of course much easier than actually engaging with the argument, and a comforting way of denying to oneself that there is more than one person on this blog who doesn’t swallow all of the guff posted here.
“I have no gripe with Craig”
That is good. Nor do I – and more importantly, I have no reason to believe that Craig Murray has a gripe with me. That’s probably because his IQ, knowledge and experience is of a rather higher order than those of many of his “supporters”.
@Haemoglobin
“FFS this site is going to fold if all discussions lead to cries of anti-semitism or other idiocy. I feel like banging my head against a wall, and I imagine various others (including Craig) feel similarly. The only alternative is to ban some of the trolls. And they really are trolls – they are here to upset the discussions.”
It is of course classic troll behaviour to dismiss those with whom you disagree of being a troll rather than engaging with their argument. All I can see ESLO did was contest Guano’s view that those promoting the quenelle were anti Semites rather than anti Zionists – a view for which there is a lot of publicly available evidence if you would care to look.
Do you really think it is worth turning a blind eye to anti-Semitism and other bigotry just to advance some other cause?
Doug S
It seems a very peculiar argument you are developing – lets ignore the difference between anti Semitism and anti Zionism because some Zionists are arguing there is no or minimal difference?
@ Haemaglobin
“I’m all for accommodating people with different points of view, but not if they make no effort to get into the spirit of the discussion.”
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That sounds a little nebulous, even weasely, to me. How exactly would you define the “spirit of the discussion”?
Please offer some thoughts on how, in practice, you would reconcile expressing a “different point of view” with “getting into the spirit of the discussion” and how, in your considered opinion, should the “regular posters/guys” of this blog deal with people whom they have decided are not “in the spirit of the discussion”.
“So Mary wishes all the following to rot in hell:
All members of the US Armed Forces while Bush was in power
All members of the UK Armed Forces while Blair was in power
All Republican Party members while Bush was in power
All Labour Party members while Blair was in power.
A tad broad brush I would say – but I suspect that Mary would want to add a few more to her hate list?”
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You are most certainly right, ESLO. She also hates Tories, successful people, women who have “married well” and cyclists who exercise their sport with competitive aim in leafy Surrey.
“While you’ve been away, your prediction that Western nations would try to back-track and maintain Assad in power have proved accurate.”
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I am somewhat astonished, Guano, that you should have neglected to remind avid readers that it was I – Habbabkuk – who first predicted on this blog that the Western powers had no intention of attacking President Assad the Son and, for that matter ( contrary to the frenzied claims of some here), that this was not the start of World War III.
But I forgive you because I know that it is not easy to admit one’s misjudgements and errors of appreciation.
Quite a good film explaining how the scam works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU
“War, Conquest, Famine and DEATH. The four horsemen are coming.”
I’ll try my best to get through it, Herbie, but we’re not off to a good start there!
Tony Blair along with George Bush made Johnny Punish’s 2013 list of “Top Ten Most Wanted Global War Criminals”.
http://rehmat1.com/2013/07/25/ten-top-global-war-criminals-all-non-muslims/
Time to shut up about antisemitism.
There’s still hope though: Israel lobby thwarted in Iran sanctions bid.
Cheers Daniel…
Netanyahu’s demands are largely reflected in the pending Senate bill which is named for its co-sponsors, Republican Sen. Mark Kirk and Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez, each of whom received more campaign money from AIPAC-related political-action committees than any other senatorial candidates during their runs for office – in 2010 and 2012, respectively.
The bill would impose sweeping new sanctions against Tehran if it fails either to comply with the terms of the Nov. 24 accord or reach a comprehensive accord within one year. Such sanctions would also take effect if Iran conducts a test for ballistic missiles with a range exceeding 500 kms or if it is found to have directly or by proxy supported a terrorist attack against U.S. individuals or property.
Rabbi Jack Moline, the director of the National Jewish Democratic Council (NJDC), publicly accused AIPAC of using “strong-arm tactics, essentially threatening people that if they didn’t vote a particular way, that somehow that makes them anti-Israel or means the abandonment of the Jewish community.”
“The bill before the U.S. Senate …will not achieve the denuclearization of Iran,” Goldberg, a self-described “Iran hawk,” wrote in his Bloomberg column this week. “What it could do is move the U.S. closer to war with Iran and, crucially, make Iran appear – even to many of the U.S.’s allies – to be the victim of American intransigence, even aggression.”
Jim Lobe
Also of interest, Re War criminals…
KARMA Rising….
An international campaign to boycott Israeli settlement products has rapidly turned from a distant nuisance into a harsh economic reality for Israeli farmers in the West Bank’s Jordan Valley.
The export-driven income of growers in the valley’s 21 settlements dropped by more than 14 percent, or $29 million, last year, largely because Western European supermarket chains, particularly those in Britain and Scandinavia, are increasingly shunning the area’s peppers, dates, grapes and fresh herbs, settlers say.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/israeli-settlement-international.html
A sick society, especially Amerika.
The Black Rhinoceros is in danger of becoming extinct due to poaching and loss of habitat. There are said to be less than a thousand in existence.
What does the ‘Dallas Safari Club’ do to aid these beautiful survivors? Put up a permit to shoot one of them for auction to the highest bidder.
The rhino is question is said to be old and dangerous. I know of many war criminals and killers to whom that description applies.
The successful bidder is now receiving death threats. How apposite.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hunter-corey-knowlton-responds-to-backlash-over-350000-auction-to-kill-black-rhino-9064111.html
Corey Knowlton is pictured….. I’ve got a high powered rifle and I must kill, kill, kill, kill,……………………….
A PS What revolting people. They boast of their kills. They have Tajikistan, Russian and Romanian representatives. Hunting tourism is obviously big business.
Corey Knowlton is here.
http://www.huntingconsortium.com/theteam.htm
The latest revelation from Edward Snowden is that the NSA have created Dishfire which allows access by the UK security services.
Edward Snowden: British spies can look at text messages picked up in secret operation by US spooks
Jan 16, 2014 19:04
America’s National Security Agency has created a secret database called Dishfire which stores messages for future use
[..]
British spies are able to look at texts scooped up in a secret operation which collects hundreds of millions of messages, former US spy Edward Snowden claims.
America’s National Security Agency (NSA) has created a secret database called Dishfire which stores messages for future use and British spies, who face tough British laws, have been given a back door to exploit that information, it was claimed.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edward-snowden-british-spies-can-3029993
The gangsters-in-charge are still laughing in our faces.
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Edward Snowden is joining the board of the Freedom of the Press Foundation next month.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/14/edward-snowden-freedom-press-foundation-board
Good morning, night-owls and early-birds, may the sun shine today!
@Mary
Edward Snowden is joining the board of the Freedom of the Press Foundation next month.
And he is now in a country where Freedom of the Press is much more of an issue than it was in his previous home – so we look forward to him raising the issue there. Don’t hold your breath however!
@ BrianFujisan,
Occasionally I find little gems online.
Like, ‘Resistance is not an equitable tug-of-war between good and bad, light and darkness; it’s a desperate push against an imbalance to force equity.’
LINK
Compared to the mind-numbing hasbara manure, that is rather refreshing.
@ ESLO
“Habba isn’t here yet”
Here I am! Sorry to see that Komodo accused you of being me, but you probably know by now that the Eminences are in the habit of accusing people with whom they disagree of being Habbabkuk. It’s a cheap tactic, but of course much easier than actually engaging with the argument, and a comforting way of denying to oneself that there is more than one person on this blog who doesn’t swallow all of the guff posted here.
“I have no gripe with Craig”
That is good. Nor do I – and more importantly, I have no reason to believe that Craig Murray has a gripe with me. That’s probably because his IQ, knowledge and experience is of a rather higher order than those of many of his “supporters”.
Much that is of interest here. And the stylistic similarity between your, ESLO’s and even Anon’s posts suggests community if not identity. It was a genuine mistake, and I suggest that your collective tendency to behave like clones explains it fully.
Perhaps you would get a more sympathetic hearing for your criticism of just about everything not posted by your cronies, if you avoided denigrating your targets with ad-hominems such as the one in bold above.
You asked earlier: “How exactly would you define the “spirit of the discussion”?”
So many questions. But I’ll give you my definition, until you showed up…
By and large friendly give-and-take among a group of people with loosely similar political sympathies, in which malicious interventions by disruptive posters were deprecated.
If you object to our views, you will be far more at home at order-order.com. If indeed you don’t run it.
Unlike Chelsea Manning who was sentenced to 35 years’ confinement and who is now in Fort Leavenworth, Texas, a military prison, Edward Snowden can breathe fresh air and see the sky.
Chelsea has been given the Sam Adams Award which Craig won 1in 2005 as I said before.
Three cheers for a brave human.
http://warisacrime.org/content/chelsea-manning-awarded-sam-adams-integrity-prize-2014
How many more years are you going to incarcerate him Obomber? Longer than those poor souls you are still holding at Guantanamo?
Remember Julian too, atill a prisoner of Mrs May and the ConDems.
Of course, Craig, the problem remains moderation. Would it be too much of an infringement of your philosophy to insist that comments remain clearly on-topic, and that if they are not, they are deleted? I think that might solve a number of issues.
Now can we all talk about Blair? Or STFU? Thanks.
@Daniel Rich
“Time to shut up about antisemitism.”
Will only be too glad to oblige when you and your friends stop spouting it – but until that happy day I regard it as public duty to oppose it and other forms of bigotry.