Cameron’s Prime Aberdeen Angus Bullshit 158

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David Cameron is peddling bullshit of the premium Aberdeen Angus kind today.  At today’s oil prices, recoverable North Sea oil is worth a minimum of 1.2 trillion and a maximum of 2.4 trillion dollars.   Cameron is claiming that potential will not be released without government subsidy of 24 billion dollars, and that only the UK government’s “broad shoulders” can raise this.

It is nauseous to dive into such bulllshit to analyse it.  To knock a few noughts off, Cameron is saying that it is impossible to raise £10 investment if you have a guaranteed return of £5,000 and possibly £10,000.  Salmond’s counter that Norway manages these things is perfectly valid.

Am I the only one who wonders why the taxpayer, under Cameron’s plan, the taxpayer – ie you and me – should fund $20 billion to decommission oil platforms when the oil companies made, at today’s values, over $400 billion in straight profit from those platforms?  That payment to the oil companies constitutes 83% of the money from the UK which Cameron claims an independent Scotland would miss out on.  The money would not actually go to Scotland at all – it would go to British Gas, BP, Shell, Exxon and other such needy people, to compensate them for polluting us (sic!).

Finally, the taxation revenue to Scotland from the oil and gas after independence will be a minimum of $240 billion and a maximum of $500 billion more to the Scottish taxpayer if Scotland were independent, than the share Scotland will get within the UK.  Purely in terms of government revenue, Scotland will still be at least US 216 billion better off in taxes even if it pays the precious 24 billion Cameron is harping on about today.

Finally, the Cabinet is in Aberdeen and discussing vital revenue and investment questions, but where are they hiding George Osborne?  Have they hidden him behind a curtain with a bucket on his head?  Come on, we want George! Bring out your Family Trust Fund Public Schoolboys!!

 

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158 thoughts on “Cameron’s Prime Aberdeen Angus Bullshit”

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  • A Node

    “No. I think people who don’t see the media saying what they want them to say decide they must be biassed on both sides.”

    Do you think any of our media is biassed, either way, on the subject of Scottish Independence?

  • fred

    “Do you think any of our media is biassed, either way, on the subject of Scottish Independence?”

    Fred MacAulay is a bit one sided.

  • gerry parker

    Been to a couple of events in medium sized central belt towns. Yes campaigners seem to be more numerous and more enthusiastic about their cause. I’ve a feeling that this will be won by talking to people on the streets and on doorsteps, the MSM and their scare stories are getting treated with contempt by the voters I’ve been in contact with.

  • half the fules can sleep

    It would be nice to know more about:

    1) revenue
    2) expenditure
    3) maritime borders
    4) share of UK debt (if any)
    5) currency
    6) whether Scotland could be outside the UK yet share the pound
    7) whether Scotland could be outside the EU yet share the Euro and how other nations such as Monaco get to do this
    8) political idealism in Scotland
    9) whether there might be a revival of business for border reivers, and
    10) whether there might be a section of the conservative party which might not be quite as unionist as it appears.

    Oh and what do Jardine Matheson think about the referendum?

  • A Node

    “Fred MacAulay is a bit one sided.”

    That was wasted on me – I don’t listen to Radio Scotland and I don’t know which side he’s on. I’ve spent half an hour trying to Google the answer. Had I succeeded, I had a two-Fred joke ready for either eventuality. I failed. Now I feel sad and superficial. Life has turned sour. I don’t want to continue this conversation. Sorry.

  • GutterTheQuantifier

    For goodness sake. How can you tossers get so worked up about this trivia at a time when a fascist coup d’etat is underway in the biggest country in Europe?

  • Jay

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/04/salm-d04.html

    “They must seek instead to overthrow the British capitalist class and its governments in London, Edinburgh and Brussels, as part of a struggle for a workers’ government within the United Socialist States of Europe.”

    Sounds like a plan.
    Why can’t the capitalist class and the workers unite to create and build for the future
    What about the Levellers- show me what to do, as long as the conditions are favourable it can be done.

    Tax havens hey that’s the first step. Make them pay. If we can’t do that there’s no hope.
    If they won’t get that in parliament then it’s gotta change.

    Hey Salmond, what about tax havens?

  • Kempe

    “How can you tossers get so worked up about this trivia at a time when a fascist coup d’etat is underway in the biggest country in Europe?”

    Never fear, purely out of the kindness of his heart that nice Mr Putin is about to send several Russian armoured divisions over the border to protect Ukraine’s liberty and guarantee the freedom of it’s people.

  • BrianFujisan

    With Regards Racism in Scotland….

    i have lived in Scotland all my life..and in 50 years only once have i encountered real racism ( or possibly more likely – Manufactured by the MSM – racism )

    it was in a pub in Gourock…the Heavy rock, and Goth crew were out in force… my friends were smiling and then said ” looks like you have pulled “… i turned round to check out who they were yapping on about… to find this cretin ( dressed in Normal every day Garb – important to note) looking at me… first thing she says is… ” have you got cancer ” No… ” are you looking for attention ” Eh wtf No ” well if you go outside dressed like that you’ll get yir head kicked in ” you fkn think so… one of my friends felt compelled to take the bitch aside to tell her this would be a Bad idea…. and How was i dressed – Amid all the Leather, tatoos, piercings, – i had a dessert Scarf around my head, and hanging down my back.

    Re Ukraine…

    In western Ukraine the only organized and armed force is the ultra-nationalist Right Sector. From the way this group’s leaders speak, they assume that they are in charge.

    One of the group’s leaders, Aleksandr Muzychko, has pledged to fight against “Jews and Russians until I die.” Asserting the Right Sector’s authority over the situation, Muzychko declared that now that the democratically elected government has been overthrown, “there will be order and discipline” or “Right Sector squads will shoot the bastards on the spot.”

    The bastards are any protesters who dare to protest the Right Sector’s control.

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts over @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/democracy-murdered-by-protest-ukraine-falls-to-intrigue-and-violence/5370317

  • Brendan

    I am in two minds. There are serious questions regarding how Scottish Independence might work. However, that idiot David Cameron isn’t the man to pose those questions, because he a dolt, and a tit.

    Myself, I live in Oz, and this may possibly be permanent. I’m not so bothered about independence, and remain of the view that the devolved parliament is recognition enough of our unique status. I’m generally way about nationalism, which is always great fodder for the far right. I also think there are bigger issues in the world than our independence, so remain basically indifferent to the referendum.

    Basically, I’ve no stake in this game. However, it has been interesting how hard the establishment is fighting. One wonders, truly, if they are worried about potential lost revenues. If so, will they will admit that Scotland has always subsidised the rest of the UK? They’ve always claimed the opposite. So, the routine warnings, dishonesty, threats, and bullshit are, for me, somewhat revealing, if accidentally.

    Anyway, I have rather formed the view that if the vote is a close call, the result will be rigged. 1.2 trillion is a big incentive, isn’t it? So I suspect the discussion will be rendered moot.

  • Mary

    Agent Cameron fresh from Aberdeen will host the British Winter Olympics team at Downing Street today. He follows Blair’s style so closely but fails to convince like the psychopath Blair.

    His Aberdeen adventure went down like a lead balloon in the media.

  • Mary

    Germany’s atonement for WW11 continues.

    Germany to represent Israel in Islamic countries
    24 February 2014

    The German Chancellor Angela Merkel and her cabinet will visit Israel on Monday for two days.

    Germany and Israel are today due to sign an agreement allowing Germany to represent Israel’s diplomatic and consular relations in countries where Israel has no embassy especially in Muslim countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia; German Der Spiegel newspaper reported.

    The newspaper quoted a statement by the Israeli Embassy in Berlin saying the agreement promotes relations between the two sides and allows Germany to represent Israel’s consular affairs in countries where Israel has no embassy. Der Spiegel also quoted the Israeli ambassador in Berlin Yakov Hadas-Handelsman as saying the German offer represents a special message from Germany and reflects its global status.

    The German Chancellor Angela Merkel and her cabinet will visit Israel on Monday for two days. The delegation will participate in the annual German-Israeli joint cabinet session which started in 2008 to develop strategic partnerships between the two sides on various fields; mainly youth exchange projects and scientific cooperation.

    The meetings boost relations between the two sides and make Israel on par with France, Spain, Italy and Russia, which hold joint cabinet meetings with Germany.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/europe/9933-germany-to-represent-israel-in-islamic-countries

    ~~~

    Someone should tell her that she is overdoing it. The Dolfin submarines were sufficient.

    She comes to London next and will get the full red carpet treatment unlike Hollande who only got a pub lunch with Agent CameraOn.

    CameraOn has a plan.
    http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/politics/9142072/only-angela-merkel-can-save-cameron-now/

  • fred

    ” If so, will they will admit that Scotland has always subsidised the rest of the UK?”

    How do you work that one out then?

  • Ba'al Zevul (Etc)

    ‘They’re so tolerant you can walk into any Unionist pub in Glasgow and have to start singing The Sash My Father Wore.’

    FIFY.

    You just need to know the right songs for the occasion.

    (Nobody likes me. I don’t care)

  • guano

    Mark
    ‘Likewise Cameron’s plan for hydraulic fracturing does not cost-in decommissioning of wells and protection of groudwater from migrating contaminates leaking through fractures caused by explosives, hydraulic pressure and natural cracks, fissures and interconnecting pore spaces.’

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/993757.stm

    No conceivable risk.

  • Ba'al Zevul (Etc)

    Noodge Fusiliers – excellent catch, and good to see more interest in JTRIG. Also very depressing, but there is one ray of brightness: the organisation seems to have been thoroughly infiltrated by management bollocks, so its chief target may well be Dilbert. Only if the seedy agents have not had to sit through hours of that sort of PP presentation will they be remotely effective. If they have, they’ve probably decided Al-Qaeda is right about Western civilisation, and joined.

    And see:

    http://www.powerpointninja.com/for-fun/dilbert-on-powerpoint-presentations/

  • fred

    “P&J poll: 500 people in its (mostly rural) circulation area. Pmsl.”

    So the opinions of rural people don’t matter to the Nationalists then.

  • fred

    “Am I the only one who wonders why the taxpayer, under Cameron’s plan, the taxpayer – ie you and me – should fund $20 billion to decommission oil platforms when the oil companies made, at today’s values, over $400 billion in straight profit from those platforms? ”

    The money the oil companies pay in taxes is not the only consideration. There is also the money they pay in wages to the oil workers. As well as paying tax on their wages the workers spend their money in the shops and hostelries thus providing an income for many more people. They buy houses they otherwise couldn’t afford providing work for the building industry then they pay council tax on them.

    With the decline of the fishing industry the oil industry has provided work for a lot of people in rural Scotland who otherwise would be on benefits or forced to move elsewhere.

    Too much of the Nationalist argument is about avarice and not enough about people.

  • Ba'al Zevul (Etc)

    ‘So the opinions of rural people don’t matter to the Nationalists then.’

    No. The opinions of the rural North of Scotland are not necessarily those of Scotland as a whole, is all. Also, the survey population is too small to be meaningful, and we have no information on the – hopefully random – distribution of the sample. Which should include representation from both the SNP heartland around the Moray Firth and Liberal and Labour centres like Argyll and Fort William respectively. The ICM polls are much more likely to be realistic.

    Sorry to spoil your cheap shot, but let’s get it straight.

  • fred

    “No. The opinions of the rural North of Scotland are not necessarily those of Scotland as a whole, is all.”

    By Scotland as a whole I take it you mean Edinburgh and Glasgow not the 94% of Scotland which is rural.

  • Ba'al Zevul (Etc)

    ‘By Scotland as a whole I take it you mean Edinburgh and Glasgow not the 94% of Scotland which is rural.’

    I don’t believe heather moorland has a vote, much as Better together would like it to. Just 18% of the human population lives in rural areas.

    Inform yourself here –
    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2011/09/29133747/2

    These figures do not include rabbits and deer.

  • Colink

    80% of those polled by P & J stated their preference had not changed in the past 6 months. Clearly a rigged poll or did they accidentally fall over these no voters?

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