One of my oldest and dearest friends has gone public on his support for Scottish Independence. I am greatly cheered by this. More thoughts later.
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It says a lot about you that you are so hopelessly bound up in obsessing about Jews and Israel that you feel anyone disagreeing with you must be comparable to some extreme Zionist American-Israeli fanatic you found on the internet (your search, not mine).
Who’s obsessing? I didn’t even use the word ‘Zionist’…earlier you said –
Look at the way you try to bypass and excuse. Can you imagine a site that was pro-Zionist being let off so easily?
Your criticism was of the Ugly Truth site, which I don’t feel inclined to defend or excuse. My instance demonstrated that extremists can be found anywhere – didn’t have to look that hard, btw. Adina is merely punting the (very popular in the US) Glenn Beck /Pat Robertson line. She’s not very far off the US Religious Right wall at all.
… “some extreme Zionist American-Israeli fanatic”? I think not. Pretty well aligned with Elliot Abrams,and Perle, and Gaffney, in fact.
I still think you’d be more at home with her. Perhaps, using the persuasive techniques you deploy with such enthusiasm here, you and Habbanon would be able to bring her back to the paths of Tebbitist righteousness? Or would that be too far Left an objective? Worth a shot, anyway.
Thing is though, Putin has been taking on much bigger game than himself over the past few years and winning every time.
Scholey is a fat old bloke who fluffed it when leadership was required:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2002/jun/09/theobserver.observerbusiness13
Obama’s armada will soon find itself wrecked upon the rocks. Another less than glorious failure of western leadership:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-070414.html
Let’s just hope we get to see these gangsters put on trial for their crimes against humanity.
How much more execrable can these Tory types become? A fine exemplar of the species. He looks more and more like Harry Enfield’s version of Tory Boy.
‘Loads of hot sex’: Michael Gove on why young business people come to London
Education Secretary made the analysis during meeting to discuss attracting more young entrepreneurs to London with head of Tech City
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/loads-of-hot-sex-michael-gove-on-why-young-business-people-come-to-london-9242144.html
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Tory Boy was a character in a sketch by comedian Harry Enfield which portrayed a young, male, Conservative MP. The term has since been used as a caricature of young Conservative MPs. The Characteristic “Tory Boy” was a young right-wing Conservative member of the Federation of Conservative Students. The Tory Boy stereotype of a young Conservative MP has damaged some politicians. William Hague struggled to shake off the stereotype and was often ridiculed for it. Recently it has been argued that the Conservative Future has managed to change its image. Tory Boy was a repulsive fifteen-year-old with glaringly out-of-date ideas about the world, based on a cross between a snobbish, unpopular boy who went to school with Enfield, and a younger version of Hague. Enfield also claimed to have mixed more recent Conservative politicians as Michael Howard and Michael Portillo together in the character, on the allegation that they were “Tory Boys who have never grown up.”
In Enfield’s 1997 Christmas Special, some months after Labour’s landslide victory in the UK General Election, a sketch included Tory Boy’s left-wing father wishing that his son would join the Labour Party. The fairy at the top of their Christmas tree grants his wish and with her magic wand she transforms Tory Boy into “Tony Boy” (a parody of Tony Blair).
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This is my current obsession. Blair.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10747166/Tony-Blair-knew-all-about-CIA-secret-kidnap-programme.html
Looks like the deniability has run out for Tone.
The claims against Mr Blair come as the US Senate voted this week to declassify a summary of a 6,300-page report into the CIA’s rendition programme in a move that legal experts say will put added pressure on the British government to come clean about its role.
Senator Dianne Feinstein, the Democrat chairman of the committee that conducted the research, said the “shocking” report had “uncovered the facts” behind the secret programme and could be made public within 30 days following a security review by the White House and the CIA.
As well as the continuing criminal investigation, the British government, MI6 and Mr Straw are being sued by Mr Belhadj. In an exclusive interview with The Telegraph this week, Mr Belhadj said he was determined to pursue the British government through the courts for an apology and the truth about what happened to him – and what senior figures such as Mr Blair knew about it.
“When he was sitting in the tent with the dictator Gaddafi, I was facing torture at the hands of my own country’s [intelligence] services,” Mr Belhadj said by phone from Tripoli, referring to Mr Blair’s meeting with the Libyan leader in March 2004.
Mr Blair has never confirmed what he knew about the rendition programme, but has argued that Libya played a vital role in the “war on terror”. Mr Belhadj’s case was thrown out last December by a High Court judge who acknowledged that he had a “well-founded claim”, but declined to hear it, citing British government legal arguments that it would seriously damage US-UK relations.
More from the school playground.
‘Anon
7 Apr, 2014 – 10:17 am
Habbabkuk 8:14am
He’s such a pseud I’m calling him Benjamin Zephaniah from now on.’
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That referred to Ben who can knock him + his mates into a cocked hat.
I hust spotted this comment on a piece on ICH about BLiar and Straw knowing all about the CIA rendition and torture programme post 9/11 from the beginning.
Paul Barbara · 9 hours ago
..’Straw told the House of Commons there was ‘simply no truth’ in claims that the UK was involved in rendition, branding them ‘conspiracy theories’.. What a sick puppy! Conspiracy Theory! What all these War Criminal perps bleat when they can’t stand the truth.
I suppose it was a ‘Conspiracy Theory’ when you caused the sacking (and probably nearly the death) of Craig Murray, the ex-British Ambassador to Uzbekistan when he refused to keep quiet about the Uzbeks boiling priisoners alive; Straw wanted him to shut up about it, ‘cos he didn’t want to upset the Yanks, who had two bases there.
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The piece is:
Tony Blair ‘Knew All About CIA Secret Kidnap Programme’
Former British PM was ‘fully briefed’ on CIA’s interrogation programme after Sept 11 attacks
By Peter Foster
April 06, 2014 “Information Clearing House – “The Telegraph” – – Tony Blair knew in detail about the CIA’s secret kidnap and interrogation programme after the September 11 attacks and was kept informed “every step of the way” by MI6, a security source has told The Telegraph.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38146.htm
Syria crisis: failure to intervene will have terrible consequences, says Blair
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/07/syria-failure-intervene-terrible-consequences-blair
Think you’ll find, Tone, that intervening by arming the Islamist rebels who hijacked a peaceful protest has already brought terrible consequences to Syria. Though I am in some doubt as to your definition of ‘terrible’.
If “we” had not invaded Iraq, it would now be enduring what Syria is going through, he says. He must have finally given up on the WMD’s and be on non-prescription medication. Saddam’s Iraq, though nasty, was not about to have a civil war.
Same story – different spin:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10749330/Invading-Iraq-prevented-Syria-like-civil-war-claims-Tony-Blair.html
See my post @11.43, Mary.
“Let’s just hope we get to see these gangsters put on trial for their crimes against humanity.”
That hope is definitely trumped by the hope that the current pissing contest doesn’t turn into a shooting war. And on current form (see Blair’s belligerent ramblings above) those responsible will almost certainly become multimillionaires within days of leaving office. And their poodles will continue yapping.
Sorry Ba’al Zevul. I missed it. I am inclined not to read back in case any nasty doggie dos have been left for me by U No Who!
I expect you heard that BLiar is with Kagame lighting some flame.
Both the Observer and ZBC have allowed BLiar to spout forth this weekend.
I posted the Observer piece here yesterday. Comments by the hundred have been removed. This comment was there this morning but has probably been removed by now.
This morning he was given time by Humphrys on Radio 4 Today.
Blair: Rwandan genocide was ‘preventable’
Former Prime Minister Tony Blair speaks to John Humphrys on the 20th anniversary of the country’s genocide.
http://audioboo.fm/boos/2053553-blair-rwandan-genocide-was-preventable
One of my friends heard him (I didn’t) and agreed with another who had said:
‘ “many of those who committed the genocide are still at large.” Quite.’
‘Quite indeed – and one of them was on Today five mins ago, I nearly threw up my orange juice. TB as brazen as ever, not an apology in sight. “Regime change is not a solution it is a beginning” or some such garbage. No apologies for the blood letting, slaughter, trauma, infanticide, on going genocide of Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan – cheering on more in Syria (only heard half so don’t know if he went in to that.) And he walks – and flies freely round the planet.
Iraq: 5 million orphans, one million widows, 5 million displaced, 1.5 million dead, though Gideon Polya (who has made meticulous studies of deaths in conflicts from 1950) says now 2 million since 2003. That is without the embargo figures’.
Sorry Ba’al Zevul. I missed it. I am inclined not to read back in case any nasty doggie dos have been left for me by U No Who!
Hmm.
(1) WTF? Looks like the terrorists have won, then.
(2) Habbabreak.
Ba’al, Mary, concerning the Blair article. The Jack Straw quote at the end is telling.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38146.htm
“A spokesman for Mr Blair said on Saturday night that he was travelling in Africa and not available for comment. In 2005, Mr Straw told the House of Commons there was ‘simply no truth’ in claims that the UK was involved in rendition, branding them ‘conspiracy theories’.”
Now where have I heard that before, people who tell the truth being labelled conspiracy theorists. This will very soon be well-acknowledged badge to wear. Wear it with pride!
Wonder if those going for the ‘hot sex’ in Tech City being promoted by Poison Gove know of these statistics.
http://www.chlamydiascreening.nhs.uk/
Note that the incidence is increasing and that infertility in women is a side effect if chlamydia is untreated.
New HIV diagnoses and number of persons accessing HIV care in the United Kingdom
Produced September 2013
http://www.hpa.org.uk/webc/HPAwebFile/HPAweb_C/1317139920261
Never mind. Mr Hunt’s new improved NHS can pick up the bills.
Quite John. And every time I watch ‘Parliament’ someone seems to making nice comments about Straw. Wait until he leaves and there will be services of thanksgiving for his noble work for his country.
His oppo, the consummate ac-tor in Kigali earlier today.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74081000/jpg/_74081346_74079956.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-26917419
Komodo, the only person who has posted a link to that site is you. You then a proceed to make a big fuss about it as if I’m an avid reader and fan of a site I’ve never even heard of. It’s these sorts of imaginary straw man battles in cyberspace that make me think you’ve had enough internet for the time being and ought to book yourself into a retreat pronto, preferably as far away from a broadband connection as possible.
Re ‘The Ugly Truth’, a link was posted by Mary and I pointed out that it was to an anti-Semitic hate site and she shouldn’t be posting links to it here. You then go off on some inexplicable tangent about right-wing American Zionists and Lord Tebbit (?). If you are have become so deranged that you cannot accept a simple and justified criticism of Mary’s linking to an anti-Semitic website without dreaming up all sorts of crap about the Zionist sympathies of the person making it then, again, I would suggest you take a break from your computer and attempt to reacquaint yourself with reality.
Anon, how did you find your link that portrays The Ugly Truth site in the worst possible light? Will you acknowledge that you exaggerated about the anti-Jewish material there, and that the site hosts anti-Jobbik and anti Ku Klux Klan articles, too?
Anon Cease your attempted blackening of my name, by association. I have already told you of the link’s provenance. Shame on you and your kind here.
Syria revisited; Sy Hersh. Good stuff
http://www.lrb.co.uk/2014/04/06/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
“The American decision to end CIA support of the weapons shipments into Syria left Erdoğan exposed politically and militarily. ‘One of the issues at that May summit was the fact that Turkey is the only avenue to supply the rebels in Syria,’ the former intelligence official said. ‘It can’t come through Jordan because the terrain in the south is wide open and the Syrians are all over it. And it can’t come through the valleys and hills of Lebanon – you can’t be sure who you’d meet on the other side.’ Without US military support for the rebels, the former intelligence official said, ‘Erdoğan’s dream of having a client state in Syria is evaporating and he thinks we’re the reason why. When Syria wins the war, he knows the rebels are just as likely to turn on him – where else can they go? So now he will have thousands of radicals in his backyard.’
Charity ‘brawl’….lol
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2598501/New-Yorks-finest-brawl-annual-Fire-Department-versus-NYPD-charity-hockey-game.html
Komodo, the only person who has posted a link to that site is you. You then a proceed to make a big fuss about it as if I’m an avid reader and fan of a site I’ve never even heard of. It’s these sorts of imaginary straw man battles in cyberspace that make me think you’ve had enough internet for the time being and ought to book yourself into a retreat pronto, preferably as far away from a broadband connection as possible.
Now take a deep breath and count to 357,000. Slowly. “Komodo” didn’t post a link to that site. Ever. Check it out.
Talking of straw men, have you anything to say on the thread topic? Ever?
Keep counting.
More about Seymour Hersh’s new revelations;
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2014/04/hersh-turkey-behind-sarin-attack-in-syria.html#comments
Macky; I never thought I would say this, but I’m glad Obama is caution ‘squared’. He wears suspenders and belts for his pants and garters on his socks. His reticence to go beyond rhetoric on the Red Line probably saved us from some nasty contraindications.
@Ben, maybe his drone operators will be also get to be caution ‘squared’;
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/06/artists-install-massive-poster-of-childs-face-in-pakistan-field-to-shame-drone-operators/
Chris Hedges on “Israel’s War on American Universities”
by The Real News Network (TRNN) / April 6th, 2014
Excerpts from author, foreign correspondent Chris Hedges’ talk at Northeastern University in support of its now banned Students for Justice in Palestine chapter. [Hedges is at his best — DV editor]
http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/04/chris-hedges-on-israels-war-on-american-universities/
Compelling. Do listen
Macky; Drones are his caution. Fewer allied troops equals fewer casualties returning home in caskets for the evening news.
Remote warfare has always taken the human face off of War. There’s a big difference between killing someone in hand-to-hand combat and firing an M4 from 300 yards or dropping bombs from aircraft.
War is only Hell for the recipient when the drones fly.
Two You-Couldn’t-Make-It-Up items on the Ukraine;
EU begs Russia to bail out the Ukraine
http://news.antiwar.com/2014/04/06/eu-warns-russia-faces-failed-state-neighbor-in-ukraine/
Ukraine refuses to pay market rate for Russia Gas
http://news.antiwar.com/2014/04/06/ukraine-refuses-to-pay-for-gas-from-russia/
Clark 7 Apr, 2014 – 2:55 pm
There’s a ‘search this site’ box on the home page, Clark. He searched for ‘holocaust’ and posted a link to the results page.
“War is only Hell for the recipient when the drones fly”
True is the literal sense Ben, but I did recently read two surreal reports about drone operators, one was about their “bravery” being ackownledged by being awarded medals (!), and the other report was about the PTS that they also suffer.
Mackie
Seymour Hersh’s revelations about the sarin attack have the ring of truth about them, but not ALL of the truth. His account puts the blame on Turkey, that they acted autonomously, that they manipulated Obama.
This doesn’t square with the way Obama first declared his “red line.” At the time, it seemed very likely to many on this blog including me that Obama’s declaration was specifically designed as the first step in a planned sequence which would result in the USA having the excuse to attack Syria. And indeed that’s what very nearly panned out.
I can’t accept that Obama’s declaration and Turkey’s false flag activities just fortuitously contributed to the accomplishment of the same goal.
A Node; I think you give Obama too much credit. He plays his games but he is also being played.
He often makes good copy with sound-bytes like “We will be the most transparent Administration….”
Someone had other plans and a little bird whispers in his ear. He might think he’s playing 3-D chess, but the game is more like 3-D HD.