One of my oldest and dearest friends has gone public on his support for Scottish Independence. I am greatly cheered by this. More thoughts later.
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Fred,
below the cut and pasted quote there is the link to the article.
Since you are probably not Scots and definitely not from the area, you’ve now become a local zero in my humble opinion.
“Dounreay was chosen chiefly because of the assumed risk that, in the event of a catastrophic control system failure leading to core meltdown, a release of radioactivity to the environment was a likely consequence. This would result in the necessary evacuation of people living in the vicinity of the reactor, possibly within a radius of a few miles. The population density around Dounreay was very low, lower than that of West Cumbria. If it hadn’t been, the fast reactor would have certainly gone to Windscale. To its credit, the UKAEA has never made any secret of its prime reason for coming to Caithness.
From the outset the authorities had sought to allay public fears about the fast reactor. Immediately after the Government’s announcement about Dounreay, Sir David Robertson, the charismatic MP for Caithness and Sutherland had addressed a packed meeting in Thurso’s Miller Calder Hall. Sir David’s speech is a masterpiece of tub-thumping triumphalism, in which he stated, with some justification, that had he not been the area’s MP the fast reactor project would never have come to Caithness. These far from modest claims were endorsed by his platform partners, Brigadier Keith Murray, Convener of Caithness County Council, and John Sinclair, Thurso’s Provost. John Sinclair advised the audience to continue eating fish, which would not be affected by the small amount of radioactivity discharged to the sea from Dounreay. He had personally sought the opinion of an expert who had studied data from surveys of the marine environment around Windscale, Sir David Robertson also promised to ensure that full compensation would be paid to anyone whose property or activities were adversely affected by the fast reactor. Reassuring words from well-respected public figures who had done everything in their power to ensure that the fast reactor came to Caithness. But when someone asked whether, given his assurances as to the reactor’s safety, Sir David would exchange his London house for a croft at Buldoo, the audience’s nervous laughter betrayed a still lurking sense of apprehension.
Early in April 1954, the Scottish Trade Union Congress, meeting at Aberdeen, passed a motion calling for the outlawing of the hydrogen bomb in particular, and atomic weapons in general. One delegate warned that Dounreay would be a potential atom bomb; another asked what would happen if the reactor got out of control. A week later the Caithness Courier started a series of articles drawing its readers attention to an HMSO publication entitled Britain’s Atomic Factories. This booklet contained information on the discharge of liquid radioactive effluent from Windscale, concluding that no concentrations of radioactive contamination had been detected so far, and in Dounreay’s case, effluent would quickly disperse in the swift running waters of the Pentland Firth. The book also declared that while danger did exist, workers in the nuclear plants were better protected than in any other industry, a statement which, arguably, remains true today. Whether or not these learned articles had any pacific effect on local fears is uncertain. To any half-decent public relations officer, faith in a known and respected local person would have seemed a better bet.
When Donald Carmichael arrived in Caithness in the summer of 1954, his prime mission appears to have been the recruitment of suitable staff for the fast reactor project. For weeks he journeyed all over the North, interviewing, assessing, sounding out likely candidates, relying on the contacts he had made as wartime officer in charge of shore radio stations in the northern highlands. From Tongue to Golspie he scoured the country, driven by Rab Murray whose father had owned a lemonade factory in Shore Street, Thurso, until the early 1950s’ when failure to keep pace with mechanised production methods had led to its closure. Rab was later to become one of the first two Dounreay transport drivers. ”
http://www.internet-promotions.co.uk/archives/dounreay/doun3.htm
“Sorry Fred , but you’re full of it!!”
Well now I ignored your personal insults in your previous post.
This time I’ll just tell you straight, I tell it how it is from first hand knowledge. If the truth doesn’t match your propaganda that’s your problem.
Next time I will feel justified in responding in kind.
Hi Fred
there is an easy way to settle that.
Is it pawldies or is it peevers ?
“This booklet contained information on the discharge of liquid radioactive effluent from Windscale, concluding that no concentrations of radioactive contamination had been detected so far ….”
If that was true then, it isn’t now.
http://www.corecumbria.co.uk/tour/irishsea.htm
“below the cut and pasted quote there is the link to the article.
Since you are probably not Scots and definitely not from the area, you’ve now become a local zero in my humble opinion.”
Well shit for brains you just posted a load of stuff confirming a lot of what I said and contradicting none of it.
So as you are the one madly googling while I’m speaking from personal experience I don’t think your humble opinion is worth a shit.
Your Nationalist bully boy tactics are not going to work on me so go fuck yourself retard.
DoNNyDarKo 28 Mar, 2014 – 3:25 pm
I’m born and bred in the Highlands and I don’t have a clue what your talking about. Leave out the anti-English comments, please.
@Ba’al Zevul, So you have gone from bolding asserting that Galloway was “being paid by foreign media to advance the propaganda of foreign countries”, as if some sort of traitorous fifth columnist, to then accepting that the views he broadcasts are his own, but still claiming that he was advancing an Iranian agenda, either directly or inadvertently; when it’s pointed out to you that ardent Zionists are also paid to appear on PTV, you downplay this inconvenient fact that runs contra to your charge of PTV only employing pro-Iranian propagandists, as irrelevant “tokenism”, and try to defend your wandering, and increasing weakening, attempt to smear him, by stating that your point all along, from the beginning, was that as an MP, “he has a clear responsibility to his constituents, within the context of their being British citizens” & “he doesn’t seem to make this his priority”.
So your charge really seems to be that as an MP, he doesn’t devote enough attention to his constituents, because of his attention to World affairs. So what does he track record show ?
His serving as an MP in Glasgow for 18 years straight years, winning election after election, would tend to indicate that his constituents there appear to have no complaints about his service to them;
“The George Galloway that the people of Glasgow say they know is quite different from the showy Commons performer and Labour party irritant. In Glasgow he is regarded simply as a fixer: a pensioners’ bus service; an asylum seeker’s complaint – the bread and butter of British politics.
“People have this idea of George as the MP for the West Bank and not the west end of Glasgow and it’s not true,” said the constituency chairman, Mark Craig.
One senior Westminster politician tells of an elderly widowed aunt who lives in Galloway’s constituency and became the target of vandals. She wrote to her MP, without mentioning her political link, to ask for help. “He got in touch with the chief constable who put a police car in front of her house for three days,” the MP said yesterday. “Although she is a west of Scotland Tory lady, my aunt thinks George Galloway walks on water.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/apr/23/uk.iraq4
After being expelled from the Labour Party, he formed Respect & promptly won a spectacular victory in becoming MP for Bethnal Green and Bow in 2005; an area with a high immigrant population, in which his view & positions on international affairs, were actually an important factor as to why people voted for him; as to local issues, during his time as MP there, his Surgery was one of the busiest in the country, to the extent that at his own expense, he hired people to help out, and was attending the HOC practically everyday, including Bank Holidays, (even X-mas Day !). He didn’t stand again there, as he had already made clear before winning the seat, and instead stood & won his fifth election victory in Bradford West, again another area with a high immigrant population, where his interests in World affairs yet again played a role in his election success.
So it seems that your doubly charge of neglecting his responsibilities to the people who actually voted for him, and concentrating too much on international affairs against their wishes, is not borne out, and the opposite is revealed to be true.
Re your comment to Mary;
“I have wanted to ask you, repeatedly, but usually managed to stop myself, as some wholly irrelevant interjection, usually C&P’d from the MSM, is yet again hurled into the middle of a discussion about something else”
If I could afford to spend the time, I would find your comment address to a Habby, who was repeating this very same objection to Mary’s posts, in which you actually defended her right to do so, and advised him to simply ignore her posts if he didn’t like them; perhaps you should take your own advice.
Guess you never played when you were a kid then A Node. No pavements ?
Why do you think the question is anti-English ?
“Guess you never played when you were a kid then A Node. No pavements ?”
Country boy, mostly played in the woods 🙂
“Why do you think the question is anti-English ?”
I can’t see any other interpretation. Why did you ask it?
“there is an easy way to settle that.
Is it pawldies or is it peevers ?”
Are you calling me a liar as well?
I thought I was the shit for brains retard that had to go and fuck myself?
You are such a tease, Fred. I thought I was special, and now I find out you sweet talk all the boys. 🙁
My mum played peevers, but our thing was pitchy.
“I thought I was the shit for brains retard that had to go and fuck myself?
You are such a tease, Fred. I thought I was special, and now I find out you sweet talk all the boys. :-(”
I try not to put too much effort into flaming people, sort of defeats the object.
Fred,
Rationalist. Thanks,means well
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZs54pOJjB0
For you today.
@Jay
I called my boat Peril.
I get loads of people praying for me.
I guess Fred never did, those early years must have been bleak.
No conkers, no marbles, no hunts, no kick the can, no british bulldogs, no rounders.
No friends, no company, no chance to learn empathy, social interaction, compromise.
Anti-democratic and pro-nuclear contamination amongst the results of such deprivation.
You are all snared by this damaged one, yet must it by now and know it’s futility squared.
@Tony M
Go fuck yourself pathetic little creep.
You hussy, Fred. So that’s my insults finished?
I went and got a box of tissues ready, and all for nothing. 🙁
Israeli Soldier Admits Lying About Being Stabbed
March 28, 2014
The Israeli soldier who was allegedly stabbed yesterday [Thursday, March 27, 2014], has admitted to the police that he made up the story, according to Haaretz.http://www.imemc.org/article/67384
He was probably under orders from his superiors.
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You did not get a reply from Komodo Macky. He’s knocked off the for the weekend probably. I think he is a weekday contributor here if I remember correctly. Little meeting of minds here these days judging from the previous page. If you look back at old CM threads, there was more fun and many more contributors. Where are they now?
If I may make a suggestion about lack of fun on this thread, Mary.
Most threads are theoretical ‘discussions’, but the possibility of Scottish independence is a real event. The vote is happening on September the 18th, and it is a threat to the British State, not just an internet ‘what if’.
Defenders of the British State will do their damnest to dis Indy supporters, and vice-versa.
Mary; “there was more fun and many more contributors. Where are they now?”
The fun has become a casualty of shambolic moderating, past & present, and the neocon friendly position of CM’s Ukraine position, is probably responsible for the departure of many.
“You did not get a reply from Komodo Macky”
I think he was looking for a debate with anybody, even the you know whats, probably why he had a poke at you as well; alas I only managed to free some time in the late afternoon, too late perhaps for very bored lizards !
“The fun has become a casualty of shambolic moderating, past & present, and the neocon friendly position of CM’s Ukraine position, is probably responsible for the departure of many.”
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It’s true that Craig’s posts on Ukraine/Russia/rasPutin et al did cause a sharp intake of breath and a certain tightening of sphincters, resulting in the departure of some. But hey, that’s the danger of the inmates believing, after time, that they own the asylum! 🙂
But don’t worry too much – there are still far more people commenting here than on Mr Goss’s blog. Last time I looked, I couldn’t find a single comment on any one of John’s last half a dozen threads
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La vita è bella, life is good!.
Returning to the topic, remember that?
Is Mr Myles of the Liberal persuasion or of the SDP ilk.
There have obviously been a great deal of so far hardly aired spookery involved in the creation of the SDP, or as it was formerly known as the SDA (NOT the Scottish Development Agency). Its backers, its creators were the usual rogues gallery of US-enslaved right-worshipping subservient NGO’s, that supported and drove Britain’s own colour revolution, it’s Yellow Revolution, must take its place alongside Rose, Orange and other shades of democracy’s undermining. Alongside spadeloads, assisted by the press, of demonisation of the democratic Left in Britain and a few murders along the way, Operation Gladio too wasn’t some japes over on the continent, but was as strong, as evil as operational over here. They might never have formed a government till this bastard Tory/Lib Dem coalition, but certainly delivered the Thatcher governments of ’79 and complete takover of the state by ’83. I always knew Shirley Williams and David Owen were wrong ‘uns but for every rat that left the Labour Party, a greater number remained to form the core of the ultra-reactionary Nu-Labour.
And too, that’ll be Nicol ‘No Surrender’ Stephen, now in the House of Lords, that gallery of crooked, bent crones, after an epic journey from mediocrity through fourth rate to nothingness.
Have a gong for services rendered on hands and knees before empire.
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster67/lob67-atlantic-semantic.pdf
Habbabkuk
‘But don’t worry too much – there are still far more people commenting here than on Mr Goss’s blog…’
At least he has the integrity not to conceal his identity. A person who endlessly sneers and smirks and taunts like you but hides behind the cloak of anonymity is a disreputable coward in my view.
A Node… could never have been an anti English jibe.
It’s a simple wee test that tells which part of Scotland you grew up in.
And you’re a country boy… West country by the sounds of it.
KingOfWelshNoir 9.37pm.
Well said,well said.
Habbabkuk you’re just a pathetic see through troll fake.
Grow an honest pair or just go.
You’re a dishonest broker on this blog Habbabkuk.
Cowardice.
State broadcaster says:
Downing St issues statement denying claim that currency union between UK and an independent Scotland will be agreed
Scottish independence: Currency union comments spark denial
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26791763