I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
I am quite shocked that this aircraft which took off from Prestwick-Glasgow
as Flight UKL4061
seems of NO INTEREST
to the U.K. Authorities.
I wonder when the last occassion an aircraft took off from Prestwick and then apparently crashed with the loss of all on board and its British cargo was of no interest to the U.K.Authorities?
IG update
Shifted Focus of the Indian Ocean Search Region
http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/date/2014/10/04
In Search for Missing Airliner, Peanut Gallery Shows the Way
– OCTOBER 8, 2014
http://jeffwise.net/2014/10/08/in-search-for-missing-airliner-peanut-gallery-shows-the-way/#comments
http://rt.com/news/194324-ukraine-mh17-prefabricated-crash-version/
Kiev security forces try to secure MH17 crash site
Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans has said that one of the 298 people killed in the downing of a Malaysia Airlines plane over eastern Ukraine was found wearing an oxygen mask.
His revelation casts doubt on the theory that all on board died instantly when the plane was hit by a missile!!!!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29548942
Finally we see some credible evidence MH17 had some advance notice.
30mm rounds is looking more likely.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/09/world/europe/malaysia-airlines-crash-oxygen-mask/
The Dutch public prosecutor confirmed the minister’s account, saying that “during the identification process an oxygen mask was indeed found on a victim.”
Report details final moments of MH17 How complicated are Russian missiles? MH17 crash site abandoned amidst war
“The mask was attached around the victim’s neck with an elastic strap. The Netherlands Forensic Institute examined the mask for fingerprints, saliva and DNA, but the results were inconclusive,” the prosecutor’s office said in a statement Thursday.”It is not known how and at what point the mask came to be around the victim’s neck. The passenger’s relatives were informed at the time. None of the other victims recovered were found to be wearing oxygen masks.”
Still going I see !
Thought I’d drop this here, when a man in his position says this ,it really means something:
The chief executive of Emirates has claimed that ‘control was taken of’ Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 before it vanished.
Sir Tim Clark said it was very important that the airline industry does not accept that the fate of MH370 is an ‘unexplained mystery’ His airline, Emirates, operates almost 130 Boeing 777 aircraft, similar to the doomed jet.
“For Sir Tim, there is only one logical conclusion as to what happened to the highly advanced and reliable passenger jet.
‘MH 370 was, in my opinion, under control, probably until the very end.’
He said: ‘My own view is that probably control was taken of that airplane. It’s anybody’s guess who did what. We need to know who was on the plane in the detail that obviously some people do know. We need to know what was in the hold of the aircraft. And we need to continue to press all those who were involved in the analysis of what happened for more information.
‘I do not subscribe to the view that the Boeing 777, which is one of the most advanced in the world and has the most advanced communication platforms, needs to be improved with the introduction of some kind of additional tracking system. MH 370 should never have been allowed to enter a non-trackable situation.’
Sir Tim said it would be unlikely that the aircraft’s pilots would have been able to disable all the jet’s tracking equipment.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2788599/mh370-control-probably-end-emirates-ceo-sir-tim-clark-reveals-doubts-official-view-missing-airliner-s-fate.html#ixzz3FoqM5Tsx
Hi Katie I just read that myself and thought it a good piece ,it’s a bit disheartening that they have been in the ATSB/IG search area a while now and nothing has shown up .
Quote Russia Today
“Police chiefs killed in Iranian plane crash
Three senior Iranian police officers were among seven people killed in a plane crash after a police turbo-propeller aircraft went down in the restive Sistan-Baluchistan province, which borders Pakistan, local media reported. The highest-ranking officer was the deputy of Iran’s police inspectorate. The officers were heading from Tehran to the provincial area of Zahedan to investigate a series of attacks on security forces this week. The reports said the plane was not shot down.”
Hi Pink.
Yes isn’t it just !
I think it amazing that after all this time the chief exec of Emirates comes out with what we have thought all along.
It would be good to know who he thinks was responsible for this disappearance, he must have a suspect , but is too diplomatic to say so.
Its not what I think Katie I am open minded I do find Victors 2 plane idea intriguing I like Victor it doesn’t mean its right though 🙂
I will add his own words to drive that point home
“The particular scenario that I propose is highly speculative,
MH370 Scenario with a Landing At Banda Aceh, by Victor Iannello, August 23, 2014
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bs8i0w6ux79ai9o/2014-08-23%20MH370%20Landing%20at%20Banda%20Aceh.pdf?dl=0
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790768/f-dead-pilot-shouted-air-france-jet-plunged-atlantic-final-moments-doomed-flight-447-two-sleeping-pilots-revealed.html
final moments of doomed Flight 447 and its two sleeping pilots are revealed
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2791862/african-dictator-s-playboy-son-forced-surrender-30million-assets-impoverished-people-country-michael-jackson-s-crystal-glove.html
The not since mentioned crashed in Algeria Antonov was flying from Prestwick, Scotland
into Equatorial-Guinea
(follow the money)
It is difficult to know on which side is Turkey
http://www.france24.com/en/20141014-hurriyet-daily-news-turkey-fighter-jets-bomb-pkk/
they seem to be on the side of IS
Oxygen masks did not deploy no injuries
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/14/dallas-bound-flight-emergency-landing-side-walls
Does anybody know how to contact the moderators to clean this stuff up?
Julie Bishop fronts up Vlad Putin
http://www.smh.com.au/world/foreign-minister-julie-bishop-meets-with-vladimir-putin-for-talks-over-mh17-site-access-20141017-117ykl.html
Must have at least one more crash site visit before the snows cover the lot
MH17
$30m reward offered to catch the killers of 298 people who were on Flight MH17
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/malaysian-airlines-flight-mh17-crash-parents-of-three-australian-children-killed-call-for-an-end-to-this-pointless-war-9804543.html
“What happened in the first four hours when MH370 disappeared?
Answers to this simple question are confused or not in the public domain. Why not? If proper protocols had been followed we would not be looking for the aircraft today.”
read more
http://www.aviationbusiness.com.au/news/expert-challenges-mh370-story
aircraft smashes into snow plough.
Flight data recorders from the crash site of the TOTAL’s CEO aircraft at Moscow’s Vnukovo Airport have been decoded, Air-Accident Investigation Bureau representative Francois Oshar told RIA Novosti. None of the data on the two flight recorders on the day of the tragedy has been damaged.
EBOLA
a young girl in Mali is the first reported person in that country to be diagnosed with Ebola
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/23/world/africa/ebola-mali/
The French recently had a war in Mali
If there was no SNOW,
if the controller is correct that he did not order a snow plough to cross the live airfield,
who did order the snow plough operative to drive the snow plough across a live airfield
and WHY?
from RT
Vnukovo Airport field service engineer arrested in jet crash case
Moscow’s Basmanny Court on Friday ordered the arrest of Vnukovo Airport leading airfield service engineer Vladimir Ledenev, TASS reported. He is the third suspect in the Total CEO’s jet crash. Ledenev was responsible for overseeing snow clearing work at the airport on the night of the crash. The engineer said all the work at the time was being done at another place and he did not order a snowplow to cross Falcon’s runway.
The chief Dutch prosecutor investigating the MH17 downing in eastern Ukraine does not exclude the possibility that the aircraft might have been shot down from air.
http://rt.com/news/199891-dutch-investigation-mh17-crash/
The Netherlanders have now asked the Russians to give them proof that the Kiev Regime were operating military aircraft adjacent to MH17, just before the accident/incident.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29801798
An air traffic controller was charged Wednesday in Russia for violations of safety rules in connection with the investigation into the deadly crash in Moscow October 20 aircraft of the boss of Total, Christophe de Margerie, said the Committee Russian investigation.
“Air Controller trainee Svetlana Krivsoune under house arrest, was charged today for violations of safety rules causing death by negligence of at least two people,” said the Committee for the investigation in a statement . This is the first indictment in the case which led to the death of Christophe de Margerie, two pilots and a hostess.
http://www.ledauphine.com/france-monde/2014/10/29/mort-du-pdg-de-total-en-russie-une-controleuse-aerienne-inculpee-pour-violations-des-regles-de-securite
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11202503/Virgin-Galactics-SpaceShipTwo-crashes-during-test-flight.html
MH17 Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/201331-ukraine-mh17-investigation-remains/
“Today the circumstances allowed for a small team to travel to the crash site and we grabbed the opportunity with both hands,” Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte told journalists at a briefing in The Hague.
@Michael Norton: An air traffic controller? As expected.
Dutch experts arrive in E.Ukraine for MH17 debris – DPR
Three Dutch experts investigating the Malaysian Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine have arrived in the eastern city of Donetsk to prepare for the transportation of the plane’s debris, the Deputy Prime Minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Andrey Purgin told RIA Novosti on Tuesday. According to him, debris of the plane is still located at the crash site near the city of Torez. “Today [we] held the first meeting with the representatives of our emergencies service, the ministry of transportation and police. The experts also visited the crash site,” said Purgin. The passenger plane was downed on July 17 killing all 298 on board.
Criminal case opened in Russia over shelling of school in Donetsk, E. Ukraine
The Russian Investigative Committee (SKR) has opened a criminal case over a shelling of a school in Donetsk in eastern Ukraine, where children were killed. The killing is qualified as an international crime that involved the use of illegal methods of warfare, TASS reported, citing SKR spokesman Vladimir Markin. Also on Thursday, Russian Foreign Ministry’s envoy for human rights and the supremacy of law Konstantin Dolgov said that those responsible for the killing of children in Donetsk are to be punished severely.
http://rt.com/news/line/2014-11-06/#74135
Good, the lunatics in Kiev need to be brought to heal.