I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
No black box in the plane’s tail section. Swept away by currents, or removed by Indonesian navy divers? You decide. Consider the disinterest by Indonesia in autopsies before you decide. So were dolphins making the pings, like inH370’s storyline? It’s getting old.
I wonder if they will do autopsies on the staff?
It would be interesting to know
who was the engineer working for
and why was it important for him to be in that aircraft?
According to multiple reports, the transcription of the ‘black boxes’ will be performed by FRENCH so-called experts from the BEA, under the excuse that the plane was French-made and the co-pilot of French citizenry. We can expect there report to remain as cryptic as possible.
The ‘slaughter of the cartoonists’ incident makes for a perfect red flag to distract attention from the AirAsia mystery, not to mention MH 370!
While world leaders congregate in Paris, who is left to listen to the pings in the Java sea???
From RT
“The navy divers in the Jadayat state boat
have succeeded in finding a very important instrument, the black box of AirAsia QZ8501,”
said Tonny Budiono, a senior ministry official, as cited by AFP.
http://rt.com/news/221571-airasia-black-box-found/
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Quote Sky
“While the cause of the crash is still unknown, the disaster has once again placed Indonesia’s chaotic aviation industry under scrutiny.”
http://news.sky.com/story/1406139/airasia-flight-8501-exploded-before-impact
All these aircraft falling out of the sky,
soon only a nutter will take to the air.
It did or it didn’t:
http://news.sky.com/story/1406139/airasia-flight-8501-exploded-before-impact
The real question is, how many tonnes of fresh mangosteen were in the cargo hold?
Has anyone found the cargo manifest for AirAsia #QZ8501? This is not it. What was in the cargo hold, and who was involved?
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/AirAsia_QX8501_Load_Trim_0507_001-AWQ8501.pdf
FYI, here’s a story about a Boeing 777-200LR. This is not the same as a Boeing 777-200ER. Posted purely as a matter of aviation interest:
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2015/01/air-india-flies-grounded-boeing-777-31-months-ahead-delivery-etihad.html
Nothing new, but also of general aviation interest with regard to ice crystals and engine failure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38
Some are suggesting the Indonesian/Malaysian aircraft exploded.
The Indonesian Authorities are tending to accept that bad weather is to blaim.
I think it is more likely not weather.
If it is proved to be bad weather.
Then all aircraft should no longer fly in bad weather.
France to send its Nuclear Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle
to the Indian Ocean on Wednesday.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/13/uk-france-shooting-operations-idUKKBN0KM0YA20150113
You not like Charlie Hebdo (named after the aircraft carrier). Unbeliever, you ought to be spanked!
Further to your link, Michael Norton, an attack submarine, several frigates and a refueling ship are likely also part of the package:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/06/us-mideast-crisis-france-idUSKBN0KF1LR20150106
(Reuters) – France is sending its aircraft carrier to the Indian Ocean for naval exercises, a defense ministry source said on Tuesday, adding that the ship was ready for military operations if needed.
Specialized naval internet website “Mer et Marine” reported that the Charles de Gaulle carrier, the flagship of the French fleet, was heading to the Gulf, where it would join operations against Islamic State in Iraq.
The carrier is usually accompanied by an attack submarine, several frigates and a refueling ship. When asked if the aircraft carrier could be used to fight Islamic State, the defense ministry source said: “It’s a military tool. It’s purpose is to be used.”
President Francois Hollande is due to officially announce the carrier’s departure on Jan. 14 when he gives his annual New Year’s address to the military from the ship in the southern port city of Toulon.
France was the first country to join the U.S.-led coalition in air strikes in Iraq against Islamic State insurgents, who have also taken control of large parts of neighboring Syria during the course of the three-year-old civil war there. However, it has ruled out striking the group in Syria.
It has about 800 military personnel, nine fighter jets, a maritime patrol aircraft and a refueling plane at its base in the United Arab Emirates as part of its “Chammal” Iraq mission, as well as an anti-aircraft warship in the Gulf. It also operates six Mirage fighter jets from Jordan.
(Reporting by Marine Pennetier; writing by John Irish; Editing by Dominic Evans)
I think the French have their dander up.
I am rather surprized, that England or France are not de-coding the flight recoder data
and that if the media are to be beleived the |Indonesians are doing it inhouse with the main man a personal friend of the captain of the downed aircraft.
Smells of FISH
A final report on the crash is not expected to be published for at least a year,
Siswosuwarno said.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/14/uk-indonesia-airplane-idUKKBN0KN0CC20150114
If the cause of crash is proved to be bad weather, would it not be a good idea to tell the World in less than a year so that flying planes in bad weather is known to cause them to drop out of the sky, killing all on board?
Quote CNN
French aviation experts are helping the Indonesian investigation, which also expected to involve Airbus, the manufacturer of the downed A320-200.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/14/asia/airasia-disaster-flight-qz8501-next/
The French, always the French! What are they experts in, beside stinky cheese?
MH370 searchers to look at hard to reach sea floor wrinkles
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/01/14/mh370-searchers-to-look-at-hard-to-reach-sea-floor-wrinkles/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30825972
now I do not fly anywhere, so know nothing.
I would have thought a good question to ask would be did any of the people drown?
Another could be, were the pilots incapacitated before the crash?
Did any of the people die from being gassed?
Was the engineer tinkering before the crash?
Was the aircraft shot down by air to air missile or was it a ground to air BUK?
I expect others can think of more question?
The Java sea is not Ukraine. MH 370 was a nice story be cause of the pings and the 7th arc. All our jet drivers jumped on the wagon.
But AirAsia is such an ordinary tragedy of people flying into a mean Charlie Bravo.
Another question could be
did this aircraft flight 8501
collide with another aircraft?
Why have we not seen the cargo manifest. Did AirAsia flight carry fresh mangosteen? Laptop batteries? Zirconium alloy?
Why was the coco-pilot a French citizen? Did he speak in creole with the captain?
Quote carried by RT about MH 17
“You can see it, that’s a part of the plane, here’s where the captain sits. And here’s the bullet entry hole. And this is where the bullet trace from the wing leads to, and it’s aimed directly at the pilot here,” said the former pilot, who thinks the crew was killed after the engines were damaged, to make sure the plane and its passengers had no chance of survival.
http://rt.com/news/223143-mh17-crash-investigation-documentary/
In any case, MH 017 never disappeared. It just crashed. Whoever took it down is another story. But the black boxes? Are they being analized by the FRENCH?
The Beagle Has Landed
http://rt.com/uk/223355-beagle-2-mars-probe/
If England can ( on a shoestring) send a “unit” to Mars and softly land it ( even though in eleven years it has not sent messages home)
how come modern jet airliners drop out of the sky in bad weather and nobody knows nothing?
“Also on board were two pilots and four cabin crew and one engineer on board”
http://qz8501.airasia.com/28-dec-2014/index.html
As the engineer was not counted as a passenger, does this mean he should be counted as on active duty?
There could be a clue here:
“Air India flight from Chennai to Paris delayed by three hours after FIGHT breaks out in the cockpit between the pilot and an engineer”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2914426/Air-India-flight-Chennai-Paris-delayed-three-hours-FIGHT-breaks-cockpit-pilot-engineer.html
A virtually identical aircraft?