I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
James – I’ll take your word for it, I just don’t know, crikey, I’m always running out of fuel in my car because I forget to fill it up.
All I did was to print a map with the plane’s assumed flight path then used a string to measure the length of travel .. then I stretched the string towards China and it put me somewhere between the Vietnam/China border.
A silly way of doing it but I knew no other way.
As for height, I believe planes use a lot of fuel in climbing to altitude then it climbed higher to 44,000 feet then it dove to 29,000 then it lowered again to 19,000 then and then according to all the reports it flew below radar altitude… up and down all over the place, surely that must waste fuel.
Truth is I’m not too good on this fuel consumption thing
Donald
Take Off Weight V Take Off Max. How much fuel was tankered. MAS aren’t doing so well and they may get cheaper fuel at KUL. So you take some with you for the return.
No idea of the SOPs at MAS, but it’s a possibility. (and speculation).
Jamie. all the news, reports and articles I read so far say that the plane was carrying between 7 and 7 1/2 hours worth of fuel
Stop the Jamie thing !
And that’s about right (I guess).
Not sure what the “official” MAS line actually is.
I think it is “to get to Beijing plus reserves”.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Israel closes all foreign offices !!!!!!!!!!
http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/is-something-huge-is-about-to-happen.html Watch out people.
Hey up !
They’ve all called press conferences & the Malaysian airlines too have called all family members together…this is it folks….switch on your TV’s,I’m listening to Sky.
James .. sorry, again I have “Jamie” on the other blog, please don’t take it too personal, he’s an old fellow and Katie and I usually frequent his blog, hard to get out of the habit, I’ll try harder 🙂
(not that I’m saying you too are an old fellow …ah, dah, never mind)
KATIE!!! help
Poor you Donald, yes Jamie the old codger is someone I’m trying to get away from !
It’s a genuine error James, we are talking about someone on the Telegraph blog……..no offence intended I’m sure of that.
So what are we waiting for a body has been found or just debris from the plane ?
Israel has closed all its embassies due to a diplomatic work strike by the foreign ministry, mind you it could be a ploy, America has also closed all its embassies in Africa when it suspected a terrorist strike might be about to take place
Katie…
No idea. Just put on the news (bit of buffering, but clear now) have I heard it right.
The (all) the relatives are being taken to Oz ?
One hour ago they reported finding some coloured flotsam, who knows.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-24/chinese-search-plane-finds-suspicious-objects-in-indian-ocean/5341692
Personally I doubt it.
Very odd.
What’s this…. Press Conf by Aussie PM at 14.00 GMT (01.00 Sydney) ?
They are saying “new developments”.
James, yes they are being taken to OZ.
So clearly there’s a definite find.
Press conference due at 2pm UK time.
James,why don’t you get yourself an avatar,that way it will be easier to identify you ?
Ah !
Must be 10pm Perth.
Think the last aircraft landed half an hour ago.
Katie…
A white man against a grey background is my avatar.
Everyone seems to have nicked my idea !
How do you get an avatar ??
Tim,you would have been better to quote the official news not some cranks biased opinion.
“(Reuters) – Israeli diplomats launched an unprecedented strike on Sunday, forcing the complete closure of embassies around the world as they escalated a dispute over pay, officials said.
The industrial action has already threatened to postpone a visit by Pope Francis to Israel planned for May – one of 25 trips by foreign officials affected by a work slowdown the diplomats began on March 5 when wage talks broke down.
By escalating the action to a full strike – the first by the diplomatic corps since the country’s establishment in 1948 – the diplomats will close all of Israel’s 102 missions abroad, paralysing most diplomatic work with other countries and the United Nations.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/23/us-israel-diplomacy-idUSBREA2M0ER20140323
James – That conference was for the PM to announce that China had found new objects that “might” be related, one hour ago they announced that they had located the objects, no further news yet.
Meanwhile in Malaysia, 3 hours ago the relatives were herded together and moved … to make way for the Formula 1 races
http://au.sports.yahoo.com/news/article/-/22144393/families-of-mh370-missing-shifted-for-malaysian-f1/
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You can have as many as you like, but the photo you choose for each email address will be the one which shows when you sign in with that email add.
James
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4 minutes ago – Flares have been dropped to mark the objects found in the ocean, the Aussie navy will reach them in about two hours.
But I looked, the objects must be small because I can see the surface of the water and there is nothing there except the smoke from the flare, in fact I can’t see nothing else
Malaysian Prime Minister to give Press Conference.
It’s all this “the prime minister of xxxxxxasia” that’s confusing.
Planes are being chartered in preparation to fly relatives to OZ, poor souls ,what a miserable journey that’s going to be. No passengers have survived.
10 mins to go before announcement.
Dreadful.
Katie, it has to be a hoax, even 25 minutes ago they still didn’t know what the objects were and the ship dispatched to retrieve and examine them will not reach them for 2 more hours yet.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/new-hunt-for-clue-in-malaysian-airlines-mystery/story-e6frg95x-1226863762438
Whaaaaat ?
Donald I think you are right, all he’s saying is that they will hold a conference tomorrow !
There is more, two more Malaysian Airlines planes have had to land because of a) a bird strike, b) an electrical fault (loss of a generator)
The conference might also be related to these events.
Here is the Australian edition of Google, always up to date right down to a few minutes, will help you guys keep up with the news
http://news.google.com.au/news/section?cf=all&ned=au&hl=en&q=Malaysia%20Airlines&topicsid=FRONTPAGE&ict=ln&topicnv=__AB21PFzIDf-0akEvKI2TUWMCa6zTh01IXD7jE19AjpqBOgMeJtgySZDmBxUAqmYPtPx3lNu0SKTLgNMpe1O2wkpe92gFIJRsK7eumaVKt1Zfg9BPoonTNpm4O1aUy0tJgX-5hOsLdKvswFZiwLiJFwxEgU7FSzFhN0fskxBrpBHM5wzaJRo75_Lrbs6O2Mq2EWKFfZVgDuCV_wIq8xmbHV0FWTmivUkMaw6CiPWmdxY_FBiOTAElyuTyzy42IKM16NpSjm2xmbeLZ7vgSgnKbCVUG8JoPjT5oFlszqQj2EdoCjSW6K9kK-MBIdzSHX1FDNMp2xLhXUvzs9vd0W5BnSC4HrjUyH_5k7O7yjmzEAN8xwL1SX1NUkLRjYv0vPvz49Q8y40k0pPk-YJuBKbIWthA9dpXPmmEKpNIK1V1raQvuXNPF6mQZ9G_KkpRtpdEI25oxF7AuEP9gz2riGLDVabHsK2jtDm52kAIRM2SJQRWEitUg1cTR2HtK-y178EH76xzHr8UEoLlhthFNA3vzzmSL4yQ2I-TR1SvPLTGplH5KvVoLmmpQDmGRkStG7sGbhYLqSl-aqk-4aAY5I04MM3puHl-Pkfc5cBombZHHJhq5hlNyI8HDJX9MvNQKMFrFMqnSaPBhM53&siidp=958d6e20b12b891ec6820145f37a3002d320&edchanged=1&authuser=0
Extraordinary.
AAIB (UK), using Inmarsat data, calculates that the aircraft crashed into the Southern Indian Ocean.
And the award for most useless press conference goes to………
James, I think you are right about the conference, all it does is to raise the relatives hopes and nothing else.
I’m off, big storm here and I’ve lost most of my satellite links, I could use a good sleep anyway, back tomorrow.
PS: My two theories still stand, plane lost near Vietnam or a terrorist plot that originated in Africa. Although I believe the plane crashing near or in Vietnam is the right one
Shall see tomorrow when I do a better search of the facts. Good night
That hastily convened conference was all about the Malaysians not wanting to lose control !
The Chinese had found something positive & the Australians also came back with news…still withheld.
So Once again the Malaysians are not being honest but hanging onto that information until tomorrow. Why ?