I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
I wrote IN THE RIVER, not in the sea.
Now this new incident should perhaps lead this blog to open a new thread under the title ‘cartwheeling airfraft’, because it seems there will be more and more, and all of them suspicious.
video from someone driving along the road.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1053519784674205
Doesn’t it remind you of Penghu?
Another FRENCH disaster. Why do they buy French aircraft in that part of the world?
Both Pratt& Whitney engines
so not Rolls Royce.
Rolls Royce engines seem to figure very rarely in the total write off accidents?
French airplane, Yankee engines. Couldn’t be worse.
I wrote FATAL ACCIDENT, because I couldn’t believe that plane went down by incident.
Actually, some reports from the best news rags mention there was a third pilot in the cockpit. If correct, that piece of information is essential.
One engine can fail (especially if it’s not British-made), but in such case as soon as the VMCA cannot be achieved, the PF is expected to glide into a hard-landing or ditch in this case (remember the Hudson miracle!).
Nothing like that happened. Was any of the pilots French?
Yes and it was the French Concorde that crashed in France
not a British Concorde.
Absolutely. BA continued to fly their British Concordes over the Atlantic for quite a while, and without any problem.
But the bad reputation caused by the French disaster at Paris airport was too much to overcome.
Same is now happening with the ATR aircraft in Asia. How many more planes must disappear before people realise it’s basically unsafe to trust any French-made flying machines. Even their cars break down all the time.
“Also on board were two pilots and four cabin crew and one engineer on board”
http://qz8501.airasia.com/28-dec-2014/index.html
As the engineer was not counted as a passenger, does this mean he should be counted as on active duty?
I think it is about time the Airasia company came clean and told the World,
What the Engineer was doing on that fatal journey?
Bloody Heaven, let’s not jump from one incident to another.
In the previous AirAsia incident, we well know there was an engineer on a jumpseat.
The question is was there one also on this recent Taipee incident, and if yes was he a French national?
Some reports hail the pilot as a hero, saying he willingly ditched the a/c into that river. Is that supposed to be a new recipe for ‘French dip’?
Would have to disagree frenchbasher I find their cars very reliable.
“Even their cars break down all the time.”
A brand-new engine was replaced by Pratt & Whitney before the plane crashed in Taiwan:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mayday-call-issued-deadly-crash-river-taipei-28739630
The engine was replaced before the plane went into service. “Mayday, mayday, engine flameout” were the pilot’s last words.
We still need to know what the engineer was doing on the crashed AirAsia QZ8501 plane. Was he an employee of the engine manufacturer, or the maintenance and repair company contracted by AirAsia?
Still thinking about MH370, and how it was declared an “accident” without black boxes or proof of any kind. Insurance settlements issue are quite separate from fact or reality.
After more than HALF A YEAR has passed since MH17 crashed in Ukraine,
England decoded the Ukraine crash black boxes and passed to the Netherlands,
as so very much depends on why/how/who disabled this plane,
why has it all gone quiet?
Could it be that what has been found out is not what the Americans/Ukraine regime wanted?
“The question we’re asking is: show us exactly what we’ve got for this money, you know we’ve invested a considerable amount in Pratt and Whitney, what are Canadian taxpayers getting in terms of bang for their buck?” said Aaron Wudrick, the group’s federal director.
From: http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/feds-give-pratt-and-whitney-another-300m-loan-despite-shrinking-workforce-1.2137601#ixzz3QtZulZ7z
Poor choice of words, in retrospect.
Is there a common thread in the move to quieter, more fuel-efficient engines by various engine manufacturers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_PW1000G
http://www.thestar.com/business/2014/12/08/aircraft_engine_maker_pratt_and_whitney_pledges_to_spend_1b_on_research.html
More about high-bypass turbofan engines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56
See fuel flow problems.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/02/05/uk-airbus-avianca-idUKKBN0L92CJ20150205
but only if they are fitted with proper British Rolls-Royce engines
http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Pratt+Whitney+looks+into+engine+test+incident/9787709/story.html
Well, someone saw something.
&A.
I agree with MN: “but only if they are fitted with proper British Rolls-Royce engines”
Flame-outs are not that unusual on other types of engines. The question is why did it/they fail to restart? I assume the French-designed fuel supply software was involved. The pilots seem to have tried their best. And don’t forget that even several Boeing types (including the dreamliner) have subcontracted critical electrical systems to French companies. This must have been a major factor in many recent incidents, even possibly for MH370.
It’s OK to eat French fries, but it’s life-threatening to fly airplanes that use French systems!
New clues in the case of the TransAsia Airways (復興航空) flight:
” Engine No. 1 on the two-engine plane was still operating normally at that point in the flight but was then cut off at 10:53:24 a.m. for unknown reasons, according to information obtained from the plane’s flight data recorder (FDR). ”
Read more:
http://focustaiwan.tw/news/afav/201502060030.aspx
There’s something French in this story.
Pink, you’re making comments out of the blue.
If you consider that the most sophisticated French car manufacturer is called ” Citroen “, which is the French word for lemon, no further comments are needed.
http://news.sky.com/story/1422449/taiwan-plane-both-engines-failed-before-crash
So both engines ‘failed’. And why is that? The flight crew certainly tried a restart, but it didn’t work out. And why? Because of a delirious procedure designed by the FRENCH that you have to cut fuel supply to both engines before restarting any of them. Such procedure may be reasonable if you’re already flying above Indian territory, but doesn’t make sense if you’re only 3000 feet up.
Once again, let’s blame the French. Even Napoleon lost his final battle for awaiting support that couldn’t be expected.
Remi Plesel
http://www.english.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/20150207-airasia-crash-french-copilot-s-body-found-indonesia
Divers have recovered a body they believe to be that of the French co-pilot of the AirAsia flight QZ8501, which crashed into the sea off Indonesia last December with 162 people on board.
The Family of Remi Plesel the French copilot,
files legal case against AirAsia over Indonesia crash
http://www.english.rfi.fr/asia-pacific/20150128-french-copilot-s-family-files-legal-complaint-against-airasia-over-indonesia-c
AirAsia Indonesia, a subsidiary of Malaysia’s AirAsia, was not authorised to fly between the town of Surabaya, on the central Indonesian island of Java, and Singapore, according to the Indonesian transport ministry.
Rémi Plésel, from the French West Indian island of Martinique, was among the 162 people who vanished with the plane.
Shortly before the disappearance, the pilot had asked for permission to fly higher because of thick cloud but had not received it because there was too much air traffic.
Airspace in south-east Asia has become crowded, partly because of the growth of tourism, and experts say that the infrastructure is insufficient and personnel insufficiently trained.
On 9 January Transport Minister Ignasius Jonan announced the suspension of 61 domestic flights run by five local companies because they were found not to have authorisation.
Because a French national was on board Paris prosecutors had already opened an inquiry into possible manslaughter.
Plésel’s family wants an investigating magistrate, who would have more powers, to be named.
Plésel was 46 years old and had worked as an engineer for French company Total before gaining a pilot’s licence and starting work at AirAsia in 2012.
Any conspiracy aficionados will have noticed that the
French Co-Pilot, flying a French airplane, powered by French Engines,
previously worked for the French Oil Conglomerate TOTAl,
The French CEO Christophe de Marerie died in bizarre circumstances in a French Plane on a runway in Moscow, French authorities opened a manslaughter investigation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christophe_de_Margerie
It’s not a conspiracy (Boeing forbids), it’s an evidence. By a wide margery.
And this summer, de Margerie made what the US considers to be his most subversive statement. He spoke out against the preeminence of the US dollar in international payments. Although the idea would be beneficial to Russia, our country has not yet carried out plans to force those who purchase our resources to pay for them in rubles, in order to strengthen our currency. “There is no reason to pay for oil in dollars,” stated de Margerie in July. “Doing without the (U.S.) dollar, that wouldn’t be realistic, but it would be good if the euro was used more. The dollar occupies too large a niche in the international oil and gas trade. The fact that oil prices are quoted in dollars per barrel does not mean that payments actually have to be made in that currency. There are no valid reasons to pay for hydrocarbons in the American national currency.”
De Margerie sincerely believed and repeatedly stated that Ukraine and Russia are part of Europe and attempts need to be made to resolve the crisis as quickly as possible. And in recent months,Christophe de Margerie actively lobbied to have the Mistral naval assault ship sent to Russia.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/was-totals-chief-executive-christophe-de-margerie-killed-for-opposing-petrodollar-and-sanctions-against-russia/5409726
He was heading for an unknown destination in FRANCE?
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20141020-0
Air Asia X flight forced to turn back to Kuala Lumpur after malfunction
The pilots of an Air Asia X flight from Kuala Lumpur to Jeddah were forced to abort the journey and turn back to Malaysia Sunday, Air Asia’s CEO Tony Fernandez said.Fernandez said in a text message to AFP that one of the auto-thrusters was not working properly, and that although it was ok to fly the pilots took the precaution of turning back. Flight tracking websites showed flight D7172 flying wide circles over the Strait of Malacca to burn off fuel, which was described by Fernandez as “routine”. The incident comes after Air Asia flight QZ8501 went down in stormy weather in late December between Surabaya in Indonesia and Singapore killing all on board.
D. Marjory was flying in a French falcon with a French crew, whatever his views were on the currency market. As for his destination, of course Paris has several airports, but all of them are French.
The new Air Asia incident ( I don’t call it accident ) involves another French plane.
Wo ist Meister James when we need him?
Don’t be shy, we all need your expertise. Why would a pilot switch off the only running engine after the other one has flamed-out?
Is it different on a Gulfstream?