I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
or anywhere else in Europe?
It didn’t make FRENCH toast.
The BEA only investigates accidents, not incidents.
U may be correct
Not Forgetting FRENCH Bashing
but is there not a fine line in aerospace between an incident where everyone walks away
and an accident, where few walk away?
U-turn things around in a witty way, M&N.
Methinks I recall it’s been reported duty-free shopping was pretty good at Ekateringburg. Perhaps that cold explain.
Another FRENCH private plane with FRENCH pilots and passengers went down in FRANCE just two days ago. Reason un-known. So many Qs, so few As.
Indeed Not Forgetting FRENCH Bashing
lots of questions but a paucity of answers.
I expect the DUTCH know why MH17 dropped out of the sky but they are also keeping their cards close to their chests, it is enuff to make you think that knowledge is power and the restriction of knowledge keeps power in the hands of the few.
I mentioned a group who are keeping their cards close I am just picking up chatter ATM from what I can gather they are saying the the plane went down very early near the sign off and the flying for hours didn’t happen, keep an eye on twitterverse the Tomnod peeps seem to be in the loop ,I cannot understand why if someone knows something they are playing silly games with the info either way it is getting vetted by a few who are allowed to see it so fingers crossed for the NOK.
The location I am seeing tweeted is 6.60/65/70N 103.71/76/71E Gulf of Thailand if anyone has a clue, I am just saying what I am seeing, Q does it mean anything to you ?
Jury seems out on whether this is a red herring some for some against.
Another FRENCH jetliner just disappeared between New York, USA and Paris, FRANCE.
Later on, it eventually landed in Manchester.
And guess what the flight number was 007! Licence to kill engines.
What Went On at Yubileyniy?
http://jeffwise.net/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-31586195
Scottish government plans to sell Prestwick Airport back to the private sector are viable but it could take “some years” for them to be achieved, a public spending watchdog has said.
Ministers bought the struggling airport for just £1 from owners Infratil in late 2013 amid fears it could close.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infratil
Looks like U.K. governments have been trying to off load Glasgow-Prestwick for a quarter of a century.
A strange sequence if we are to believe the secrecy surrounding this site.
The SNP Scottish government might have bought a pup
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-31586195
idiots
Flight UKL4061 from Glasgow-Prestwick to Equatirial-Guinea
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140830-0
Half a year has now gone by yet no mention by the BBC the London Government
or more surprizing nothing from the SNP Scottish government.
Yet this Ukraine aircraft was purpted to be carrying SCOTTISH oil equipment from Glasgow-Prestwick
an airport owned by the Scottish government.
How come the Scottish government have nothing to say?
Jeff has rattled a few cages this seems to be the one to watch for the next few days to know if the herrings are red .
https://memarciniak.wordpress.com/mh370-the-colossal-screw-up-evidence-revealed-one-year-later-gulf-of-thailand/
Flight MH370 deliberately flown to Antarctica, documentary claims
http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/flight-mh370-deliberately-flown-antarctica-documentary-claims
MH370: Govt to continue searching for flight – Liow
GEORGE TOWN: The government will continue searching for the Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 in the Southern Indian Ocean, said Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai.
Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/malaysia-news/mh370-govt-continue-searching-flight-liow-54517?cp
Read more at: http://english.astroawani.com/malaysia-news/mh370-govt-continue-searching-flight-liow-54517?cp
http://english.astroawani.com/malaysia-news/mh370-govt-continue-searching-flight-liow-54517
Was MH370′s flight south ‘spoofed’ as it really flew north?
One of the most careful dissenting voices in the MH370 mystery is US science writer Jeff Wise, who has today published a study of tractor work on a patch of earth in Kazakhstan that matches the dimensions of the missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER.
However Mr Wise doesn’t back the conclusion that this is where MH370 ended up after it vanished on 8 March last year early in a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 people and some secret under floor cargo consignments on board…..
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2015/02/24/was-mh370s-flight-south-spoofed-as-it-really-flew-north/
The Daily Mirror is keeping track a few here I had not come across.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/flight-mh370-19-conspiracy-theories-5219679
MH370 will never be found. It was actually flying West towards Saint-Tropez, being remote-controlled by FRENCH intelligence. But ran out of fuel before it could reach its destination and dis-appeared thousands of miles away from the official search area.
This seems much more likely than Jeff Wise’s theory.
Would it not be a shame, if six months after the U.K.government have sent troops to
Kiev / Ukraine,
to then discover that Kiev had brought down MH17?
Could be worse. What if the FRENCH had masterminded that tragedy to sell fighter planes to Ukraine?
I like to think that the POS in Marciniak’s document does not mean “position”.
AirAsia QZ8501
Have we yet been informed
who was the Engineer
and why it was thought important for him to be on that flight?
Roger the Engineer was travelling on a “jumpseat”: he was repositioning for another flight. For details, ask our expert James.
The FRENCH are guilty!
&A
No. Port of Spain is in the West Indies.
Update from IG @ Duncan Steel
http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/1222
MH370: I HATE CONSPIRACY THEORIES BUT… WHAT CAN WE LEARN FROM THEM?
http://www.gerryairways.com/index.php/en/mh370-i-hate-conspiracy-theories-but-what-can-we-learn-from-them/
MH370: I LOVE CONSPIRACY THEORIES BUT… WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED FROM THEM?
Answer: nothing. Just browse through all these 18 pages of ‘comments’ and admit that nothing has been disclosed that wasn’t obvious from day 1.
But it’s so much fun!!!
Actually Gerry was being given a bit of a hard time over at Jeff Wise so he has penned his response .
http://jeffwise.net/2015/02/23/what-went-on-at-yubileyniy/#comments
GerryS
Posted March 2, 2015 at 5:37 AM
Spencer et all,
“If the perpetrator wanted to go missing in the SIO, then switching the AES again doesn’t make sense.
If you want to take it elsewhere, then you’d want to get people to think you’re somewhere else, then switching the AES again only makes sense if you can spoof something.
But at the moment, we do not know if it was spoofed or not… I’d rather think that it wasn’t spoofed.
As I said in the article, only when I read Jeff’s post did I remember this spoofing thing. Yes, I heard it in 2011, but even back then I thought it was ridiculous. For the case of MH370, it was and still is a ridiculous claim to use spoofing as a method to “I claim to know where it is”…
Anyone who, even after reading the article, and Jeff’s, and is convinced that the airplane was buried somewhere in Baikonur, needs to have his/her head checked. I mentioned that to Jeff and he agrees. If the plane ever made it there, or somewhere near there, it would have been flown elsewhere… and that makes us go back to square one on where the airplane ended up if it went north.
The current plausible answer remains that the aircraft is most likely to have gone south. As crazy as his theory is, I have to give it to Jeff for his research (and even he thinks it’s crazy).
The search in the southern Indian Ocean should continue… Anyone who think I am saying the search should be made elsewhere, given the current information as of today, should have his/her head checked.
Anything else, even if it came from me… are just theories.
I believe spoofing the BFO is possible. All the previous spoof talk here were about spoofing the AES ID and even the BTO which I don’t believe is spoof-able (but JS has something there, and if it’s true, it’s beyond what I know/belief). For MH370 to have the BFO spoofed, is possible, but unlikely.
The article is mainly aimed at exposing the risks on the security of the equipment. Jeff gave the idea, I built on it based on what I know, and yes, from 2011, and yes, it didn’t come across my mind over the past 12 months sans 1 week so I didn’t look into it until last weekend, because on it’s own it sounded ridiculous, and to use it to say “I know where it is” is equally ludicrous. And yes, I did have to dig my old files and navigate through the various NDAs signed.
Remember, the article is about “What can we learn from these conspiracy theories” and not about MH370 not being in SIO.
What issue do I want to raise from the article? Simple, our satcom equipment on these aircraft are not safe. That’s the main point. The guys in the aircraft connectivity industry understand the point I was making. (As far as I remember, Jeff agrees, but I’ll let him say it if/when he wants to).
So let me reiterate… the article is not about MH370 not being in the southern Indian Ocean, and not about who dunnit. I hope it is clear.
Gerry”
It might be obvious to you I can’t say the same, I have learned quite a bit in the course of these two threads mostly that I do not have a clue whats going on, I threw in the towel on the Al Hilli thread as it was impossible for me to make sense of the official investigation and even harder to keep up with everyone’s idea of what happened, nothing is as straight forward as I would like it to be. 🙂
On this mystery I have picked the people I trust and just followed where it leads and have more or less ended up just as confused .
Duncan seems to be sticking to his guns that’s a good sign for me or at least less confuudling ,Victor is my big hope I don’t think much will get past him he is an oasis of calm in the madness.
@NotForgettingFrenchBashing
2 Mar, 2015 – 2:50 pm
MH370: I LOVE CONSPIRACY THEORIES BUT… WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED FROM THEM?
Answer: nothing. Just browse through all these 18 pages of ‘comments’ and admit that nothing has been disclosed that wasn’t obvious from day 1.
But it’s so much fun!!!