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I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.

CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off.  It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft.  But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency.  (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency.  That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)

I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land  I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region.  Somewhere there is debris on the ocean.  There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented.  However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen.  In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.

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  • Reply ↓
    Q

    @Pink: Sorry, I don’t know who’s behind it, just someone with a sense of humor. “Absorb us… Turn your brain into glial jelly.”

    Here’s something I don’t understand about the whole plane-buried-in-Khazakhstan scenario. Why is this plausible, but the Georesonance scenario is not? Remembering that the research that gave rise to Georesonance’s remote sensing technology was developed at the University of Sevastopol in the Soviet Union/Ukraine/Russia for military purposes, how is it any less credible than the theory of someone out in blogland who paid for some images and whose ability to analyse those images scientifically is what, exactly? For a bunch of people on a blog calling other people’s credibility into question, that sure seems strange.

    The spin-doctoring around all of these crashed and missing planes in the past year or so is really quite remarkable. Why all the spin, if there is nothing to see (move along, people)?

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    @Pink et al:

    It is not a mystery that remote sensing involves the use of X-ray crystallography. The late Lachlan Cranswick was a highly-regarded expert in this field. That is, until he mysteriously disappeared in the middle of a winter night, when he allegedly walked out onto a frozen river, having set out his recycling bin according to the recycling schedule for the town where a certain killer colonel lived. Cranswick carefully left his wallet and cellphone behind, but took his (RFID?) work ID, which was found on his person months later. It’s odd he’d want to take that ID in particular, while leaving his driver’s licence behind.

    Cranswick worked at a nuclear facility in Chalk River. This facility had been involved with the Manhattan Project, and also with some rather infamous Cold War spies!

    Cranswick also worked in neutron beam diffraction at the nuclear reactor. His background included time spent in the map room at Columbia University. Cranswick was a specialist in earth sciences.

    http://pubs.usgs.gov/info/diffraction/html/

  • Reply ↓
    Pink

    @Q I cannot understand why Geo r have been given such a hard time I think the way they have been treated is appalling ,if that’s the way you get treated for trying to help it not good .
    They clearly believe they have something they don’t claim its MH370
    but surely it would be worth finding out what plane it is .
    I seem to remember something about a Gulfstream or some such aircraft lost in that location way back in the comments ,perhaps it’s that one.

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    Now Francois Hollande’s ex that Royal woman
    claimed that there was the last eighteen minutes unacountable( not communicating with Air Traffic control) now the BBC seems to suggest it was only eight minutes
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32159602

    Now if Ségolène is correct, then there just might be time for a Mirage to be put up from
    Orange-Caritat air base
    but if the BBC are right, eight minutes is too tight.
    Which would mean the Mirage was already up?

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    I think THE FRENCH

    need to say what the Mirage was doing.

    There is very little talk of the Mirage

    these days,
    almost as if they want the Mirage forgotten.

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    Luton Airport planes put on ‘collision course’ by controller

    A passenger plane was put on a collision course with another aircraft because of a mistake by an air traffic controller, a report has revealed.

    The Airbus A319 left Luton Airport on a different route to the one planned, on 12 September, UK Airprox Board said.

    It was told to climb to 5,000ft (1,524m), which could have put it in conflict with another A319 on a positioning flight with no passengers.

    The controller realised his mistake straight away and issued instructions.

    In a statement NATS, formerly known as National Air Traffic Services, said: “Safety was not compromised, there was no risk of collision and the minimum separation standard of at least three miles was maintained.

    “The controller immediately realised the error and gave appropriate corrective action.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-32147609

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

    A French military Mirage jet was scrambled from the Orange-Caritat Air Base to intercept the aircraft. According to the BEA, radar contact was lost at 10:40 CET; at the time, the aircraft was flying at an altitude of 6,175 feet

    So Wikipedia states a French Mirage was scrambled from Orange-Caritat

    So the cat is out of the bag,
    a question could be,
    when & why was it scrambled?

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Hey, MN, I guess I was right about Orange-Caritat.

    There is only one explanation I see for Hollande’s ex wanting to expand the window of time. That would make the story fit: the Mirage crew could get the Mirage into the air. Therefore, the Mirage was not in the air before the Germanwings plane came along.

    Ségolène wants us to believe that the Mirage was not already in the air when Germanwings came along. Is this what really happened, given that we were already told there was an 8-minute window? Was there was a training exercise under way when Germanwings flew into prohibited airspace? Locals say training goes on all the time in that air space. Commercial airliners are prohibited from entering that air space during training periods. Was Germanwings intercepted by accident?

    Or were authorities tipped off about the Germanwings airliner before it got to Digne, thereby allowing enough time to intervene? Was Germanwings intercepted intentionally but reluctantly after the copilot failed to respond to the fighter jet(s)? Did the Germanwings copilot have some other intent for the airplane?

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Spotted on the internet: “Germanwings Black Operation: Another AAA False Flag Terror PsyOp” “Was Germanwings jetliner taken down as a message to Germany not to align with Russia?”

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    Yes, just because a person has depressive inclinations, it does not make them a psychopath,
    with an intent to take out hundreds.

    They seem to have rubbished this chap, virtually from the off.
    The FRENCH prosecutor, thinks he has his man, within days and before any scientific evidence is in hand.

    If he was a psychopath, why would Germanwings employ him as a co-pilot?

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    If the FRENCH prosecutor turns out
    to be correct and the co-pilot was a psychopath, employed by Germanwings, in my opinion,
    Germanwings will have to fold.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Maybe the smoke in the cabin was coming from the galley, Pink. An expert like Saad al-Hilli, who worked on the mechanical engineering Airbus galleys, might have been able to help, if only he hadn’t been gunned down by persons unknown in the French Alps in 2012.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Your link led me to Die Welt, Pink. Sounds familiar. Oh, yes.

    “HOW COULD NEWS REPORT IN “DIE WELT” APPEAR TWO DAYS BEFORE FALSE FLAG GERMANWINGS CRASH”

    It is truly strange how the information came out in the media in September 2012, and mechanical engineer Saad al-Hilli, who had worked designing galleys for Airbus, was gunned down in the French Alps in 2012, for no apparent reason. Airbus is a French company.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    From Pink’s link:

    http://www.thelocal.de/20120928/45251

    Note the failure to obtain information from the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder.

    I am pondering the alleged nightmares of the 2015 Germanwings pilot, Lubitz. Hearsay from his alleged girlfriend had him saying something like, “We’re going to crash.” You don’t suppose he might have been involved in some sort of similar incident with Germanwings/Airbus? Would toxic fumes damage retinas and cause PTSD?

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    There are many reports of airliner fumes, and websites dedicated to aerotoxic events.

    One example:

    http://aerotoxic.org/information/fume-event-update-passengers-crew-may-exposed-poison-gas/

    “It was the spring of 2011 the Norwegian researchers at STAMI could prove toxic organophosphates in the air as passengers and crew breathe. The toxins can damage the nervous system and trigger psychosis in people….

    Turbine oils used in aircraft engines contain chemical substances under high temperatures may develop into nerve gas similar compounds.”

  • Reply ↓
    NotForgettingFrenchBashing

    Sorry, the second black box seems to make this case very simple and very sad. If they ever recover the nlack boxes from MH370, it will probably be the same.
    But all of us can dream, or have nghtmares!
    The FRENCH are experts in that field (and they design most of modern avionics systems). Blame the French!

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