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I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.

CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off.  It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft.  But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency.  (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency.  That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)

I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land  I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region.  Somewhere there is debris on the ocean.  There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented.  However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen.  In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.

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    michael norton

    The analysis of the second black box of the A320 Germanwings, found Thursday by the police, voluntary action confirmed the co-pilot and supports the thesis that precipitated the device to its loss, the latest items the survey.
    “A first reading shows that this pilot in the cockpit used the autopilot to engage the aircraft down an altitude of 100 ft” (feet, or about 30 m, Ed), announced Friday the Office of Investigation and Analysis (BEA).
    “Then, several times during the descent, the pilot changed the autopilot setting to increase the speed of the aircraft down,” said the BEA, in charge of the safety investigation surrounding this crash .
    These points support the argument that the co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, 27, rushed the plane to his loss, killing all 150 passengers and crew on board.
    The BEA has not provided more details, simply stating that his “work continues to establish the specific factual progress of the flight.”
    Named Flight Data Recorder (FDR), the second black box is an essential part in the survey, as it allows to remove any doubt about the circumstances of the accident.
    It contains data on the theft of the device (speed, altitude, pilot control inputs, etc.) and allows to know precisely what has happened since his departure from Barcelona (Spain) to Dusseldorf ( Germany) on 24 March.
    She was found Thursday by a woman policeman mountain platoon of police (PGHM) Chamonix, buried about 20 cm below ground in an area that had already been searched by investigators.
    “By looking (for) clothes I found”

    “By looking (for) clothes I have found,” reported Coldefy Alice, the only woman member of the PGHM in Chamonix.
    “We had a black box pictures from multiple angles, it was taken out and was compared with what we had found and that was it. Everyone was happy, it was a relief. (…) A relief for all the people who worked there for a week and a half unabated, “she continued.
    Until then, only the elements in the other black box, the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR), found the same day of the tragedy, which records the conversations inside the cockpit were known.
    The analysis of the CVR revealed that Andreas Lubitz was alone in the cockpit before the crash and determined that he “voluntarily allowed the aircraft fall,” according to the prosecutor of Marseilles, Brice Robin, responsible the inquest.
    At the scene of the crash, searches resumed around 9:30 Friday. Forty gendarmes were on the area with the mission to recover a maximum of personal belongings (clothes, cameras, phones, etc.) in order to return them to the families of the victims after identification.
    They are equipped with crampons, ice axes, harnesses and dust mask.
    The police said Tuesday evening that there was “more body to the area of ​​the crash.”
    According to Brice Robin, “150 DNA profiles have been isolated” through research. But has he said Thursday, “it remains to perform the post-mortem DNA compared to DNA ante mortem” provided by families.
    The presentation of bodies to their families will take place after “validation” identifications, he has added by assessing “three to five” weeks the time required to identify the victims.
    Bernard Cazeneuve on site in the afternoon

    On site, the Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve is expected at Vernet in the afternoon for a wreath-laying ceremony at the monument for the victims.
    It must also give a speech at 17:00 in the chapel of Seyne-les-Alpes to thank the state services and residents for their mobilization during the crisis.
    Approximately 250 to 300 people representing all the mobilized units will be present.
    In Germany, 72 nationals were killed in the crash, the investigation quickly focused the personality of the co-pilot. The German court found that Mr. Lubitz had “been psychotherapeutic treatment for suicidal tendencies there many years” before obtaining his pilot’s license.
    On its tablet, the investigators were able to see that he had researched “on ways to commit suicide” and on “the cockpit doors and security measures,” the prosecutor said Thursday in Düsseldorf, responsible of the German part of the investigation.
    The crash has led several European airlines flying to review security measures, with the now mandatory two people permanently in the cockpit.
    .http://www.ledauphine.com/haute-provence/2015/04/03/la-deuxieme-boite-noire-confirme-une-action-volontaire-du-copilote

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    michael norton

    An MoD spokeswoman said: “Typhoon aircraft were launched this evening from RAF Lossiemouth to intercept a civilian aircraft which was causing concern to air traffic control authorities.

    “The aircraft was safely escorted to Prestwick airport and the local police now have the lead.”

    So, quite jumpy then.

  • Reply ↓
    NotForgettingFrenchBashing

    ” So, quite jumpy then.”
    Less than the FRENCH with their Mirage (needless to say mirages come quicker than typhoons.
    But even if our fighter jets are the worst in this world, at least they’re not French, and we can fly them on the left. God save our gracious aircraft!

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    NotForgettingFrenchBashing

    ” voluntary action confirmed the co-pilot and supports the thesis that precipitated the device to its loss, the latest items the survey.”
    Thanks for making things so clear, MN. Reading you is just like reading TV, but better.

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    Lucky for the Italian Military aircraft that it complied with the wishes of the RAF

    These are the weapons that could have been unleashed if it chose not to comply

    Armament: Paveway IV, AMRAAM, ASRAAM, Mauser 27mm Cannon, Enhanced Paveway II

    It was “escorted” to Prestwick by RAF Typhoons

    http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/typhoon.cfm

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    Q

    The media are now focusing on which pilot left the cockpit of the Germanwings, something which was never in question before.

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    michael norton

    Let’s just say that the Italian cargo plane “escorted” to Prestwick was a civilian aircraft, like the BBC expect to believe, why do they not say which airline/business is running it?
    Why do they not give the aircraft number?

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    michael norton

    http://i3.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article5450237.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/JS60503929.jpg

    On the tail it just says MC27J

    this tells you what type it is a gunship
    http://www.xairforces.net/newsd.asp?newsid=1613&newst=9#.VR7u2eGGWUk

    Farnborough 2012: new details about the “weaponized” C-27J disclosed

    In a media briefing held inside the fuselage of the C-27J CSX62127, Alenia Aermacchi has unveiled a few more details about the new gunship version of the Spartan launched by Alenia Aeronautica and ATK at Farnborough International Airshow 2012.
    First of all, the “mini-Spectre” is just the first of a series of highly specialized configurations that Alenia Aeronautica plans to base on the C-27J battlefield airlifter: ISR (Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance), Border Surveillance, Command and Control. And, of course, Gunship.

    In Fire Support configuration, the Spartan, designated MC-27J, is equipped with a side GAU-23 30 mm gun mounted on 2,000 pounds pallet that can be installed in around 4 hours and that was chosen because it is not only a very accurate cannon, but is also used on other U.S. platforms.

    The MC-27J is in its first development phase. First tests are scheduled to start next fall with the goal to characterize the weapon system, then actual firing tests will be conducted in an unspecified range in the U.S.: an electro-optical/radar fire control system will be integrated only on a second stage.

    The use of the side cannon does not require any major system modification nor imply a change in the general handling of the aircraft that will not get any additional armour other than its standard ballistic protection and passive self-protection suite.

    Noteworthy, Alenia Aeronautica is considering the integration of more PGMs (Precision Guided Munitions) that could be either side dropped or released from the cargo bay (the type of weapon being considered was not unveiled).

    The MC-27J program is not related to the C-27J Praetorian, an Italian Air Force program launched in 2011, that envisages a special version Spartan equipped with Communications Intelligence (COMINT), EO/IR (Electro optical/Infra-red) sensors.

    Source: The Aviationist News – 10 July 2012 (theaviationist.com)

    Photo: The Italian Air Force AleniaAermacchi MC-27J Praetorian Aircraft (Photo by cencio4.files.wordpress.com)

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    No wonder the RAF sent up a pair of Eurofighters to bring it down!!!

    Wouldn’t want one of them going rougue.

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    michael norton

    http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsalenia-mc-27j-spartan/

    Alenia Aermacchi has unveiled a new, armed version of its combat-proven C-27J Spartan battlefield airlifter, at the ongoing 2012 Farnborough International Air Show, in the UK.

    The newly launched MC-27J airlifter, a roll on/roll off (RO/RO) variant of the C-27J, is designed to assist air and special forces in conducting anti-terrorism operations and evacuation of military personnel and civil populations.

    Capable of taking off from and landing on short and/or unprepared strips, the aircraft primarily supports all standard special forces’ operations by serving as a platform with quick transfer speed, long operational range and enhanced cargo capacity for the operators, troops and vehicles.

    The gunship variant is equipped with the ATK-developed GAU-23 30mm precision weapon kit, which can be employed to fire all types of Nato 30mm x 173 rounds, as well as Super 40 ammunition.

    So you decide
    are the MOD and the BBC correct that an 27J is commercial
    or are they misspeaking?

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    michael norton

    Germanwings, & Airbus again

    Germanwings flight en route from Cologne and Venice had to be rerouted Saturday morning and landed in Stuttgart, due to “oil leak” the company said in a statement.

    “For safety, one of the unit’s reactor was cut and a diversion was made,” said the company, adding that the device is “an Airbus A319 with 123 passengers and five crew members on board” .

    “It was not a question of an emergency landing, passengers left the aircraft normally” again said the company, adding that the A319 is “currently being considered by technicians.”

    From midday, “passengers should be transported to Venice in a replacement device,” further states Germanwings.

    On March 24, an A320 of this low-cost airline subsidiary of Lufthansa, crashed in the Alpes-de-Haute-Provence in the south of France, leaving 150 dead. According to the information of the current investigation, the German co-driver on this unit, Andreas Lubitz, voluntarily rushed the machine against the mountain.

    http://www.ledauphine.com/france-monde/2015/04/04/un-vol-germanwings-deroute-en-raison-d-une-fuite-d-huile

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    Q

    How often is the galley oven cleaned? Any dry ice on board? Do galley ovens need frequent cleaning on short-haul flights when meals are not served?

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    Q

    Comments here reveal that galley ovens are used for meals for business class passengers on short-haul flights. Whether or not discount airline Germanwings served hot food, especially on a mid-morning flight, I do not know. I do know that food left in the oven for 30 minutes too long can burn.

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