I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Indeed. Had it been a FRENCH Airbus, they would certainly have crashed.
@MN: OT, but maybe not if you go to page 15 of this thread. Did you see this?
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/jan/27/hidden-world-of-uk-deportation-asylum-seamless-transitions
@MN: This is still lurching along without progress:
https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.com/2015/05/17/police-launch-investigation-into-rendition-flights-via-scotland-here-is-the-evidence/
Q,
” Other rendition flights via Scotland (and UK airspace) are suspected. ”
Is this a joke? What did you expect?
Glasgow-Prestwick is owned by The Scottish Government
they bought it for a pound.
I would guess that at the very least the Scottish government ought to be able to ask Prestwick airport what happened to
The Antonov departed Glasgow-Prestwick Airport (PIK), United Kingdom on August 29 as flight UKL4012
But it did not make the full journey, it crashed at Tamanrasset.
So did Farnborough do the Black Boxes?
I posted long ago about the rendition flights, and a young woman’s mysterious death near a Scottish rendition (alleged) airport. Just touching bases to show that no progress has been made on this issue no one wants to touch. Also posted in the al-Hilli thread about secret deportation flights and hearings closed even to those whose cases are under review, followed by immediate expulsion. Strange that the same kind of plane previously used for rendition flights — Embraer private jet — is now being used for deportations and removals. Even if rendition flights are no longer going in and out of these airports, deportation and removals may be, after secret legal proceedings which give the subjects of same no legal recourse of any kind. Orange is the new black. Deportations and removals are the new rendition! Has the kinder, gentler brand name fooled anyone?
http://www.handelsblatt.com/unternehmen/handel-konsumgueter/airbus-strategiechef-ernsthaftes-qualitaetsproblem-in-der-endmontage/11840936.html
This just confirms the BBC story of the 21st May posted earlier
The Terminator
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3105499/Struggling-Malaysia-Airlines-forced-lose-6-000-staff-following-MH370-MH17-disasters-new-CEO-dubbed-Terminator.html
Malaysia Airlines to lose 6,000 staff following the MH370 and MH17 disasters in first move by new CEO dubbed The Terminator who says firm is technically bankrupt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525#Cause_of_crash
If you go on Wiki it says the crash was caused by the deliberate act of
Andreas Günter Lubitz,
if the air crash investigation is on-going -how do they know?
So far it is supposition.
It also says “A French military Mirage jet was scrambled from the Orange-Caritat Air Base to intercept the aircraft”
I thought THREE mirage were put up?
The FRENCH can not afford to send three fighter jets on a single alert. The journos made this up.
MH17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32972406
Mr Novikov said the firm was willing to stage “a full-scale, real-life experiment attended by independent observers and experts” next to a similar Boeing 777 fuselage, to reproduce the MH17 impact.
@Peter: Multiple marriages from countries that allow them would not be an obstacle for entry to the UK. Jim would be an obstacle obstacle to Kelly, as they married in the U.S., which does not look kindly on such matters. Similarly, the marriage to Saad before officially cutting ties would cause problems. Multiple undivorced husbands from various countries at the same time would have been too much for immigration officials to overlook, and for lawyers to sweet-talk their way through.
I think the girls’ share of their father’s estate could be in jeopardy if this is the case. Have the estate papers leaked their way into the media?
Text of MH17 test,, from Russian website
Russia’s weapons manufacturer Almaz-Antei is prepared to stage an experiment at its own expense proving that the Malaysian Airlines’ flight MH17 was downed by a missile launched with a Buk-M1 system, the concern’s CEO Yan Novikov said on Tuesday.
“If necessary, we will be prepared to stage a full-scale real-life experiment attended by independent observers and experts,” he said. “In other words, we will blow up a 9M38M1 missile placed next to the fuselage of the same manufacturer’s written-off plane at the angles mentioned at this presentation.”
“Our presentation has proved that the guided missile that hit the [Malaysian] Boeing in the sky above Ukraine could only be 9M38M1 of the Buk M1 system,” Yan Novikov said. “This missile was withdrawn from production in 1999. Therefore, the concern and its companies could have supplied these missiles to no one in the 21st century.”
Yan Novikov said the arms manufacturer is not in the position to comment who fired the missile.
“According to our estimates, the missile was launched from a position near Zaroshchenskoye. The error margin is 1.5 kilometers. We make no comment as to who controlled the area at the moment,” he said in reply to a question.
“At the same time we have irrefutable evidence this type of missiles is still in service in the Ukrainian armed forces. Back in 2005 the concern conducted pre-contract work on prolonging the service life of these weapons in Ukraine. At that moment there were 991 such missiles there,” Novikov said.
“We do not dismiss other versions, but if it is true that the Boeing liner was shot down by an air defense missile, the Buk-M1 system and the mentioned rocket were the sole possibility, he said.
Novikov said data from US military satellites the United States mentioned at a certain point might prove very helpful in efforts to establish who is to blame for shooting down the aircraft.
He believes that images of the area taken at the moment of the disaster from US satellites “would certainly provided a clear answer to the question who is to blame.”
“I do hope that the information will be handed over to the commission for identifying those responsible,” Novikov said.
Traces of Buk-M1 missile’s fragments identified in MH17 debris
An adviser to the general designer of the Almaz-Antei corporation, Mikhail Malyshevsky, earlier told the media that the loss of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over Ukraine last summer was due to the effects of a guided air defense missile, .
“The most characteristic damages allowed for making a conclusion the plane crashed due to an impact of a guided air defense missile,” he said.
The advisor said the examined fragments of the ill-fortunate Malaysian Airlines’ Boeing liner (Flight MH17), shot down over Ukraine last summer, bear unmistakable traces of fragments from a Buk-M1 air defense missile (9M38M1).
“One of the key features of missile 9M38M1 is a special scalpel-shaped cloud of shrapnel (accounting for 40% of the fragments’ total mass). That special feature has now been simulated,” Malyshevsky said at an Almaz-Antei presentation devoted to the MH17 probe.
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Wrong thread my friend.
And wrong conclusions too. The girls will be fine. No problem.
Methinks this discussion about MH370 has reached it’s limit for now. Can be resumed whenever new pings appear. Good luck.
@ NotForgettingFRENCHBashing
if the FRENCH can afford to have a nuclear powered aircraft carrier and a full blown nuclear industry, I expect they could afford to put up three mirages all at once to stop the aircraft from crashing into a nuclear facility
thus causing meltdown.
Toxic air for breathing in aircraft comes to legal action in the United Kingdom
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33008356
Australia will call off MH370 ‘goose chase’ this year: Emirates boss Tim Clark
http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/australia-will-call-off-mh370-goose-chase-this-year-emirates-boss-tim-clark-20150610-ghkar9.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3118002/Did-MH370-pilot-fly-ocean-perfect-nose-dive-New-theory-suggests-entering-water-90-degrees-kept-plane-intact.html
Here we go again.
@Pink: “wild goose chase”, but Mr. Clark is too polite to call it that.
VictorI
Posted June 9, 2015 at 2:14 PM
I had a chance to have a nice chat with Prof. Goong Chen, the lead author of the paper on water entry of MH370. I will keep some of his comments private, but here are the main takeaways.
1. He does not disagree that the cockpit of MH370 likely had a fracture failure.
2. He does not disagree that he incorrectly equated surface pressure with tensile stress.
3. He does not disagree that the plane might have experienced buckling failure upon entry.
4. His explanation for no debris is that perhaps only the cockpit structure failed and then the water pressure pushed all material further into the fuselage and away from the opening.
5. By using the words “speculative” and “forensic”, he was attempting to cast his results in the proper light.
6. He tried to strike a balance between writing a paper that had general interest and making outlandish claims.
6. He was not aware that this paper was being used to justify the flight into the SIO with no debris.
7. I encouraged him to compose a written reply to my comments. He said he was busy at the moment, but would try to assemble a reply working the other authors.
So there you have it.
http://jeffwise.net/2015/05/17/guest-post-northern-routes-and-burst-frequency-offset-for-mh370/#comments
I just came across the podcast from June 2014 I am not sure if its been posted before I missed it if it was I remember reading his comments about the same .
Emirates President Tim Clark talked to Aviation Week’s Jens Flottau on the sidelines of the IATA AGM in Doha about flight MH370 and aircraft tracking.
http://directory.libsyn.com/episode/index/id/2870696
Malaysia Airlines plane makes emergency landing in Melbourne after engine bursts into flames en route to Kuala Lumpur
The Airbus A330 aircraft MH148 was carrying 300 passengers and heading from Melbourne to Kuala Lumpur.
“There was an emergency declared, there was an ‘engine fire’ alert in the cabin.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/06/12/uk-malaysia-airlines-emergency-idUKKBN0OS0N720150612
Malaysia Airlines do seem quite unlucky
SOME COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AND
ANSWERS REGARDING MH370
(RELATED TO THE RECENT WORK BY G.
CHEN ET AL.)
http://www.math.tamu.edu/~gchen/mh370.pdf
In one months time it will be a year since the downing of MH17
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
“The Board aims to publish the report within one year of the date of the crash.”
The Search for MH370 Unravels
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/14/the-search-for-mh370-unravels.html
Missing tanker with precious oil cargo not like MH370, MMEA official says –
http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/missing-tanker-with-precious-oil-cargo-not-like-mh370-mmea-official-says
@ Q 25th March, 5:14 pm
Yes what is the explanation for so many Mirages to be around the Germanwings Airbus
before the air traffic controllers have reported an incident?
Stowaway Plunges To Death From BA Plane
http://news.sky.com/story/1504970/stowaway-plunges-to-death-from-ba-plane