I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
CHINA said on Tuesday it is investigating the head of its work safety regulator who for years allowed companies to operate without a license for dangerous chemicals, days after blasts in a port warehouse storing such material killed 114 people.
Yang Dongliang, head of the State Administration of Work Safety, is “currently undergoing investigation” for suspected violations of party discipline and the law, CHINA’s anti-graft watchdog said in a statement on its website.
The agency, the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection, did not say that Yang’s behaviour was connected to the explosions in the port of Tianjin but the company that operated the chemical warehouse that blew up did not have a licence to work with such dangerous materials for more than a year.
Investigators have not determined the cause of the blasts but the disaster has deepened public concern about safety regulations.
CHINA has struggled in recent years with incidents ranging from mining disasters to factory fires, and President Xi Jinping has vowed that authorities should learn the lessons paid for with blood.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/18/uk-china-blast-idUKKCN0QN0DT20150818
Mike Adams has been unfavorably linked to Dr. Oz and allegations over taking money for publishing his views on health-related matters. He’s an observer like the rest of us. I don’t think he has any special aviation knowledge.
As for Malaysia and a cover-up, the behavior over the flaperon at a time when a $700 million deposit into Najib Razak’s bank account was made public seems to lend credence to the cover-up idea. How sad to use the flaperon as a distraction for political reasons. Malaysia is earning the distrust and disrespect it so richly deserves over MH370. Razak has plumbed the depths with this one. The families of the disappeared must have little but contempt and disgust for Malaysia and its handling of this affair.
Over on Crikey, Sy Gunson called for the ICAO to intervene and remove this investigation from Malaysian authority. It would be a bold move, but one that might restore the faith of the international flying public.
eXplosions in BINHAI
http://www.economist.com/news/china/21661490-blast-tianjin-sets-explosion-online-fired-up
this is political dynamite
eXplosions in BINHAI
Supercomputer Tianhe-1A
“Chinese supercomputer Tianhe-1A was shut down as a result of the explosions, the official Xinhua news agency said, citing officials at the National Supercomputing Centre in Binhai.
The machine itself was intact after the explosion and running normally, Xinhua said, but the building housing it was damaged and it was switched off due to security concerns.
Some believe this important piece of equipment may have been the real target.”
The Daily Mail
Been out walking today with a friend who went to Tianjin,
about ten years ago, he said it is an awful shithole.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/maxwell-technologies-and-tianjin-lishen-battery-to-introduce-hybrid-energy-storage-solutions-combining-ultracapacitors-and-li-ion-batteries-59867737.html
This is one of the Tianjin lithium battery producers. Where are these factories in relation to the explosions sites?
Thinking of MH370 cargo.
Looks like about 40 miles away Q
Thanks, MN. I saw this slip under the radar:
http://aircargoworld.com/boeing-issues-lithium-ion-battery-warning/
What do you suppose prompted Boeing to issue a warning that bulk shipments of lithium-ion batteries can explode and cause fires big enough to destroy a large aircraft?
If only this warning had come before MH370 flew into the deep blue yonder. Also from the story: “The FAA issued a statement in May that said current fire-suppression systems on aircraft are unable to suppress or extinguish a fire involving a significant load of the batteries.”
Did MH370 contribute to these warnings?
@Q
well whatever chemicals they had stored, near the Port Fire Station in BINHAI
you would not want any of that stuff, being carried in a passenger aircraft.
It would be utterly outrageous for dangerous chemicals to be in a passenger aircraft, does it ever happen?
The United Nations’ top expert on human rights and hazardous materials has criticised CHINA for a “tragic” lack of transparency on the Tianjin blasts.
UN Special Rapporteur Baskut Tuncak said more timely information could have “perhaps even prevented this disaster”.
At least 114 people died and another 700 were injured by massive explosions last week at a warehouse storing hazardous chemicals in Tianjin’s port.
The cause it not yet clear, and a massive clean-up is continuing.
Thousands of people saw their homes destroyed or unsafe to return to.
‘Deeply disturbing’
Mr Tuncak called on China to ensure transparency in the investigation into the 12 August incident, and to adhere to international standards such as timely and effective dissemination of information in such disasters.
“This chemical disaster serves as yet another tragic example of the need of information about hazardous substances to protect, respect and realise human rights,” he said.
“The lack of information when needed – information that could have mitigated or perhaps even prevented this disaster – is truly tragic.”
He said there were “deeply disturbing” restrictions on freedom of press and on access to safety information, which could have increased casualties.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-33998655
Police of the UNITED KINGDOM
TASER a paying customer on an EASYJET aircraft
because he was worried about his luggage.
Do not fly EASYJET
they do not value your custom.
@MN: I imagine it does happen and has happened with disastrous consequences, in order for both Boeing and the FAA to issue warnings against transporting these lithium-ion batteries in bulk. The warnings were very specific.
Not that we’ll likely ever know, but were lithium-ion batteries stored in the port at Tianjin/Binhai near or at the explosion sites? There was more than one explosion, and the explosions were not all at the site of the original blast.
Whatever was there, I doubt it was fresh mangosteens.
@Q
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/19/uk-boeing-britain-investigation-idUKKCN0QO1S720150819
Britain’s air safety investigator on Wednesday blamed a short-circuit involving a lithium-metal battery for a 2013 fire on a Boeing Co 787 Dreamliner parked at London’s Heathrow Airport and called for further scrutiny and testing of lithium batteries on all aircraft.
WIKI
CASTLE BRAVO
“It was practically identical to the “Runt” device later detonated in Castle Romeo,
but used partially enriched lITHIUM in the fusion fuel. Natural lITHIUM is a mixture of lithium-6 and lithium-7 isotopes (with 7.5% of the former). The enriched lITHIUM used in Bravo was approximately 40% lithium-6. The primary was a RACER IV tritium-boosted atomic bomb, specifically designed as a thermonuclear primary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo
Remember in the BINHAI eXplosions, the sheds were already alight before the main eXplosions, directly adjacent to the port fire station,
after the eXplosions the CHINESE sent in nuclear clear-up squads.
That is not to say there had been a nuclear eXplosion but there may have been chemical pre-cursors present in that yard.
BINHAI
“Cyanide in waters near China blast site 277 times acceptable level – government report”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/20/uk-china-blast-idUKKCN0QP0EP20150820
Reuters
“The Tianjin government announced on Wednesday that after days of investigations, they had determined the warehouses contained 2,500 tonnes of 40 types of dangerous goods, classified into three categories, according to the official Xinhua news agency.
There were 1,300 tonnes of potentially explosive oxidising chemicals, including ammonium nitrate and potassium nitrate, 500 tonnes of flammables, including sodium and magnesium, and 700 tonnes of deadly poisons, mainly sodium cyanide.”
You could not make that up.
Utter madness
I see I’m not the only one wondering if the Boeing warning was the direct result of a bulk shipment of lithium-ion batteries on MH370.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/maxwell-technologies-and-tianjin-lishen-battery-to-introduce-hybrid-energy-storage-solutions-combining-ultracapacitors-and-li-ion-batteries-59867737.html
http://fortune.com/2015/07/20/boeing-fire-lithium-batteries/
Correct link.
The ICAO may be stepping in to ban bulk shipments of lithium-ion batteries from passenger airlines in the near future. Cargo plane pilots would like the same protection.
http://theloadstar.co.uk/cargo-pilots-call-for-ban-as-boeing-warns-airlines-of-lithium-ion-battery-dangers/
Observers will note that the infamous Malaysia Airlines MH370 plane that went missing last year carried a shipment of 5,400 pounds worth of lithium-ion batteries, as detailed in investigations. That plane, which still has yet to be found, was a Boeing 777 airliner carrying 293 passengers and crew members.
CHINESE emergency workers raced to put out four new fires that had broken out close to the site where two massive BINHAI eXplosions in a warehouse storing dangerous chemicals killed 114 people last week, the official Xinhua news agency said on Friday.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150821-four-new-fires-break-out-site-chinas-tianjin-blast-chemicals
“Local officials have been hard-pressed to explain why authorities permitted hazardous goods warehouses so close to residential complexes and critical infrastructure, clearly in violation of the Chinese rule that hazmat storage should be 1,000 meters (yards) away from homes and public structures.
In the wake of the disaster, more than 200 nuclear and biochemical experts from the Chinese military have been deployed to Tianjin.
The United Nations’ top expert on human rights and hazardous materials, Rapporteur Baskut Tuncak, has criticised China for a “tragic” lack of transparency on the blasts and said more timely information could have “perhaps even prevented this disaster”.
CHINESE authorities investigate mass fish death near BINHAI, Tianjin explosion site
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/21/chinese-authorities-investigate-mass-fish-death-near-tianjin-explosion-site
Once the precise cause of the die-off was established it would be announced to society “immediately,” Deng added.
@Q what do you think about this story ?
http://www.thehuntformh370.info/content/was-disappearance-mh370-cia-false-flag-operation
MH 370 : à Balma, l’enquête technique est bouclée
Publié le 21/08/2015 à 07:42, Mis à jour le 21/08/2015 à 08:10
http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2015/08/21/2162976-mh-370-a-balma-l-enquete-technique-est-bouclee.html
@MN: Impossible fresh mangosteens and other stuff in those uninspected cargo crates, or something more important?
Given the amount of secrecy and ridiculous “interviews” with the packers of the impossible fresh fruit, whatever it was, it certainly wasn’t fresh mangosteens. And who knows what may have been in the other uninspected crates?
Malaysia’s man Najib Razak got $700 million for some reason, deposited into his personal account from some Middle East entity. That’s the dark horse.