I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
This Chinese thing is going to reverberate around the world.
“Indian carmaker Tata Motors Ltd (TAMO.NS) said on Friday many of the 5,800 Jaguar and Land Rover vehicles it had at Tianjin port in China were likely to have been damaged in the recent chemical explosion that killed more than a hundred people.”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/21/uk-china-blast-jaguar-lnd-rover-idUKKCN0QQ14S20150821
One of the questions to be asked by foreign firms, getting their stuff manufactured in CHINA
on the cheap
is it worth it?
http://jeffwise.net/
Pink, I don’t know if you’ve tried clearing your cache to get into Jeff Wise’s site, or if a different browser will take you there. They’re discussing the information posted on the last page of this thread by Michael Norton. In brief:
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French Report: Investigators Can’t Link Reunion Flaperon to MH370
COMMENT
A couple of observations from me, JW:
I find it odd that a piece of random debris would happen to have exactly neutral buoyancy, as floating for months just below the ocean surface would require. Unless it was tethered…
Reader @Jay raises the question: “What about the maintenance seal that Malaysia claimed 100% linked the part to MH370?” Likewise, no mention is made of the discrepencies that Boeing and NTSB officials reportedly found between the flaperon and Malaysia Airlines maintenance records, according to the New York Times. Hopefully the French will soon issue a report clearing up these issues.”
@MN: Another question may be:
“One of the questions to be asked of foreign aircraft manufacturers, is getting their airplanes/components manufactured in CHINA on the cheap worth it?”
@ Q
precisely my meaning.
How could you after this series of incidents ever trust the CHINESE again.
You would be bonkers to have aircraft made there just because they are a bit cheaper.
@Q JW site is not loading it has not loaded all week I did the usual troubleshoot stuff and moved browsers it refuses to do anything not sure what I can do to get it to work so I am missing all the new chat .
Reuters
“More than 100 chemical firms across seven provinces have been told to shut down or suspend operations due to safety violations in recent days”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/22/uk-china-blast-idUKKCN0QR06C20150822
The Sichuan and Tianjin disasters illustrate how such corruption can turn out to be lethal. But the bigger point is that incidents like the Tianjin explosion pull back the curtain and reveal how China really functions.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/corruption-in-china-the-tianjin-explosion-offers-a-glimpse-of-how-the-country-really-works-10466255.html
Corruption is endemic. Officials the length and breadth of the country have used their position to extort money for personal profit. Corruption is very much a family business in China. Those in a position to steal often use family members to invest the proceeds on their behalf. And family members, in turn, often use their official connections to do further lucrative business deals.
The economy’s structure makes corruption easy. Every property and land development deal in recent years has presented an opportunity to skim. And lots of these deals have taken place because state-owned banks have been told to lend hundreds of billions of dollars to developers to keep the country’s growth rate up.
So the question is:
is it ethical to do business in CHINA?
Plane crash England
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34027260
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/6132/production/_85128842_planecrashshorehamairport5.jpg
Hawker Hunter
Another chemical plant eXplosion in CHINA
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-34029202
An explosion has been reported at a chemical plant in China’s eastern province of Shandong.
Large flames could be seen from the site of the blast in Zibo County.
The BBC mentions Japan and the 70th anniversary of the end of WWII in your link about the Shandong explosion. Maybe this is why:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weixian_Internment_Camp
Are they trying to connect dots:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin#Second_Sino-Japanese_War
And now, an explosion in Japan, on a U.S. military base.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/huge-explosions-army-base-japan-6306696
CINA
accidents waiting to happen
“As far back as 2009, Chemical Industry News, a local industry publication, reported that many of China’s chemical warehouses were old and likely to have safety problems,
and many others were likely operating without licences.
Products made in China mostly compete on costs, said Paul Pang, vice-president of IHS Chemical.
In some cases,
safety and environment may be compromised if the cost pressures are too high.”
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/08/24/uk-tianjin-blast-safety-idUKKCN0QT04C20150824
No surprize there.
It does make me wonder about the ethics of doing business with CHINA,
just because stuff is cheap, cheap, cheap
is that good enough?
A large fire has broken out at a steel plant near HANEDA airport south of
the JAPENESE
capital, Tokyo.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34037337
Now CHINA plans to rip off pensioners to support stock market,
Robert Maxwell, eat your heart out.
£350 billion available.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34033208
At long last
MH 370 Flaperon news
BREAKING
Disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370:
Investigators Fail to Link Reunion Aircraft Debris to MH370
http://www.globalresearch.ca/disappearance-of-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-investigators-fail-to-link-reunion-aircraft-debris-to-mh370/5471122
Experts from the Directorate General of Armaments have finished surveying the flaperon found on Reunion Island. Nothing certifies that it belongs to MH370!
In Balma, near Toulouse, technical analysis of the wing flaperon that is believed to belong to the Malaysia Airlines Boeing has ended. Engineers from Toulous have brought forth their conclusions to the Paris Prosecutor’s Office, in charge of the judicial inquiry. At the moment, none of their observations have been linked. “The team, tasked by French officials with examining the flaperon, concluded the first phase of its inspection work”, announced the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) located in Sydney.
I think that just means the FRENCH
do not want to be definite?
So Najib Razak scooped the French with his 1:30 a.m. press conference weeks ago, proclaiming that the flaperon belonged to 9M-MRO, and now it’s doesn’t (categorically)? Looks like the cynics were right about him using it as a distraction from that $700-million 1MBH-BS. Do we get to watch him eat crow?
All the world’s a circus and Malaysia sends in the clowns.
That’s not just any steel plant, Michael Norton. It happens to be owned by a company that sold an interest in its ziconium production facility to AREVA/CEZUS. See al-Hilli thread for links. Are any or all of these recent fires intended to negatively affect the nuclear industry? The factory near Haneda Airport produced steel pipes.
What don’t we know about all the fires and explosions?
What was really in the cargo hold of MH370? Who were the people on the passenger manifest in real life?
Steel pipes for the nuclear industry in countries such as China:
http://www.nssmc.com/en/news/old_smi/2009/news2009-09-10.html
They’re just steel pipes, so what does the Haneda fire have to do with anything?
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C-Sumitomo_Metals_boosts_tube_output-1204105.html
“Swiss bank”: Where have I heard that before at CM?
http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/b877e1fe-4969-11e5-9b5d-89a026fda5c9.html
http://www.icij.org/project/swiss-leaks/banking-giant-hsbc-sheltered-murky-cash-linked-dictators-and-arms-dealers
But what will the investigation of the Falcon Bank find?
If the 1MDB was used to launder money for some terrorist organization, would that shed a different light on the downing of MH370? It could get messy. Better for Malaysia to close the case now, as preventive damage control.
Another aircraft down
CANADA
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34047797
If I have the right lady she worked here according to linkedin.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/H%C3%A9liconcept/164699367049496
TADOUSSAC | The seaplane that crashed Sunday near Bergeronnes on the North Shore, nosed upright on a rock and burst into flames, said the Bureau of Transportation Safety Board (TSB) Monday.
http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2015/08/24/ecrasement-sur-la-cote-nord-lidentite-dune-des-victimes-maintenant-connue
Death toll from Tianjin port explosions rises to 129
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/08/25/00/25/china-blast-death-toll-rises-to-129#OYYKjWKdsbzmXLxP.99
The owners of the hazardous goods storage company at the centre of the incident, Rui Hai International Logistics, reportedly included the son of a former police chief who used his connections to help the company obtain the necessary permits and pass inspections.
The blasts have also sparked fears of toxic pollutants contaminating the air and water of the city, which has a population of about 15 million people.
Just up the river from that crash is this company, MN, in La Baie (aka Saguenay). The municipality uses CFB Bagotville as its airport.
http://www.cobalt-aircraft.com/
http://www.azurhelico.com/
Oh, look, MN. This company does the French Alps.
Now back to MH370.