I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
A couple of days ago, there was yet another mysterious incident with a British Airways Boeing 777 involving a full on landing emergency at Heathrow, London, England.
Yet NOWHERE in the press do they give the number of that aircraft?
The BA292 flight departed from Dulles International Airport near Washington DC.
http://airflightdisaster.com/index.php/british-airways-jet-makes-emergency-landing-at-heathrow-airport/
It’s a 777. Reporting has sunken to such a low level that news outlets don’t even bother to report the basics.
I wonder if it was the same plane discussed here:
http://www.pprune.org/questions/345931-5th-october-ba292-missed-approach.html
Curiouser and curiouser: security concerns over BA292 in the past. Virginia.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/print.main?id=1967289
More about a BA292 “ghost flight” and freight. Let me guess: fresh mangosteens.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/225350
Maybe there is a clue in from where the 777 came from:
Dulles International Airport near Washington DC?
It makes you wonder
who was on the 777?
http://www.aeroinside.com/item/6304/british-airways-b772-near-london-on-sep-11th-2015-hydraulic-failure
The772 is ICAO code for 777-200. These incidents are racking up lately, perhaps as these planes reach a certain age.
How about this one: debris blocking vents causes flight crew to feel unwell, doors to cockpit left open for air circulation, with cabin crew as guards.
http://www.aeroinside.com/item/5408/british-airways-b772-enroute-on-mar-6th-2015-cockpit-temperature-control-and-air-flow-problem
Did MH370 have the ozone filtering option?
http://avherald.com/h?article=45d588a2
So, what would be the problem showing a picture of the innocent Sylvain Mollier?
Does Malaysia read NOTAM? Does the US?? [“we are full-spectrum dominant”]
http://neurope.eu/article/russian-military-buildup-in-syria-continues/
Russia has issued an international alert in the middle-east for this week as it prepares to fight Al’Qaida & IS/ISIS/ISIL/Da’esh (and presumably anyone else wandering by)
This interesting some more parts washed up ,early chatter in MH370
facebook page about what they are.
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/dhivehi/news/177318
https://www.facebook.com/groups/MH370InSearchOfTheTruth/
A military plane flew for an hour an area 70km off the meeting after the report of a white object floating in the sector by the crew of an Air France flight, but without seeing anything, said Tuesday prefect of Reunion.
The pilot of AF642 flight linking Paris to Reunion made his report “today at 9:38” while he was at “3,000 m”. He “noted a white spot on the surface of the sea in the north of Reunion Island, 35 nautical miles,” said the prefecture in a first statement.
The prefect of Reunion then asked the Armed Forces of the southern zone of the Indian Ocean (FAZSOI) to conduct a survey of the area using a CASA-type aircraft starting from 15:30 (13:30 Paris ) to “perform a removal of doubt.”
“For an hour, the plane flew at low altitude research area established from the initial observation point and taking into account the drift calculation. Search conditions were very favorable but nothing has been seen during this flight, “said the prefect in a second statement.
On July 29, a wing debris was found on the shore of the French island in the Indian Ocean. He was identified by the prosecutor of Paris as belonging “with certainty” in flight MH370 Malaysia Airlines.
At the request of the Cross (operational regional monitoring centers and rescue) a commercial vessel, Raga, diverted and went there.
Despite favorable sea conditions, nothing has been spotted in the area. “No distress call was launched in the sector over the past 24 hours,” also specifies the prefecture.
By his description, the crew of Air France respected “NOTAM” (Notice to airmen – Notice to Airmen) issued direction on all flights Reunion – after the discovery of debris MH370 – to report any object floating at sea.
The flight MH 370 Malaysia connecting Kuala Lumpur and Beijing Boeing 777 disappeared Wed., March 8, 2014 with 239 people on board.
http://www.ledauphine.com/france-monde/2015/09/15/un-objet-blanc-flottant-apercu-au-large-de-la-reunion
The part numbers appear to be from a drone so they are saying.
“By the EID code UHK97000-12, it looks like it comes from a General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper:”
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/565335-flaperon-washes-up-reunion-island-40.html
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/dhivehi/news/177318
I suppose someone will know if they have lost a drone around there I wonder what it was doing and who it belonged too.
Airbus said it had won orders for 382 aircraft over that period, compared to 325 for Boeing
http://www.euronews.com/2015/09/14/airbus-opens-first-american-plant-in-mobile-alabama/
So AIRBUS now being made in the United States of America,
let’s see how Boeing likes that.
Stick your 777
Well…. if true, they’ll have to be fast !
The approach inbound is “North” of Reunion.
At about 10,000 feet you’d be North East of the island
If the “object” spotted came from the West, it has (already) past Reunion to the North of the island.
Which means it should hit Madagascar (in theory) in a week or three.
Then again…. there’s Africa in the way after that.
I’m fully expecting that animated penguins of Madagascar were at fault for the whole disappearing plane thing.
http://www.france24.com/en/20150914-airbus-new-plant-alabama-mobile-europe-plane-maker-boeing
Airbus believe they could sell 5,000 extra Airbus aircraft in the U.S.A.
over the next 20 years.
I wonder how the Boeing plant and the Airbus plant in Tianjin,
are getting on?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Tianjin_explosions
This link was on the FB page it seems they have lost a few drones along the way .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/drone-crashes-mount-at-civilian-airports-overseas/2012/11/30/e75a13e4-3a39-11e2-83f9-fb7ac9b29fad_story.html
Remember the early days?
http://drgauravpradhan.blogspot.ca/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-mh370-crash-planned.html?m=1
Repeat after me: mangosteens are in season all year round. Mangosteens were in the cargo hold of MH370. Now drink the purple Kool-Aid.
This is one very long wiki page more like a book a fascinating tale of a hi-jack .
D. B. Cooper is a media epithet popularly used to refer to an unidentified man who hijacked a Boeing 727 aircraft in the airspace between Portland, Oregon, and Seattle, Washington, on November 24, 1971, extorted $200,000 in ransom (equivalent to $1,160,000 in 2015), and parachuted to an uncertain fate. Despite an extensive manhunt and an ongoing FBI investigation, the perpetrator has never been located or positively identified. The case remains the only unsolved air piracy in American aviation history….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper
PING!
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), has set a deadline for November 2016 for airlines to install tracking technology.
The executive arm of the EU, the European Commission, is set to approve plans to mandate flight tracking from take-off to landing on new aircraft from 2018, without specifying an interval for position updates.
ICAO, on the other hand, would require aircraft to provide position information every 15 minutes when over ocean or remote areas.
EU member states signed off on the new measures in July and the European Parliament has until Oct. 27 to raise any objections, a Commission spokesman said.
Once the deadline has passed the regulation will be formally adopted and airlines will have three years to install tracking devices. However, existing aircraft without the technology will not have to be retrofitted.
Technical details for the tracking technology, such as the position update intervals, will be prepared later by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA), two EU officials said.
Sources say EASA is leaning towards a three minute interval.
G-CELD
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-34284468
Jet2 emergency landing:
“We thought it was the end, say passengers on plane seen with flames coming from engine”
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jet2-emergency-landing-we-thought-10079831
Curious story
“The aircraft had left Aachen-Merbrück (EDKA) for a local flight at about 16:00 LT. It is unknown whether the pilot was alone or accompanied by a passenger.
About one hour later the aircraft impacted a field near Mechernich-Bergheim and was destroyed. Witnesses immediately rushed to help and extinguished a fire, but to their surprise did not find any pilot inside the wreckage.
Police and rescue services started an extensive search of the area and surrounding woods. However, they were unable to locate the pilot or any potential passenger. The search and resuce operation was stopped after 24h without success.
Police assumes the pilot had jumped from the aircraft. His fate is unknown.”
http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=179620
http://www.rundschau-online.de/eifelland/flugzeugabsturz-mechernich-sote,16064602,31829122.html
I typed in the web address on plane
http://www.westflug.de/
@ MN Someone took a video of the jet2 plane on its approach to Manchester
https://twitter.com/MatthewBaugh92/status/644505839722754048
A Jet2.com Boeing 737-300, registration G-CELD (our reports database features 0 other incidents for the same aircraft, Jet2 has been listed 22 times within our reports database) performing flight LS-804 from Barcelona,SP (Spain) to Manchester,EN (UK) with 144 passengers, was on approach to Manchester’s runway 23L when the right hand engine (CFM56) ingested a bird and suffered repeated compressor stalls. The crew went around from about 1200 feet and entered a hold shutting the engine down, positioned for another approach and landed safely about 20 minutes later.
Ground observers reported the engine was emitting unusual noise, repeated thuds, smoke and streaks of flame were emitted from the engine.
http://www.aeroinside.com/item/6325/jet2-b733-at-manchester-on-sep-17th-2015-bird-strike
At the time of writing, the aircraft type Boeing 737-300 is being featured at least 142 times.
so again a two engine Boeing
and again not a Rolls Royce engine.
http://www.cfmaeroengines.com/press/cfm-order-backlog-continues-strong-growth-in-2015/803
so it looks like the engine was made in
FRANCE
CFM International (CFM), the world’s leading supplier of commercial aircraft, is a 50/50 joint company between Snecma (Safran) and GE. Since the entry into service of the first CFM56 engine in 1982, 28 000 have been delivered and the fleet of this engine, the most reliable in the world, has accumulated 750 million flying hours. To produce these engines, CFM is based on GE’s production capacity and Snecma which constitute the most international and most successful Supply Chain of the aircraft engine industry.
http://parisairforum.latribune.fr/intervenants_2015/jean-paul-ebanga/