I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Pink,
yes it was well done.
Very shocking it was an ENGLISH RR engine that blew up.
Do you mean Sylvain Mollier’s baseball cap on the dashboard of Saad al Hilli’s family van, Pink?
We are supposed to believe that the AREVA connection is not central to that story, Pink, remember?
And that Eastern European guy in the suit at the campground? Oh,that was nothing. Everyone camps in a suit and takes planes to go camping, or what have you.
The baseball cap camera just struck me its one of our many props ,
that story could have been written for the other thread with its grey bmw and bank visits we need to find a road side seller, I am reminded of Sys and Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy I liked his musings .
Some new barnacle whispering for you Q and its worth reading the tail end of the previous thread .
http://jeffwise.net/2015/10/09/the-flaperon-flotation-riddle/#comments
http://jeffwise.net/2015/10/03/guest-post-on-the-possible-interpretation-of-abnormal-bfo-values/#comments
Police receive report on wreckage believed to be MH370 found in southern Philippines
http://english.astroawani.com/malaysia-news/police-receive-report-wreckage-believed-be-mh370-found-southern-philippines-76029
Another source still nothing official though will have to wait and see whether its true, on the face of it I don’t see what else it can be unless the witness is lying.
http://mynewshub.cc/2015/10/10/polis-sabah-siasat-kesahihan-bangkai-mh370-ditemui/#gs.yPYJppc
Doesn’t look the busiest place.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@5.4039527,120.3830996,202m/data=!3m1!1e3
If you move right as you look at it there is a clearing in the wood
right on the corner I haven’t got good enough resolution to see what it is could just be logging but no obvious path .
I have had someone check the clearing and they say there is nothing there.
Useful map of missing planes posted on reddit by CopperNickus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11456181/Mapped-One-year-on-from-MH370-all-the-planes-which-have-disappeared-since-1948.html
Lufthansa paying something to some relatives of German Wings incident,
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/world/europe/for-families-of-germanwings-victims-anger-burns-through-grief.html
I am seeing on twitter that the google earth images on link I posted are from 2013 so not much use.
Pink if it is true that wreakage from MH 370 was found in THE PHILLIPINES
then something rather fishy has been going on?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34483989
1MDB should be prosecuted, says Malaysia Central Bank
Well MN judging by the quietness of the press its not looking likely .
Just seen this one.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/10/11/Philippines-Malaysian-flag/
Done a bit of cheking
The guy quoted in yesterdays story in Astroawani seems to be real.
The news channel seems to be real so I have no idea whats going on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astro_Awani
http://english.astroawani.com/malaysia-news/police-receive-report-wreckage-believed-be-mh370-found-southern-philippines-76029
“Datuk Jalaludin Abdul Rahman confirmed receiving a report and said investigations will be carried out.
KUALA LUMPUR: Sabah police have confirmed they received a report on Saturday of an aircraft wreckage that was found on a southern Philippine island.
Sabah police chief, Datuk Jalaludin Abdul Rahman in a statement released late Saturday, confirmed receiving the report and said investigations will be carried out.”
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1097698
Posted on 30 June 2014 –
“KOTA KINABALU: Former Kelantan police chief Datuk Jalaluddin Abdul Rahman has been appointed as Sabah Police Commissioner, replacing Datuk Hamza Taib who will assume the post of Commercial Crime Investigation deputy director in Bukit Aman.
The handing over of duties held at the Sabah police contingent headquarters was witnessed by Bukit Aman Internal Security and Public Order director Datuk Seri Salleh Mat Rashid today.
Jalaluddin in his address, pledged to lead and enhance the state Royal Malaysian Police (PDRM)’s image with full commitment.”
No rush then .
http://www.nst.com.my/news/2015/10/police-await-philippine-confirmation-claims-plane-wreckage
“KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian police are awaiting confirmation from the Philippine authorities on a woman’s claims that she found an aircraft wreckage at Sugbay Island in Tawi Tawi province with Malaysian flag in it. The Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar said Malaysian police have contacted its counterparts in the Philippines to check on the claims. “For now we could not confirm the claims as we are awaiting confirmation from our counterparts. “It will take a day or two before the claims could be verified,” he told reporters.”
KOTA KINABALU: Sabah police have received a report claiming that an aircraft wreckage with the Malaysian flag painted on it was found on a southern Philippines island.
The report was made by a man who said the wreckage with human remains inside was spotted by his nephew, from the southern Philippine island of Tawi Tawi, at Ubian Island in southern Phillippines several days ago.
State Commissioner Datuk Jalaluddin Abdul Rahman said the man made the report at the Sandakan police station on Saturday.
“This matter is being investigated,” he told The Star in a text message.
In the report the man, an audio visual technician in his 40s, said his nephew and a few others were hunting for birds when they spotted the wreckage on the island.
They managed to get near the wreckage where they found human bones. They also found skeletal remains in the pilot’s chair with the seat belt fastened.
Before leaving the area, they took a flag they found in the wreckage.
The man said he informed police as the wreckage could be that of an airplane that disappeared last year.
Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 disappeared in March last year en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 239 passengers and crew on board, most of them China nationals.
The incident triggered one of the largest search for an aircraft focusing in the Southern Indian Ocean.
Last month, French authorities confirmed a piece of wing found on the shore of Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean has been identified as part of the MH370 wreckage.
The flaperon was found on the shore of the French-governed island on July 29 and Malaysian authorities have said paint colour and maintenance-record matches proved it came from the missing Boeing 777 aircraft.
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015/10/10/mh370-man-claims-found-part-of-wreckage-in-south-philippnes-island/
Tawi-Tawi is 7,595 km from Reunion Island
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/1578147
If this turns out to be true, why have the Australian people been looking to the West of Australia for over a year?
update
http://english.astroawani.com/malaysia-news/claims-aircraft-wreckage-sugbay-island-fuels-speculation-76095
You would have thought that the Philipine authorities would have airlifted a crew onto the isle straight away, because although it is unlikely to be MH370 it is still a downed aircraft full of dead people.
MN I have seen someone on the nearby island saying the area has problems with armed people on island and kidnappings ,pirates, etc so they need to be sure its not a trap he said a policeman has been kidnaped before .
March 04, 2015
http://thediplomat.com/2015/03/malaysian-peacekeepers-could-face-toughest-challenge-yet/
“As The Diplomat has reported previously, the Philippine government and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front reached a peace deal in March last year which signaled a potential end to nearly a half-century of bloody conflict. But just as the current government led by President Benigno Aquino was about to move forward with passing a key enabling law this year, the Philippine national police suffered one of the highest casualties in its history following a major clash in MILF territory. In response, the Philippine legislature has suspended hearings on the Bangsamoro Basic Law, and the army is now in the midst of an offensive against an MILF splinter group called the Bangsamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters.
In his remarks, Zulkifeli reportedly reiterated the fact that there are two circumstances where the IMT can be recalled: first, when either the Philippine government or the MILF stops heeding IMT’s advice; and, second, when the safety and security of IMT members is jeopardized.
“My concern is that, in order to derail this mission, the detractors may try to make the situation unsafe for IMT’s mission, especially in areas like Tawi-Tawi and Sulu, among others,” NST quoted him as saying.”
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/specialreports/mh370/news/kidnappers-demand-us-11m/1066848.html
The island they seem to think it is is tiny I would have thought a flyover would confirm whether something was there ,of course it may not be the right island we have ,from the picture I saw yesterday looking across to it I don’t see how you could miss a plane crashing there.
Mindanao
MH370 found in Mindanao
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/611361/MH370-Plane-wreckage-with-pilot-SKELETON-and-Malaysian-Airlines-colours-found
AFP: No MH370 wreckage in Tawi-Tawi
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/129486/afp-no-mh370-wreckage-in-tawi-tawi
Having said there are no MH370 remains.
They need to first make sure they are looking in the correct island?
Then they need to get out of their boat and walk the island, methodically.
or just not bother.
Russia summoned Britain’s defence attache in Moscow to explain reports that RAF pilots had been authorised to shoot down Russian aircraft in the Middle East
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34502545
Not sounding promising if there is any truth it has Malaysian airline colours as in this story then it would almost certainly be the right plane but it sounding less likely as time goes the by flipping island is tiny .
http://www.ibtimes.com/flight-mh370-search-philippine-officials-say-locals-unaware-reported-wreckage-linked-2136684
“The Navy has circled the island and asked the fishermen there but they said they haven’t seen anything,” Elizalde Quiboyen, police chief of Tawi-Tawi province, told International Business Times in a phone interview. Tawi-Tawi includes the Sugbay and Ubian islands, where wreckage and human remains were reportedly found.
“The search is continuous. The people have been called. The village chiefs have been called,” Quiboyen said, adding that his troops also went island to island on pump boats. “The local fishermen should know, but they can’t tell us anything.”
Malaysian authorities over the weekend said they had received reports of the find and were investigating it. The wreckage reportedly had Malaysian Airlines’ colors.
The flaperon tethered underwater? My goodness! And the plane “found”! Could it be that the government of Malaysia has known where MH370 was all along? Then maybe we should go back to the reports in the early days that were scoffed at the most: Mike McKay on the Songa Mercur comes to mind. Maybe MH370 was held for ransom after it crashed.
The past few days have been quite the show.