I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tiger_Line_Flight_739
Flying Tiger Line Flight 739 was a Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation propliner chartered by the United States military that disappeared on March 16, 1962, over the Western Pacific Ocean. The aircraft was transporting 93 US soldiers and 3 South Vietnamese from Travis Air Force Base, California to Saigon, Vietnam. After refueling at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, the Super Constellation was en route to Clark Air Base in the Philippines when it disappeared. All 107 aboard were declared missing and presumed dead.
The airliner’s disappearance prompted one of the largest air and sea searches in the history of the Pacific. Aircraft and surface ships from four branches of the US military searched more than 200,000 square miles (520,000 km2) during the course of eight days. A civilian tanker observed what appeared to be an in-flight explosion believed to be the missing Super Constellation, though no trace of wreckage or debris was ever recovered. The Civil Aeronautics Board determined that, based on the tanker’s observations, Flight 739 probably exploded in-flight, though an exact cause could not be determined without examining the remnants of the aircraft.
To date, this remains the worst aviation accident involving the Lockheed Constellation series.
You have to wonder if seeing a rare bird is worth it:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/04/15/world/asia/promoting-tourism-on-beautiful-but-violent-tawi-tawi.html?referer=
Last month in the Southern Philippines, four more people were taken hostage. Their video plea for help was released by their kidnappers yesterday.
For now, it appears the rarest bird of all is nowhere to be seen: MH370.
Let’s take a look at this again:
http://fortune.com/2014/05/01/the-big-money-surprise-about-malaysia-airlines-flight-370/
“I can tell you without a doubt,” says one attorney familiar with the finances of the case, “when it comes to hull insurance on this incident, the lienholders and the lessors have already been paid in full.”
How much? The plane had been written down from its list price of $261 million to about $100 million. But it was likely insured for full replacement value. (“I know of no airline that does not insure its aircraft for full replacement value,” says Peter Schmitz, CEO of global aviation for Aon.) The deductible was likely small, as is typical these days — the deductible on the Costa Concordia ship that was wrecked in Italy in 2012, for example, was 10% of the value of the ship. If Malaysia Airlines paid a deductible in the neighborhood of 10% of the list price of the plane, or $26 million, it would have received a payment north of $200 million. And that’s recorded as income on the books….
But in the case of MH370, unless they find the airplane, the cockpit voice recorder, and the flight data recorder — and those devices can categorically prove terrorism or some other form of negligence — there’s a distinct possibility these families will get little or nothing above the standard $175,000. This crash, Alpert says, “might turn out to be very inexpensive.”
IMO, there is no incentive to find MH370. The airline has already gotten its $200 million plus. The hull insurance company is the same one that covers liability insurance. Minimizing losses would seem to be the logical route.
Allianz is also the hull and liability insurer for the crashed Germanwing.
http://www.intelligentinsurer.com/news/allianz-leads-coverage-on-germanwings-plane-5203
Then there’s MH17.
http://www.businessinsurance.com/article/20140803/NEWS07/308039982
http://piblaw.com/blog/insurance-implications-surrounding-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17/
I wonder what happened to the hull insurance payout money for MH370. Maybe Najib Razak could tell us.
One more notable aviation hit for Allianz:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/29/indonesia-airplane-insurance-idUSL3N0UD1P120141229
Very interesting Q
Malaysia gets paid out in half a week, relatives can swing.
No real incentive to locate MH370
They can’t get away with the one that crashed in the FRENCH ALPS though, can they?
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/sabah-police-gets-report-claiming-plane-wreck-with-malaysian-flag-found-on-philippine
@Michael Norton 7:21 pm: So the flag was painted on the plane in yet another variant of the “found MH370” story from the “Isles of Abduction”. It’s like the telephone game, where the story keeps going around in a circle, until the person who started the whispers doesn’t recognize it when it comes out the other end. That’s what this story is doing now: coming out the other end.
Its all a little odd I first saw this report on the 11th I wonder what prompted the reporter to ask the police for confirmation ,the news outlet and the people seem to be real I wonder if they were tipped off or if there was some earlier reporting and they followed it up.
Datuk Jalaludin Abdul Rahman confirmed receiving a report and said investigations will be carried out. – File Photo
KUALA LUMPUR: Sabah police have confirmed they received a report on Saturday of an aircraft wreckage that was found on a southern Philippine island.
Sabah police chief, Datuk Jalaludin Abdul Rahman in a statement released late Saturday, confirmed receiving the report and said investigations will be carried out.
The report was lodged at the Sandakan police station by Jamil Omar on Friday.
According to Jalaludin, Jamil claimed his aunt Siti Kayam had stumbled upon the aircraft wreckage on Sugbay Island, Tawi-Tawi.
“Jamil claimed his aunt had entered the aircraft wreckage which had many human skeletons and bones. She also found a Malaysian flag measuring 70 inches long and 35 inches wide,” he said.
He said, the Special Branch will record a statement from Jamil to obtain more information regarding the find.
Jalaludin however stressed, the information received has yet to be verified.
http://english.astroawani.com/malaysia-news/police-receive-report-wreckage-believed-be-mh370-found-southern-philippines-76029
I was reading the comments in the daily mail story about Tim Akers and on one of them it said “George RR Martin is that you ” so I looked him up he could be Tim Akers bro 🙂
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2617647/British-marine-archaeologist-claims-flight-MH370-3-000-miles-search-zone-spotting-debris-painted-colours-Malaysia-Airlines.html#comments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._R._Martin
This article does an excellent job of revealing the extent of the bungling, infighting, interference and sabre-rattling between various factions at the outset of the MH370 affair. Najib Razak clearly had his hands in it from day one. Unidentified planes allowed to wander freely over Malaysian airspace? Sure, why not? It makes as much sense as military radar that only works bankers’ hours.
Has the amount of chaos and confusion surrounding ATC in Malaysia ever been corrected? If so, no one knows. And so the opportunity to learn from its mistakes is completely lost on this country. It would almost seem that ATC, and maybe even the Malaysian military, was told to look the other way, or maybe paid to do so. It’s sheer incompetence that has no other explanation, IMO.
It takes me back to the early days in March 2014, when everyone was asking what or who was on that plane.
http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com//news/world/malaysian-military-withheld-radar-data-on-flight-mh370-as-nations-searched-wrong-area-sources-say
Two new Lockerbie suspects identified: SCOTTISH police want to question LIBYAN pair over the plane bombing that killed 270 people in 1988
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3274359/Two-new-Lockerbie-suspects-identified-Scottish-police-want-question-Libyan-pair-plane-bombing-killed-270-people-1988.html
Scottish police have identified the suspects in the ongoing investigation into the downing of the Pan Am Flight 103, which occurred more than 25 years ago.
“SCOTTISH media named one of the two suspects as former intelligence chief Abdullah Senussi, who was sentenced to death in July for crimes during the 2011 uprising against Moamer Kadhafi. Senussi has been in custody in Libya since 2012.
The second person was named by Scottish media as Abu Agila Mas’ud, a bomb expert, who featured in a recent US documentary by Ken Dornstein, the brother of one of the Lockerbie victims. He is also reportedly in LIBYAN custody.”
http://www.france24.com/en/20151015-two-new-suspects-identified-over-1988-lockerbie-bombing-libya
nearly a week on there does not seem to be any news about the plane wreck with dead bodies being investigated?
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/29808827/plane-full-of-skeletons-the-mystery-plane-discovered-in-the-philippines/
If I were anything to do with the Philippine authorities I would get hold of these teenage boys and get them to take me to the crashed aircraft.
Then, there would either be a crashed aircraft or there would not be a crashed aircraft.
If there was a crashed aircraft, you could then ask for eXperts to be called.
simples|!
I wonder in the disapearance of MH370 has got anything to do with CHINA making bases in the sea off Vietnam
http://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2015/sep/17/south-china-sea-images-reveal-impact-on-coral-of-beijings-military-bases
The longer it goes on with NO AUTHORITIES from either Malaysia or The Philippines speaking to the boys, who claimed to have discovered the aircraft
and searching for it,
the more it SMELLS OF FISH?
@Q Whats the mention of paragliding harnesses about any idea ,I get what Fugro is doing just wonder why it prompted that remark ?
jeffwise
Posted October 17, 2015 at 10:46 AM
@Victor, Curioser and curioser! If they find paragliding harnesses I’m going to buy you a case of whatever you want…
http://jeffwise.net/2015/10/09/the-flaperon-flotation-riddle/#comments
I guess this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34558887
might be a reason why after one week nobody has actually ( apparently)
spoken with the teenage boys,
who claimed to have found a wrecked aircraft with bodies.
lump of wing falls off Airbus, diverted to Manchester
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3277893/Monarch-Airlines-flight-Malaga-forced-turn-Manchester-aircraft-WING-hanging-off.html
This drone seems to have survived being shot down rather well some disagreement as to who’s it is .
http://www.airlive.net/2015/10/breaking-unidentified-aircraft-has-been.html
How can you warn a robot?
It is very small, like a childs model aircraft?
A predator drone is a bit bigger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Atomics_MQ-1_Predator#/media/File:MQ-1_Predator_P1230014.jpg
In a bizarre and terrifying incident, a 24-year-old man has died on a Dublin-bound flight after “running amok,” and biting another passenger. The crew described him as being, “extremely violent.”
The Aer Lingus flight took off from Lisbon, Portugal and was en route to Dublin, Ireland.
All of a sudden a man “ran amok” across the cabin, bit a fellow passenger and had to be restrained by the crew. He injured “one or two passengers.”
The crew had to broadcast an emergency ‘Pan Pan’ message three times and told air traffic controllers about the incident, before making an unscheduled landing at Cork airport.
https://www.rt.com/news/319037-flight-biting-passenger-dead/
After being restrained, the man fell unconscious. He soon lost his pulse and was pronounced dead at Cork airport. There was a doctor onboard, but he could not help.
The body of the 24-year-old has been transported to Cork University Hospital for a post-mortem examination, the Irish Mirror reported.
Industry leaders are predicting continued strong growth in aviation careers, anything from airplane pilots and helicopter pilots to maintenance technicians for aviation companies to avoid this type of incident.
I think this is what it means, Pink:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/178346
Note Malaysia connection with this one:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/captured-hamas-operative-reveals-paragliding-attack-plan/
I am a little confused by the report of the Dutch into the MH17 Crash.
Are they saying it was definitely a BUK surface to air missile
and not air to air missile
fired from the land surface of UKRAINE to MH17
but they do not say who fired it or why?
https://www.rt.com/in-vision/318605-dutch-probe-report-mh17/
@Q However did you work that out no wonder I was confused it’s a bit random,funny enough when we were looking at paragliding on the other thread I was watching some you tube videos and watched a couple of lads in Iran drive up this big mountain type place and paraglide off thought it was fascinating at the time I have never seen Iranian countryside ,I was trying to work out what sort of marks the equipment makes to see if it could have caused the “gouges” in the car park and got sidetracked into watching videos as you do .
I was slightly taken aback to see paragliding equipment has to be smuggled in is there no one enterprising enough in Iran to make them in the first place lets face it any bit of equipment could be used if someone is intent on being a terrorist I don’t see how you can penalize the entire population who just want to do the sport but what do I know I would have thought anyone wanting to use one for nefarious reasons would just buy one on the outside.