I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Some people still have a bit of Oil money in the kitty
surely RR can equip some of those?
Rouhani will be in Rome over the w/e then visiting France on Monday to start spending, (this presumably is secret Annex XX to the nuke agreement) France is among several European powers planning to lift economic sanctions on Iran in exchange for Airbus sales, sorry nuclear peace
Reprogramming ROLLS-ROYCE for a tougher marketplace will be harder. The profit “headwinds”, as East calls them, are getting stronger every time he sticks a wet finger in the air. July’s estimate of a £300m hit in 2016 has become £650m and the cold blasts are coming from every division.
Oil sheikhs, fretting about the oil price, and Russian oligarchs, with the additional worry of sanctions, are buying fewer corporate jets. Commercial airlines, also contemplating the low oil price, can delay investment in modern fuel-efficient engines. The Trent 700 engine, a lucrative earner of old, is suffering a painful end to its working life, with orders falling short on both price and quantity. In marine, it’s a predictable story of oil explorers and developers cutting capital expenditure and cancelling orders.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/nils-pratley-on-finance/2015/nov/12/rolls-royce-troubles-run-deep
Oil down 2 1/2 % today, now only $44 / barrel, they’ll be giving the black stuff away soon.
But the point is, oil is so cheap, why invest in more energy effiencient engines?
@Pink: Things like this are usually explained away as sunken ships, or passenger “fairies” (sic) or 210-foot sharks. You know — routine, everyday occurrences. Of course out-of-focus images mean the public can’t read identifying markers for themselves.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh370-3471012
I still wonder if anyone on a mobile sea base had trigger finger back in those volatile days for Malaysia. Sabah comes up, predating the claims of a mystery plane found by bird hunters.
http://thediplomat.com/2015/01/malaysia-eyes-submarine-base-expansion-near-south-china-sea/
More
Disappearing aircraft sales
BAE cuts 370 UK jobs as Typhoon fighter jet demand drops
https://www.rt.com/uk/321724-bae-typhoon-job-cuts/
With all this aircraft talk…what I find amazing is, no one has mentioned MetroJet ?
Here we have various “air investigators” who are COMPLETELY over shadowed by the United Kingdom’s “knee jerk” (lets say) reaction ….and yet not one scrap of evidence is presented ?
There was “chatter” from some group in Sinai to anther group in Syria, saying “well done” ? Is that what it was ???
Tony Blair and his “45 minute warning” would be impressed.
The fact is, Malaysian (whom I don’t trust) have been far more open (I cough here) than the British…about “air crashes”.
In MAS370 there are various “unexplained” technical details.
In MetroJet…. the Brits say “it was a bomb” ….and they haven’t seen the wreckage OR provide ONE PIECE of information to the public.
I see why people fly with me (As in “the company”. As is “private”), because personally… I am “shitting it” when I get onboard an airliner these days. I seriously am.
Those who remember the EU nation of Cyprus buying a Russian S-300 air-defence system, which was then ‘magically’ installed in Crete ( as NATO member Turkey kindly offered to bomb (southern) Cyprus (again) should the S-300 ever get installed near their airspace ) – well today’s Daily Mail suggests that Syria now has the S-400 “триумф” installed & working.
That’s RAF Akrotiri shut-down, even Tel-Aviv can’t launch a stealth sausage without Vlad knowing about it.
With all these ‘accidental leaks’ one might guess there was a war-porn pissing match underway?
Trident https://vimeo.com/145029572
Missile http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3316195/Vladimir-Putin-deploys-advanced-Growler-anti-aircraft-missile-Syria-able-hit-jets-altitude-90-000-feet-far-away-Tel-Aviv.html
Torpedo http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-12/russia-admits-tv-accidently-leaked-secret-nuke-torpedo-plans/6933432
https://www.rt.com/news/321766-china-islands-us-bombers/
Two US B-52 strategic bombers have flown near Chinese artificial islands in the South China Sea, ignoring calls to “get away” from Beijing’s airspace, the Pentagon said, claiming the “routine mission” was in accordance with international treaties.
The Pentagon points out that it regards the flights near the Chinese manmade islands as fully legitimate because from a US point of view, the airspace over the islands is a part of international airspace. The US military spokesman added that the B-52s did not get within 12 miles of the islands.
“We conduct B-52 flights in international airspace in that part of the world all the time,” Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook said at a news briefing. “There was one B-52 flight…there was an effort made by Chinese ground controllers to reach out to that aircraft and that aircraft continued its mission unabated. Nothing changed.”
The Chinese military contacted the bombers, urging them to “get away from our islands,” according to a US official who spoke to The Hill.
The overflight took place overnight on November 8-9, another Pentagon spokesman Bill Urban specified, saying there were two bombers conducting a “routine mission”.
The incident comes around two weeks after a serious incident involving the US destroyer USS Lassen, which sailed close to the artificial islands. China was extremely critical of the US Navy’s actions.
US Air Force apologises for using Maldivian airspace
http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/57569
Record oil glut stands at 3bn barrels
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34808487
Crude oil now dropped to $44 / barrel
RUSSIA plane crash: Moscow bans EGYPT Air flights after jet crash
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34811587
Russia’s state aviation authority has banned Egypt’s national carrier from flying to Russia, a Moscow airport spokesman says.
6 killed as UKRAINIAN civilian helicopter crashes in SLOVAKIA
A Ukrainian civilian helicopter has crashed in eastern Slovakia, killing six people, Reuters reported. The helicopter crashed near the border with Ukraine, a Slovak Interior Ministry spokesman said on Friday. The helicopter was detected on Wednesday as it entered Slovak airspace, but authorities only discovered the crash site on Friday, according to a Slovak newspaper report.
Russia Today
That last snipet sounds fishey
With all these intrusions into foreign air space, did anyone get a bit trigger-happy in March 2014?
I expect that the downing of MH370 will have something to do with the CHINESE building airstrips on coral reefs against the wishes of every other nation.
More bad news Paris is under attack , many people have been killed and hostages taken there is ongoing news on Sky ATM and #Paris .
A Ukrainian helicopter has crashed in Slovakia, killing six people, Slovak officials say.
They say the Mi-2 turbine-powered helicopter went down near Slovakia’s border with Ukraine, the eastern frontier of the European Union.
Reports in Slovak media say the pilot may have been flying dangerously low in foggy weather to avoid being detected.
Slovak and Ukrainian officials say the helicopter may have been involved in smuggling people across the border.
Slovak Interior Minister Robert Kalinak was quoted by the novyny.sk website as saying illegal migrants could have been on board the helicopter.
Ukraine’s border guard later said in a statement (in Ukrainian) that two Ukrainian nationals and four people from south-eastern Asia were on board.
It said the helicopter was likely used to transport illegal migrants.
Local officials say they found the bodies at the crash site near the village of Stretavka in Michalovce district on Friday.
Mr Kalinak did not rule out the possibility that the death toll may increase, as Mi-2 helicopters can carry eight people on board.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34812405
UNIAN
The Ukrainian State Border Guard Service has reported that two Ukrainian citizens and four natives of southeastern Asian countries who were on board were killed in the crash of a Mil Mi-2 helicopter in Slovakia on November 11.
http://www.unian.info/society/1183121-two-ukrainians-four-south-east-asians-killed-in-helicopter-crash-in-slovakia.html
he Ukrainian State Border Guard Service said that a border guard patrol heard the noise of an engine of an unidentified aerial vehicle under the conditions of bad visibility at about 04:00 local time on November 11 in the direction between the Ukrainian city of Uzhgorod and the Slovakian village of Vysne Nemecke. This information was immediately reported to the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Slovakian border guards.
“Searches for the possible sites of taking off and landing immediately started on both sides of the border. An Mi-2 civilian helicopter which has crashed was discovered as a result of the search carried out today in Slovak territory 35 kilometers from the border. The aerial vehicle had been carrying two Ukrainian citizens and four natives of southeastern Asia, including two women,” the agency said in a press statement released on Friday evening.
All those on board the Mi-2 were killed.
“It is possible that this helicopter was used for trafficking illegal migrants. Efforts continue to clarify the circumstances surrounding the crash,” the Ukrainian State Border Guard Service reported.
@Q Did you see the a post by mousewitz 14-11-2015, 02:12 PM DI(16)about a warning last year, further down the page he mentions its a french video game site .
This seems to have slipped by as well.
http://gatwick.airlive.net/
Thank you, Pink. Strangely enough, I followed a rather bizarre conspiracy site on this side of the pond for a while that was proposing a video game company link to Luka Magnotta and the murder of Jun Lin. Luka Magnotta sent “packages” to politicians and to the former workplace of the current PM of Canada. I lost track of that site.
We know that Magnotta fled to Paris, landing at Charles de Gaulle airport. He was wearing a Mickey Mouse shirt and a wig.
Not sure what to make of it all, but there were various connections to video games in that saga. Maybe video games are used to communicate between various “cells”.
Insanity.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/magnotta-told-psychiatrist-he-thought-jun-lin-was-an-agent-sent-to-kill-him/article21543523/?service=mobile
I didn’t follow it up I remembered that you had been keeping an eye
and thought it might interest you ,what do you make of that warning ?
Posted in the al-Hilli thread, but relevant here for obvious reasons WRT Malaysia Airlines’ plane MH17.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-wests-information-war-against-syria-refugees-russia-and-the-balkans/5475878
The warning must have been real, in hindsight.
Strangely, the deceased scientist Lachlan Cranswick had been playing an online video game just before he vanished from his home without ID in the middle of a winter night in 2010. He worked at the Chalk River Nuclear plant in Nortern Ontario as a government-employed scientist in the field of X-ray crystallography and neutron beam testing.
He turned up dead in June of 2010, with the announcement of his identity on the summer solstice, June 21, for all you conspiracy theorists.
I guess the interviewee here was joking:
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/chalk-river-scientist-gone-without-a-trace-1.865786
Canada-Australia’s Jimmy Neutron neutralized, without logical or credible explanation.
There is an old saying to the effect that even crazy people sometimes speak the truth. What they’re saying can be hard to understand, though. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water, and all that.
The UN has agreed to a passenger airline tracking system:
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/106570/20151113/un-reaches-airline-setellite-tracking-agreement-loss-flight-mh370.htm
http://m.qt.com.au/news/the-daughters-of-the-springfield-lakes-couple-lost/2841388/
An Australian family remembers their loved ones, lost on MH370.
@Pink:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/16/9745216/playstation-4-paris-attacks-reporting-error
More on video games.
‘Terror act’ downed RUSSIAN plane
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34840943
it’s allegedly an homemade IED
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