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I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.

CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off.  It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft.  But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency.  (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency.  That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)

I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land  I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region.  Somewhere there is debris on the ocean.  There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented.  However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen.  In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.

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  • Reply ↓
    Q

    @Pink: That is the kind of information I was after. Remember the fire in the Malaysia Airlines MRO, in which repair logs were allegedly destroyed?

    How long is the life of these fasteners, when new? Is it possible that maintenance and replacement was not in accordance with the manufacturer’s guidelines? The Titanic used slag metal for bolts, didn’t it?

    It’s never a good plan to cut corners on the cheapest parts, or as one washing machine manufacturer learned, the five-cent savings per unit turned into millions of dollars in lawsuits over fires, and repairs to recalled machines.

  • Reply ↓
    Pink

    It really depends on whether Blaines debris is from MH370 I suppose
    I hope Mr Vozer will be checking it all I expect he is though he seems to be paying attention .

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    BTW, Pink, I am glad to see the oil rig worker being taken seriously in some circles still. He lost his job over MH370, and gained nothing by sticking to his story. Jobs in that field are not easy to come by now.

    I continue to think that there is a very big reason having to do with “friendly fire” or some such that is contributing to Malaysia and other parties not wanting to find MH370.

    I’m not the best person to do the work requested, but will have a look when I can.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Somewhere near Shenzen, Guandong, China is my first result, Pink, but I’m on a tiny little screen. Maybe quite wrong until proper computer available.

    So take it with a grain of ocean salt.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Why is it so important not to find this plane? Is it a reason of something in the plane that must not be known? Or is it something outside the plane that must not be known? What makes this plane different from all the other passenger planes that have crashed, and that have been found?

    Donald Elliott’s findings indicate a far-reaching effort not only to do nothing, but to impede others from finding it.

    I don’t suppose any of the beachcombers carried a Geiger counter. Not Jonny Bègue, anyways.

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    March 24, 2015,
    Andreas Lubitz precipitated the GERMANWINGS Airbus A320 to crash
    into the FRENCH Alps. A disaster that had claimed 150 lives.
    A year later, the FRENCH civil aviation shall publish on Sunday its final report on the crash, with highly anticipated recommendations.
    New security measures?

    The experts of the Bureau surveys and analyzes (BEA) in particular should decide on the cockpits door locking system as well as on procedures to access and exit the cockpit. The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) has provisionally recommended the permanent presence of two people in the cockpit throughout the flight. But this measure, widely applied by European companies on a voluntary basis, since the crash, not unanimous. The German pilots’ union believes it has “downside risks heavier than presumed security gains.”

    In the crash of Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz took advantage of the temporary absence of the driver in the cab to engage the descent of the Airbus half an hour after takeoff.

    In its preliminary report released in May 2015, the BEA confirmed that Andreas Lubitz had intentionally set the autopilot instructions for controlling a descent of the aircraft until the collision with terrain. The exploitation of the black boxes of the aircraft had shown that the first officer had found himself alone in the cockpit and refused to open the door during the descent, despite repeated requests from the crew, and knocks on the door.
    How to balance confidentiality and flight safety?

    In addition, Andreas Lubitz medical dossier revealed that this young German of 28 years suffering from depression, but special restrictions were imposed that do not forbid him to fly an airliner.

    The survey of French experts sought to understand the systemic failures that have led to this accident and the balance between the confidentiality and security of flights.
    Commemoration

    The 150 victims of the disaster Germanwings were from twenty countries. To mark the first anniversary of the crash, a majority of families must be met on March 23 next to a ceremony in Marseille before traveling the next day to the scene of the crash.

  • Reply ↓
    Pink

    Thanks for having a look Q its a little complicated to say the least on the face of it looking on google earth it looks like a good place for debris to go too where these parts have been found but need someone who understands the currents to know ,I bet its been done somewhere quite a few favoured that region .

  • Reply ↓
    Trowbridge H. Ford

    BEA inquiry sucks.

    Just making the doctors responsible for what NATO was doing to opponents of its Mediterranean Dialogue,

    Still no passenger list, especially the Spanish spooks on it who were investigating it, nothing about its transponder not alarming the dangerous descent, nothing from the CVR and the FDR recorder which was found burned when nothing else was, etc,

    JUst the unbelievable story that Andreas Lubitz locked himself in the cockpit, put the autopilot in an alarming descent, and then just waited most quietly until it crashed.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Yes, Pink, I remember long ago when the Cocos were discussed here, and the garbage gyre.

    I still find it incredible that investigators would dismiss all eyewitness reports in favor of a random search in the middle of nowhere, as far as possible from the place where eyewitnesses saw things that have not been explained away. Why did they turn away from the obvious indicators?

    Over at JW, they have the “fat controller” debris theory, wherein chunks of 9M-MRO are tossed into the sea like chum for eager debris hunters. In this theory, MH-370 has already been salvaged while the world looked “over there”.

    GeoResonance has expressed its disgust over the handling of the whole affair. Maybe some authorities did find an intact airliner in the Bay of Bengal.

    Meanwhile, there was that recent report of an intact airliner near Cape Horn.

    Was the whole world scammed by the fat controller, and we’re all like the trusting Thomas?

    And how did Mr. Elliott’s coordinates take me to China? It must be the fat controller again.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Here you go, Pink:

    http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/exposed-are-secret-us-spy-plane-flying-over-the-pacific-14323

    Even the Daily Mail has regular articles on top-secret U.S. stealth planes and drones allegedly being developed in Area 51. The idea is so popular that the recently-revived X-Files plot revolved around this very idea.

    Was a military plane or drone flying a mission in the area when MH-370 went down? If so, who did it belong to? We know war games were going on at the time, and various militaries in the area are ready to defend when a perceived threat arises. Was an unresponsive passenger jet taken out by a drone or fighter jet on March 8, 2014?

    We are back at the beginning. Who is the fat controller?

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Meanwhile, back at JW, the discussion switches to Blaine Gibson himself. Why is this?

    All I know is that Blaine Gibson is a lawyer from Seattle. The two threads I follow here on Craig M. have a Seattle connection.

    Somehow an aging Seattle real estate magnate (and international fugitive, wanted by the FBI) ended up in the town where a one-time suspect in the Chevaline murders worked as a cop.

    And Blaine Gibson ended up in Mozambique, hunting for MH-370 parts. He found part of a plane, provenance TBA.

    Oh, and Boeing is a major employer in the Seattle area.

    This proves to me that some people from Seattle do have the means to get around the world and end up in the news.

  • Reply ↓
    michael norton

    From RT

    Syrian jet downed by rebels – Russian MoD

    A Syrian MiG-21 fighter jet has been downed by rebels with a man-portable anti-aircraft missile, the Russian Defense Ministry has said in a statement. “At 14:41 on March 12, a Syrian MiG-21 fighter jet carrying out an air space control flight was downed with a portable anti-aircraft missile near the town of Kafer-Nbuda (Hama province),” the Russian Defense Ministry stated on Sunday. That information was denied by the Free Syrian Army, however, which said that the jet had been hit by air defense artillery. The Defense Ministry also reported that about 29 violations of the ceasefire had been committed during the past 24 hours. The largest number of breaches was observed in the Latakia province, which experienced 18, with the Damascus province witnessing five violations. Another three truce violations were seen in Aleppo, while two were registered in Idlib, as well as one in Hama.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Pink, this is the Fugro Supporter they’re talking about. It appears to be moving in a circle off the coast of Myanmar in the Bay of Bengal.

    https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=8518364

    This is north of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. Interesting, given that GeoResonance has always stood by its statement that MH370 is in the Bay of Bengal. This location is further south of the GeoResonance location. How far could a mostly-intact 777 drift?

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Perhaps Blaine Gibson’s interview with Katherine Tee and Marc Horn has reactivated the search for MH370 near the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. He appears to have gone into his interviews with them with an open mind. He did not try to convince Katherine to unsee what she saw. He did not appear to have an agenda. Perhaps he saw the value in following up on eyewitness reports, rather than summarily dismissing them. Of course! He’s a lawyer, and that’s what lawyers do best: listen to eyewitnesses.

    Here’s what came out of his interview:

    https://saucysailoress.wordpress.com/

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