I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Kenneth – Motorala means nothing to the Israelis, have you ever heard of “The Towers” Books? (not the company)
A towers book has pages and pages of electronic parts equivalents between Japanese and European electronic components. Parts or who builds them don’t matter, even today any electronics engineer (such as myself) who wants to patent some new circuit will most likely find that it was already patented in one form or another some 100 years ago.
The most coveted company in the world for electronics would have to be Siemens, their parts can be found in almost all electronic components.
Motorola is more along the lines of low end electronics, TV transmissions, handset and maybe a few specialized chips for multiplexing TV or Satellite signals and so on.
For computer chips I would say look at Taiwan and Silicon Valley stuff, even the Chinese want to copy that kind of stuff but nobody needs to control Motorola when Texas Instruments virtually replicates everything they do.
I cannot help but wonder if Saad al-Hilli’s death was the result of his work for SSTL. IMO, that “galley” work of his on airplanes has more to do with the picocell units that communicate with satellites than passenger snack preparation.
http://www.ipaccess.com/en/Aircraft-and-maritime
http://wirelesse2e.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/a-lesson-from-flying-and-floating-picocells-for-femtocell-deployments/
Emirates Airlines started using this technology on its Airbus A380 fleet in 2008. Saad al-Hilli worked on the Airbus A380. Found this on in-flight entertainment systems on British Airways’ Airbus A380 and Boeing 787s:
http://airfax.com/blog/index.php/tag/thales/
Who knew that this technology can provide “3D moving map application that includes a full featured globe with satellite imagery and full-motion 3D view of the aircraft”?
BTW, is worth remembering that the crash of Swissair 111 was blamed on its in-flight entertainment system.
Did Saad al-Hilli’s satellite connections lead to his demise? A lot of money and power is at stake in this technology race, with many countries involved. Instead of looking at the obvious, the French went chasing a lone nutter, and managed to find one. Quel surprise.
I knew there was something about Motorola and Israel – and this is the reason I — even perhaps when tempted — have never bought a mobile phone of this brand. It is also an important signal to send to the US parent company: Divest yourself from Israel.
According to this, the MH370’s pilot’s family suddenly vanished the day before the flight:
http://inquiringminds.cc/uk-911-truth-media-bs-no-wonder-mh370-passengers-are-so-angry-tony-gosling
Kind of like a sudden vacation at the beginning of the school year?
I recall years ago McDonald (Burger people) were accused of supporting terrorists.
Their employee form said “contributions to IRA”.
The UK “nutter brigade” into overdrive.
IRA in The States is “Individual Retirement Accounts”.
It is a normal question for an employer to ask of an employee.
Mad world ! Or just mad people !
Stolen passports is SOP for MOSSAD
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253437/More-British-passports-used-Mahmoud-al-Mabhouh-Hamas-assassination.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh
http://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/02/06/mossad-using-stolen-indian-passports/
Twitter statement says it’s not Ebola. Great way to get the official word out, that Twitter:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sick-man-in-saskatoon-tests-negative-for-ebola-1.2585293
Marlin 7.22 You say: “But here’s the bigger question for you, NR, and us all – just what the heck does it mean that so many in the world (even me!) are willing to accept that America the once-great would be capable of such dastardly deeds? where does such lack of faith in “the greatest democracy on earth” leave us, whereever we live? once upon a time, not so long ago, the mere idea that America would be capable of the most callous banal acts of evil, would be considered preposterous. But not any longer, it seems. And without America-the-good, just who exactly is left? the once great Britain? the illustrious Canadians (who, after all, elected harper)? the incomparable Australians?”
I couldn’t have put it better though I have tried in the past. I believe you have pin-pointed a historically important point of tectonic proportions that is a serious threat to our future. It is two-fold: ONE a trust in western democracy and political systems to truly reflect majority public sentiment and TWO the role of the “press” to independently investigate and examine.
Personally speaking, I have argued that in respect of America it has been a long time in gestation which I date back to Kennedy, which must now be regarded as a coup d’tat, plus other events up to the game-changer 9/11. From that point on nothing that emanates from US top layer can be taken at face, and no act however barbaric, excluded. This is a disastrous situation not only for America but also for the “free world”. Only Americans can put it right and as 9/11 also demonstrates, that is not very likely. Obama was an exercise in rhetoric and it is hard to detect any big change in direction or methods since he arrived.
As with Chevaline, MH370 presents us with certain incontrovertible, uncomfortable and irreducible “facts” that cannot be dodged. After that we grasp at straws as to what happened, why it happened or who did it. One of the irreducible facts is that SOMEBODY did. However much they try to fix up the pilot or co-pilot the story just does not hold and so in the absence of “terror” what and who do we have left.
If it was the US it would appear they have become even more brazen and careless about the supporting back story. At least with Kennedy and 9/11 an attempt was made even if it later all fell apart. This time none.
Another Tom Clancy book:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Orders
x posted on another thread by AlcAnon;
“Some research on hacking planes. Caused quite a fuss on pilot forums at the time. https://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2013ams/materials/D1T1%20-%20Hugo%20Teso%20-%20Aircraft%20Hacking%20-%20Practical%20Aero%20Series.pdf
Allegedly also the radio hardware inside some consumer android devices can be persuaded to transmit and receive on ACARS frequencies.”
Q – A Tom Clancy Book? Wow, I hadn’t considered that … just looked it up in Wiki and I’ll be darned if doesn’t make one think about the recent events.
There is more to this, I’m sure .. I’m also sure the next few weeks might very well be interesting.
Thankfully in Clancy’s books the goodies always win.
That’s odd, Ben, because SSTL is testing android phones to control satellites in orbit.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2013/02/android-smartphone-satellite.html
I wonder if that would be a Motorola phone using android?
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/microsat-99d.html
http://www.teleanalysis.com/analysis/moto-g-why-its-good-for-india-5001.html
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=4242
Moto G uses CDMA, which is the same technology used by SSTL for its satellites.
“Low-power transmitters utilising Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) technology, will transmit usage, safety and other messages to satellites circling the globe in near-polar orbit. All six microsatellites will be designed and built at SSTL’s facilities within the Surrey Space Centre, Guildford, UK.”
From Space Daily link.
Q; Apollo 11’s onboard ‘puter had less capacity than today’s smartphone.
What’s odd to me, is how many simply dismiss hacking outright as not feasible.
@Donald: I think NR might be interested in the new Ubisoft gaming version of the book, due for release soon.
In keeping with the theme of Tom Clancy, there’s a rainbow, too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Clancy%27s_Rainbow_Six
No mention of antique Swiss lugers.
NR
25 Mar, 2014 – 7:39 am I shared your percipient Shane Todd reminder on Inquiring minds (http://inquiringminds.cc/uk) where I have done several articles on “suicides”. Hope you don’t MIND?
@Ben: I have long wondered about the mobile phones used by any of the people at Chevaline on September 5, 2012, and how good the signal is for various types of phones at that location.
i had not seen this. One of three Americans on the flight.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22155997/faces-of-flight-mh370-what-we-know-about-the-malaysia-airlines-passengers/
“Philip Wood
Texas man Philip Wood was one of three Americans on board flight MH370.
According to local newspapers, the 50-year-old was working for IBM in Kuala Lumpur and had previously lived in Beijing.”
Ironically linking back to the Huawei issue, SSTL has worked with this university:
http://www.ee.tsinghua.edu.cn/publish/eeen/3784/2013/20130321092248895314500/20130321092248895314500_.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/microsat-99d.html
Yes, some Huawei phones use CDMA and android operating systems.
Q; Was Chevaline on the Al-Hilli thread?
Perhaps the magic elves at Craig Murray could copy my SSTL posts over to the “Not Forgetting” thread, or should yours truly do it?
Just a thought about the two iranianas on MH-370
The picture below is supposed to be one taken of the two of them along with two other friends but:
https://www.google.com.au/search?sa=N&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSZxplCxCo1NgEGgQIPQhCDAsQsIynCBo8CjoIARIUpQOeA8sDoAObA6IDlQPMA9sDqwUaIHJ-vTQPhIEF8BhFu8dl1nZuq4UoA6WjRvZab7anxZd6DAsQjq7-CBoKCggIARIE65hViQw&ei=I5UxU5_yO4zvoASqnIK4Dg&ved=0CCQQ2A4oAQ&biw=1088&bih=506
Why are they wearing the same clothes they were wearing when they boarded the plane? Why was this picture taken just before they left?
Who are the other two men, are they not part of a clue/lead, should they not be identified, did these men also board the plane?
If so now we may now have four Iranians traveling together and not just two.
Yes, Ben, the Chevaline issue was discussed on the al-Hilli thread. Tim V might be able to help you find it, or search Google using the name of the thread + Chevaline/Polaris/missile in quotes. It’s quite difficult to go back and search the thread. Rendition was also discussed.
BTW, Google Chrome is Moto G’s search engine.
Beating the drum riles the natives. Iran also responsible for the Chicago fire.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-el-al-expert-iran-likely-involved-in-mh-370/
Q; I visit from time to time, but help me with the 1000 page stare. 🙂
approx dates?
I’VE FOUND HIS PRIMARY EMAIL-ADDRESS: christopher [guess] bollyn.com and send the email anew. Here are the first lines, and it consist of the relevant quotes from Bluebird.
Uh,,,my reading comp. I see….Sept 2012….thx
As to the US ability to shoot down civilian air craft we have the cases of
PanAm 103 over Lockerbie in 1989 and Iran Air Flight 655 from Tehran to Dubai in 1988.
“The United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes shot down Iran Air Flight 655 over Iran’s territorial waters in the Persian Gulf. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from the Vincennes. All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died. It was cited as the reason for a retribution Lockerbie operation, although Libya was wrongly and knowingly blamed for political reasons.
In respect of Lockerbie it is alleged that this was masterminded by Abu Nidal who it is claimed was a US agent. Former UK Labour MP Tam Dalyell and Edinburgh law professor Robert Black “have long believed Abu Nidal, who died in Iraq in 2002, and his PFLP-GC, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command, were responsible for co-ordinating the bomb that blew up Pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie on 21 December, 1988 with the loss of 270 lives.”
Dalyell and Black have urged the Scottish and UK governments to answer reports that Abu Nidal was a US agent.”
For the avoidance of doubt this is an edited version from this http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/malaysian-airlines-mh370-stolen.html
Q
25 Mar, 2014 – 1:31 pm’
‘According to this, the MH370′s pilot’s family suddenly vanished the day before the flight’.
Just look at these two links, the first of the wife & family the second of the student daughter leaving Australia.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-fbi-3276536
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/17/18/11/mh370-pilot-captain-zaharie-ahmad-shah-s-daughter-aishah-zaharie-lived-in-australia
Judging by this the wife is too young, I’d say, to be the mother of the student daughter, so where is her mother & I wonder if the pilot had been married twice ?
Parasite satellites have been talked about for more than a decade, so why haven’t we heard anything about this in relation to MH370?
http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_weapons_and_global_security/solutions/us-china-cooperation/a-military-intelligence.html
http://books.google.ca/books?id=3QY-4UKu-qUC&pg=PA102&lpg=PA102&dq=parasite+satellites&source=bl&ots=dqrna_OYbt&sig=pAKAcJrHAKgcKaGa6Sf5tJv7n6w&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CpkxU_acHIvmoATgxoK4Dg&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=parasite%20satellites&f=false
Notably the book says that SSTL worked with China’s Tsinghua and Harbin universities to develop the parasite satellite technology. The author describes it as an advanced anti-satellite weapon. Astrium was also involved, according to the author.
If satellite signals are jammed, what happens to a commercial airliner using those satellites?
Was this SSTL’s bread and butter money maker?
Ben.
Wood’s wife was the weeping woman shown on TV day after day after the MH370 disappearance.
White American.