I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
From JW page more debris found by Blaine Gibson with film crew in tow I think.
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/asie/boeing-disparu/info-complement-d-enquete-je-crois-qu-il-s-agit-d-un-morceau-du-mh370-de-nouveaux-debris-decouverts-a-madagascar_1491097.html#xtor=CS1-747
http://jeffwise.net/2016/06/09/blaine-alan-gibson-finds-3-possible-mh370-debris-pieces-in-madagascar/#comments
Blaine doesn’t seem to know that the plane won’t be found there. He’s looking in the wrong, unofficial place. And yet, he finds things. Why won’t he listen? The plane is not there, Blaine. It’s somewhere else. Please look somewhere else, so that you won’t find anything, okay? 😉
About flaps, flappers and “live taps” by ground crew:
http://gofar.aircanada.com/en/go-far-answers/question/what’s-that-green-tape-around-the-wings-and-winglets-of-air-canada’s-airbus-fleet/
Another Air Canada plane flying out of Toronto had a flap problem. It was reported on TV news this morning, but not posted to any websites since. Emergency fire crews were on location when it landed. They didn’t say what kind of plane was involved, but other recent flap problems occurred in the airline’s Airbus A320s.
GPS can be messed with over a large area.
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html
Does anyone know what this odd story is about ?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/raids-germany-switzerland-mh17-probe-160457366.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=tw
Kangaroo Island
If MH370 remains
are accepted to have been found on the beaches of Kangaroo Island, off the continent of Australia, adjacent to Adelaide
that will be eX-traordinary
Very interesting that one private detective with a wealthy sponsor can outdo teams of government investigators. It makes me ask why the donor got involved, and would he please take an interest in MH370?
I also started thinking about what people put in Swiss bank deposit boxes, which may not have anything to do with money. You know what I mean, Pink.
I get your drift Q, I wondered if the wealthy sponsor would be a NOK or something more complex ,it strikes me as all a bit odd is there something illegal about hiring a PI to investigate if there is not can they just steal his findings ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodrigues
The bit of debris found on the island of Rodrigues is now said the be almost certainly from MH 370
The island of Rodrigues is the nearest bit of debris found, so far to
Diego Garcia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
I wonder if any debris will be discovered, nearer to Diego Garcia?
BA Dreamliner flying to India diverts back to London FIVE HOURS into journey after pilots discover technical fault
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3638617/BA-Dreamliner-flying-India-diverts-London-FIVE-HOURS-journey-pilots-discover-technical-fault.html#ixzz4BTd8781b
While flying over the Turkish coast, pilots of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner detected a problem and signalled their intention to return to London.
The aircraft had set out from Heathrow at 4:40pm on Sunday and was scheduled to land in Hyderabad but instead touched down back in London just after midnight.
One private investigator and his team of 100:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/663787/Ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-Russian-crash-MH17-BBC-documentary
A German private investigator and the $47-M reward:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11682107/German-private-detective-hired-to-investigate-MH17-says-informant-has-come-forward.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mh17-crash-whistleblower-has-come-forward-with-information-claims-private-detective-10327953.html
A Swiss middleman took care of arrangements with the whistleblower. The Swiss again!
nice!
EgyptAir crash: Wreckage found in Mediterranean
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36543969
A deep sea search vessel had also sent back the first images of the wreckage, the statement added.
Q That story gets stranger , so this PI does not know who is paying him he is just a middleman for somone who want’s information and is prepared to pay for it , if he has delivered said information and everyone has been paid what was the purpose of the raid ?
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-egyptair-airplane-search-idUKKCN0Z12HI
Cockpit voice recorder from crashed EgyptAir flight recovered
Thats good news MN I saw it being reported that they had found the voice recorder I suppose it will take a while to hear any more about what they find on it, I haven’t followed very closely so not sure where the investigation is .
Both CVR & FDR are damaged
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/17/egyptair-flight-ms804-extensively-damaged-black-boxes-will-need-repairs-before-analysis
One day, maybe, just one of these disappearing aircraft,
will be eXplained to the World in terms we can understand.
Not today, flight recorders are stuffed!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/24/egyptair-flight-804-access-data-recorders-information-fail-
Fight data and voice recorders from crashed plane will be flown to Paris for repairs before being returned to Cairo
I’d have thought the FRENCH have enough to sort out at home
( nuclear power, 11% unemployment, multiple strikes, war on terror, migrants kicking off,
most unpopular President of France-ever,
now we’ve hit em with BREXIT) the poor dears must be frazzeled.
Chinese airline passengers have a new nickname, based on their appalling behavior: air rage tribe.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/mass-brawl-erupts-onboard-flight-as-passenger-lashes-out-at-cabin-crew-after-four-hour-delay/ar-AAhjjaD?li=AAggFp5&ocid=mailsignout
They’re at it again, or all the time.
Debris found on Kangaroo Island ( off Adelaide) not from missing flight MH370
Tanzania: Flight debris found in Pemba Island
http://www.jamiiforums.com/threads/bawa-kubwa-la-ndege-laokotwa-kisiwani-pemba.1070044/
Some new pictures .
http://www.jamiiforums.com/threads/bawa-kubwa-la-ndege-laokotwa-kisiwani-pemba.1070044/
Analysis of the Tanzania Debris
Michael Exner
and Don Thompson
June 26, 2016
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4yoanywmvgz911p/Analysis_2016-06-26.pdf?dl=0
Turkey ‘sorry for downing Russian jet’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36643435
urkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has apologised for the downing of a Russian military jet on the Turkey-Syria border, the Kremlin has said.
Mr Erdogan sent a message to President Vladimir Putin expressing “sympathy and deep condolences” to the family of the killed pilot, a spokesman said.
Turkey had angered Moscow by failing to apologise for the incident in November.
Russia responded by imposing trade sanctions and suspending Russian package tours to Turkey.
Mr Putin said at the time the restrictions would not be lifted until Russia received an apology.
This might be significant,
it might indicate Syria is almost solved, in favour of Assad / Russia
The Paris prosecutor’s office said on Monday it was opening a manslaughter investigation into the crashed EgyptAir flight MS804 which plunged into the Mediterranean sea last month. “The Paris prosecutor has opened today a full investigation into involuntary homicide,” the prosecutor’s office told Reuters. Asked if the prosecutor was looking into terrorism at this stage, an official said: “No”. The cause of the crash remains unknown. On Monday, damaged memory chips from the black boxes of the jet were flown to France for repairs, a source on the investigation committee said. (Reuters)
Kate Tee saw pictures of SQ268 on fire and tweeted that it was the closest glow she had seen yet interesting.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-sia-777-300er-has-engine-fire-during-landin-426699/
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ngnnjcs4ec4/maxresdefault.jpg
Video of SQ368 fire being put out everyone got off ok thankfully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKLbjPmOIq4
Turkish citizen Alparslan Celik, who is suspected of involvement in the murder of Russia’s Sukhoi Su-24 bomber pilot Oleg Peshkov last November, will remain in custody until June 8, 2017, Anadolu news agency reported on Tuesday. The decision has been made by a court in the city of Izmir, TASS said
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has condemned the Istanbul Airport violence and expressed hope that the bombing becomes “a turning point” for the whole world to unite against terrorism. Erdogan’s PM said initial findings indicate that ISIS bears responsibility.
https://www.rt.com/news/348787-erdogan-ataturk-attack-airport/
Su-24 downing
President Erdogan could have been remembered as an important statesman of this era, said political writer Dan Glazebrook.
However, the Turkish president preferred a disastrous policy and threw all his chances away, he added.
On Monday, the Kremlin received an apology from Turkey’s President Recep Erdogan over the death of a Russian pilot.
The serviceman’s jet was downed by Turkish war planes over Syria last November.
Michael Maloof, a former Pentagon official, commenting on what could have been behind Turkey’s apology, said “it was geopolitical reality.”
“Coming unexpectedly as it did; that was a good gesture. It is going to be interesting to see what the Russian response will be, whether they are going to reopen trade relations and also tourism,” he told RT.
“Erdogan has realized he has isolated himself pretty much in the region. You can see him reaching out right now to the Israelis; you can see him trying to mitigate things with the Americans. So it is going to be interesting to see how far he goes, but there clearly is a continuing problem in the relationship,” Maloof said.
Erdogan’s apology was a good step, “a good effort” in an attempt to improve relations with Moscow, Maloof said. However, it will be a long process as there are issues that continue to “strain the relationship” between the two states and will they have “to be worked out.” Among those he named Turkey’s continuing “support for the jihadi Salafists in neighboring Syria; the differences between Moscow and Ankara over Syria itself,” as well as “the pressure coming in from the Saudis.” It is going to be a long drawn out process – I don’t think it is going to be something immediate.
It took Ankara seven months to apologize for the jet incident. Political writer Dan Glazebrook explains the timing of the announcement by Turkey realizing that the Syrian government will not be removed.
“It has finally dawned on them that the Syrian government is not going away; Assad is not going to go away; that the whole plan to destroy the country along with Britain and the US and the Gulf allies is in tatters and the Syrian government is going to survive; Assad is going to survive. And if they want any kind of role in shaping the future of Syria and any kind of influence there and to avoid the last of their proxy groups getting wiped out, then they are going to come to some sort of accommodation with Russia,” he said. “Their whole attitude towards both Russia and Syria has been utterly self-defeating. It is absolutely clear that the long-term economic and geo-political and strategic logic for Turkey in its relations with Syria and Russia would be to have friendly relations with them,” Glazebrook told RT.
The analyst suggests that Erdogan could have been pressured by some other parties to apologize.
“The shooting down of the airplane itself, and then the actions that followed, and the desperate attempt a couple of months back to try and pressure NATO forces to send in some sort of ground force; or their suggestions that Turkey and the Saudis might send in their own ground force – these were really indicative of last-ditch desperate efforts. And those were the last –ditch efforts and they came to nothing,” Glazebrook said.
If Erdogan had played his hand differently, he could have been remembered as a major important statesman of this era, the analyst suggests. Before 2011, he recalled, the Turkish leader “was rallying people against Israel’s policies in Palestine; remember the events of Davos – when he walked out during the Israeli President speech…”
“He has thrown that all away, and it is too late for him to ever recover from this. But at least he is making some attempt now to go back on his disastrous policy,” he concluded.
Boaz Bismuth, journalist and former diplomat told RT that business and economic interests are very much likely to be among the reasons that made the Turkish leader – described by insiders as a very proud man – send an apology to the Kremlin.
“Turkey under Erdogan – the biggest success was the national feeling. Turkey was successful, the growth was sometimes 7.5 percent; Turkish people had money in the pockets. That is also important,” he said. “In order to continue and satisfy your people, you need also business to go on.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36647587
The damaged flight data recorder from the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month has been successfully repaired in France, Egyptian investigators say.
They say that work on the Airbus A320’s cockpit voice recorder will begin “within hours”.
It paves the way for experts to analyse data that could help explain what caused the crash.
Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo plunged into the Mediterranean Sea on 19 May, killing all 66 people on board.
In a statement, Egypt’s investigation commission said that the flight data recorder had been “successfully repaired… by the French accident investigation agency laboratory”.
The voice and flight data recorders, known as black boxes, arrived in Paris from Cairo on Monday so that salt deposits could be removed.
They will be sent back to Cairo so the data can be analysed.
Also on Monday, the Paris prosecutor opened a manslaughter investigation into the crash.
A spokeswoman told the Associated Press that it would begin as an accident inquiry because there was no evidence so far to link it to terrorism.
Investigators appear to think the Airbus A320 was not brought down deliberately.
Aircraft Voice Record……
…..there was “smoke onboard”.
And the Egyptian investigation committee also said that part of the front section of the aircraft’s wreckage “showed sign of high temperature damage” and soot.
On Jun 29th 2016 Egypt’s CAA reported that the flight data recorder has been successfully downloaded, more than 1200 parameters are being decoded and validated. Data are present from departure at Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris until the aircraft was at FL370 just after the ACARS messages were transmitted, the data are consistent with the ACARS messages of lavatory and avionics bay smoke. Recovered wreckage parts from the forward section of the aircraft show severe heat damage and evidence of thick black smoke (soot). The investigation is going to undertake comprehensive analysis to try to determine the source and cause of the fire.
Caution here….
They note, they say this is “consistent” with the ACARS messages.
There is (as yet) no evidence that the FDR continued to record after “it establishes” that there was smoke onboard the aircraft.
Maybe the officials will “confirm more details” tomorrow.
This has been discussed exhaustively along with mangosteens but deserves a new visit.
On those multiple missing passenger planes. If lithium batteries explode in those hoverboards, they explode in the air too.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/23/news/companies/lithium-ion-battery-ban-airplanes/index.html
http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/faqs/airplane_lithium_ion_battery_events.pdf
Today a trigger website has made yet another one of its Swiss CIA/MH370 predictions. They’ve made a number of these over the years. Just saying.
Spell check bad: truther.
http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/01/firefighting-plane-lost-in-russia/
One of the world’s biggest firefighting planes has gone missing while tackling a huge blaze in a forest in the Irkutsk region of Russia.
A spokesperson for the regional emergency services has told the TASS news agency that communication with the Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft has been lost and a search is underway.
The region is described as remote and difficult to access.
https://www.rt.com/news/349088-firefighter-plane-lost-siberia/
Contact was lost with a Russian IL-76 fighting a blaze near the city of Irkutsk when it was at an altitude of 3,000 meters (9,900ft). The emergencies ministry plans to parachute in 100 rescue workers to search for the missing plane and the 10 people on board.
“Contact was lost in the Kachug area of the Irkutsk Region, where smoke from forest fires was extremely thick,” RIA Novosti reports, citing a source within the emergencies ministry.
According to the local administration, the search is being conducted by planes because the territory is too large and inaccessible for a ground search and there are no roads in the area.
“The crew of the aircraft has extensive experience in firefighting, delivering humanitarian aid, and rescue operations,” a source told TASS news agency.
8 aircraft are involved in rescue op, says emergencies ministry press service.
since the plane’s engines were built by a consortium led by the US company Pratt & Whitney (UTX.N).
http://www.france24.com/en/20160630-egyptair-blackbox-points-fire-flight-mS804-cairo
Why do they not just install Rolls-Royce engines on Airbus?
EgyptAir Crash: Human Remains Recovered At Sea
Human remains recovered at the crash site of EgyptAir flight MS804 will be handed to coroners and prosecutors at Alexandria port.
http://news.sky.com/story/1721174/egyptair-crash-human-remains-recovered-at-sea
A search vessel has recovered human remains at the underwater crash site of EgyptAir flight MS804.
Egypt’s aircraft accident investigation committee said the remains will be taken to Alexandria port to be handed over to coroners and prosecution officials.
The remains were recovered by the John Lethbridge, a vessel belonging to the Mauritius-based Deep Ocean Search and contracted by the Egyptian government.
Ilyushin IL-76 aircraft
http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/03/lost-russian-fire-fighting-aircraft-found-in-irkutsk/
Black boxes and human remains found in Russia
Flight UA929 London-Chicago declares emergency, turns back over Scotland
https://www.rt.com/news/350752-ua929-plane-emergency-turn/
A United Airlines plane bound for Chicago is being forced to make an emergency landing in Edinburgh shortly after taking off from London Heathrow airport.
https://www.google.ca/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/36791241?client=ms-android-motorola#
I had no idea that Blaine Gibson sold his house to finance his one-man mission to find MH370.
Seems a dreadful mistake by investigators to ignore this kind of determination. The families deserve better, and momentum is growing. How many angry voices can be ignored?
Please be careful, Blaine Gibson. Malaysia has a way of dealing with dissent.
Don’t shoot the messenger, Malaysia. The world is watching you. Consequences!
Joint Agency Coordination Centre
MH370 Operational Search Update
http://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370-pages/updates/operational-update.aspx
http://www.roanoke.com/business/news/roanoke-county-entrepreneur-studies-mystery-of-missing-malaysian-airliner/article_8a45a9e7-61f7-50c5-a890-ce2f2ed7f671.html
Victor Iannello, 55, a Roanoke County high-tech entrepreneur, is a member of an international group of scientists and experts, known as the Independent Group, who are trying to solve the mystery of the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
There is now the possibility that the plane was CFIT controlled flight at the end, but hopefully the investigators will soon allow the search data to be open sourced – once they’ve spent the $$$
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/21/mh370-hunt-team-leading-search-says-they-may-have-been-looking-in-wrong-place