I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
@Q What I am seeing out and about there is probably less support for remote control than the fire scenarios,I see quite a few going down the oxygen fire/wheel fire /engine fire /battery fire route and Alex with his lightning idea the problem with fire I guess is how did it keep flying if indeed it did .
Ken Taubins 2 plane theory looks interesting the devil is in the detail .
Dirk on veritas is quite convinced it is a defective adaptor plate he is not picking up much support for that idea .
Not seeing much to back up a shoot down accidental or otherwise.
People split on pilot hi-jack though I think it’s fair to say more people lean that way .
What else is there,a bomb no evidence so far that I can point too .
Hi-jack by persons onboard other than crew saw some ideas on that not much anymore.
Remote control takeover by PTB or foreign agents .
Some sort of hi-jack by hacking I have no idea if that is possible but have seen it mentioned .
Plenty seem to think it’s in DG not so many making a case that sticks,then there is stolen gold ,stolen drone tech,etc .
Cascading catastrophe.
Have you seen any others ?
BREAKING: Saudi Airlines flight makes emergency landing after American passenger dies mid-air
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/713166/Saudi-Airlines-emergency-landing-American-passenger-dies
You seem to have it covered, Pink.
Explosion theory derailed: investigators say no evidence MH370 ‘debris’ exposed to fire
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/09/22/explosion-theory-derailed-investigators-say-no-evidence-mh370-debris-exposed-fire
Jetstar plane fills with smoke and diverts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-37448239
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/09/26/pal-plane-safely-lands-in-manila-after-smoke-seen-in-cabin.html
MANILA, Philippines – A Philippine Airlines plane en route to Haneda airport in Tokyo returned to Manila’s airport 20 minutes into its flight Monday after the crew detected smoke in the cabin. The plane with 235 people on board landed safely and there were no reports of injury.
Firefighters and rescue teams were dispatched but the plane landed without incident.
Airline spokeswoman Cielo Villaluna said the A340-300 aircraft with 222 passengers and 13 crew members returned “due to a technical concern.”
She said the plane is being examined to determine why it had to turn back and the cause of the smoke was not known.
Passengers will continue with their journey Monday afternoon on a replacement flight, she added.
Debris examination
Preliminary examination of two items of debris recovered near Sainte Luce, Madagascar
Introduction
Published: 22 September 2016
Debris examination – update No. 4
Two items of fibreglass-honeycomb composite debris were recovered near Sainte Luce on the south-east coast of Madagascar, having reportedly washed ashore in February 2016. They were hand-delivered to the Australian Transport Safety Bureau on 12 September 2016. The items were initially reported in the media as being burnt.
This document summarises the ATSB’s preliminary examination of the items for any evidence of exposure to heat or fire…..
http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/aair/ae-2014-054/
MH17 – news
MH17: Dutch-led team to pinpoint Buk missile launch site
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37492322
An international team of prosecutors investigating the downing of flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014 will release its findings on Wednesday.
Before today, I did not know that MH17 was shot down by Russian rebels. That has been confirmed.
I did not know that Russian Tupolevs are shutting off their transponders whilst spooking passenger jets leaving Iceland. I did not know that this problem is leading to discussions about renewed U.S. presence at a shuttered air base in Iceland. Russia seems to be amping up its Arctic presence. The Bears have pulled similar stunts off the coast of other Arctic nations in recent years, but shutting off transponders?
I did not know that Blaine Gibson once went in search of the Arc of the Covenant.
There you go.
From 2014, after MH17 was shot down:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/world/russian-bombers-intercepted-near-canadian-airspace-1.2015670
Was Russian sending any messages to Malaysia when MH370 went missing? Can this possibility be dismissed?
Your not going to be very “covert” if your transponder is “squawking” away !
As a “foot note” to the above comment, there has been times when military aircraft on “combat operations” have forgotten to “turn off” their military transponders …..and have indeed been “visible”.
On another “note”, those sneaky Russians often fly along the FIR boundaries, just to add to the confusion.
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Aeroflot plane in Geneva searched for explosives, man arrested following bomb threat
https://www.rt.com/news/362653-bomb-threat-geneva-plane/
There were 115 passengers on board Aeroflot flight 2381, which was scheduled to depart for Moscow. All of them have been evacuated from the plane and are waiting to be transferred to another aircraft for the journey, according to an Aeroflot
The long hunt for a diversion airport
Richard Godfrey
18th October 2016
Introduction
MH370 passed waypoint IGARI at 17:20:31 UTC, and its transponder apparently stopped sending within one minute of passing that waypoint. Similarly, the VHF radios and SATCOM stopped transmitting at around the same time (source: Malaysian Factual Information, ADS-B, ATSB, DSTG).
Where did MH370 go from there and why?
Here is an attempt to answer that question…
http://www.duncansteel.com/archives/2839
http://www.abeldanger.org/mh370-boeing-uninterruptible-autopilo/
Does anyone know if previous editions of the Galaxy Note series cellphones were fire hazards? In September, Samsung warned that the Note 7 phones should not be turned on in flight. They’ve been recalled, and now some airlines are taking the extra precaution of banning them from flights altogether.
http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/nature_and_travel/2016/10/17/icelandair_and_wow_air_ban_the_samsung_galaxy_note_/
Another theory not sure it works it might interest you James.
https://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2016/10/20/61262/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/25/british-airways-emergency-25-passengers-sent-to-hospital-for-smo/
A similar situation, maybe? What else could cause only the crew to fall ill?
Dashcam footage has emerged showing the moment a plane crashed to the ground and exploded in Malta. Five people were killed in the accident, which reportedly occurred while the aircraft was en route to Libya.
The video, posted on Facebook by Laurent Azzopardi, shows the plane falling from the sky and erupting in a huge explosion. Azzopardi says he was driving to work when her dashcam captured the footage.
“A very shocking experience,”
https://www.rt.com/news/363865-malta-plane-crash-video/
Three FRENCH defence officials and two other people died when a surveillance plane crashed shortly after take-off at Malta International Airport on route to Libya.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37749817
“An unidentified aircraft” has crashed into the sea off the west coast of Myanmar, a Civil Aviation Department official said, as cited by Reuters, adding that Myanmar authorities are trying to locate the plane.
“The only thing I can tell you for sure at the moment is that it is not an aircraft from our domestic airlines, so far as we’ve checked,” senior department official Tin Maung Ni told Reuters.
A plane has landed under military escort at Prestwick / Glasgow Airport after it lost contact with air traffic control.
The Royal Air Force said Typhoon jets were scrambled from RAF Coningsby and RAF Lossiemouth to identify
an unresponsive civilian aircraft?
Once communication was re-established, the plane was escorted by the Typhoon from Lossiemouth to Prestwick.
Sonic booms were reported and the RAF confirmed that the Typhoons were cleared to operate at supersonic speed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-37803505
Yet they do not say who was is the aircraft?
Jesus, military aircraft were scrambled because airliner lost contact with traffic controllers, and time was of the essence if it was crashing. Who was on the plane was irrelevant.
Why do you constantly behave in this way?
Trowbridge are you a mentalist?
It’s a NEO
Malaysia to buy navy vessels from China in blow to U.S.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-china-defence-idUSKCN12S0WA
‘Windows melting’
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37804736
Boeing 767 bound for Miami experienced an “uncontained engine failure”
Why is it always a General Electric engine that suffers burn-out?
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/28/us/ohare-aircraft-incident/
The 161 terrified passengers and nine crew members scrambled to safety Friday afternoon after huge flames erupted on the right side of the plane.
Airport fire Chief Timothy Sampey said crews responded to a report of a No. 2 engine on fire. The plane, which had stopped well before the end of the runway, had about 43,000 pounds of fuel.
“This could have been absolutely devastating if it happened later,” he said.
Just when it seemed the search for missing Malaysia MH370 was drawing to a frustrating close with no result, PM can reveal that a plan is taking shape to extend the hunt…
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2016/s4567163.htm
MH370: Report suggests flight was not preparing for landing
4 hours ago
Most of those on board the Malaysia Airlines flight were Chinese nationals
Will debris solve MH370 mystery?
The MH370 relatives still searching
Video MH370: Relatives remember one year on
Reunion’s remarkable find
Wreckage analysis suggests Flight MH370 did not make a controlled descent into the Indian Ocean, says a new report.
The Boeing 777 disappeared while flying to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur with 239 people on board in March 2014.
The report from Australian investigators suggests the aircraft’s wing flaps were in a “cruise” position when it hit the ocean surface.
It casts further doubt on the theory supported by some analysts that someone was in control of the plane’s descent.
MH370: What we know
Among more than 20 items of debris, investigators focused their attention on the recovered right outboard wing flap section.
“The purpose of the examination was to inform the end-of-flight scenarios being considered by the search team,” the report said.
“The right flaperon was probably at, or close to, the neutral position at the time it separated from the wing.”
The release of the report comes as a team of international aviation and communications experts gather in Canberra to discuss the next stage of the search process.
The report from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), which is co-ordinating the search, is based on satellite data, flight simulations and a comprehensive analysis of debris which had drifted from the suspected crash site.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37843752
ASTB report
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2014/aair/ae-2014-054/
Now the investigators of the MH370 crash are saying that it was not a controlled crash by the pilots but one – surprise, surprise – in which the plane was out of control!.
These loons should be retired.
It is quite a mystery why they cannot find such a large aircraft?
Main Content
Correcting the Record
Misleading media reporting on the First Principles Review into the search for MH370
https://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/correcting-records/first-principles-review-into-the-search-for-mh370/#.WBwfTR-SXIk.twitter
perhaps the fly-by-wire software has bugs in it that people want to keep quit about.
Pings in the ocean are now being heard by Inuit hunters. It would be easy to make light of this, but consider that many nations, including Russia and China, want to lay claim to this region for its mineral rights, fishing and shipping.
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/people-in-the-arctic-are-hearing-a-strange-pinging-noise-coming-from-the-sea-floor/
http://byers.typepad.com/arctic/submarines/
Consider, too, the territorial challenges in the South China Sea.
More secret MH370 documents released
http://jeffwise.net/2016/11/14/more-secret-mh370-documents-released/
Do you think if the Americans were not holding Diego Garcia,
that MH370 might not have happened?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/735356/Plane-emergency-landing-Heathrow-Hong-Kong-fire-CPX250-Cathay-Pacific
The Boeing-777 flight CPX250 landed in Novosibirsk in north eastern Russia amid fears of a possible ‘aft cargo hold fire’.
Airport bosses confirmed the plane, carrying 214 passengers and 18 crew, had landed at the snow-covered Tolmachevo international airport at 12.20am (UK time).
The drama unfolded six hours into the flight and passengers took to Twitter to express their shock.
Can anything be more pathetic than survivors of passengers on MH370 being reduced to going to Madagascar to search its cost with Blaine Gibson for possible wreckage from the plane!
It’s far worse than looking for a needle in a haystack: it’s looking for haystacks which might have needles in them.
Malaysia Airlines continues court battle to stop efforts to force it to release documents related to airline and flight MH370 information.
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2016/12/07/mas-turnaround-on-documents-stumps-aussie-mh370-kin/
Payouts to survivors still not received, the airline not only refuses to disclose anything but wants the families to pay for the airline’s court expenses….I guess they must be hiding something so big, so actionable that its release would scandalize the world. What a proud moment that would be, the crowning glory of Malaysia’s countless corruptions.
What next? If this were a TV movie-of-the-week, they’d probably spice it up by sending a hitman to pick off all the survivors, one by one, until there was no one left to get one of those elusive-as-thin-air payouts.
If there has been no government pressure by the survivors’ and victims’ home countries by now, there should be. Malaysia’s actions are reprehensible, IMO. Ambassadors, get off your duffs.
Blaine Gibson and the survivors are the only momentum now. What will happen to all those bits and bobs of MH370, if they haven’t already been relegated to the burn barrel by corrupt Malaysia?
And guess what, one of the survivors visiting Madagascar, Jiang Hui, has found a piece of debris. possibly from the doomed airliner.
Now al he and others have to do is check all the other possible haystacks.
Then they will ultimately have all the possible pieces of debris.
Of course, let’s just hope by then that all the passengers are still hiding out at Diego Garcia!
If some the people were being kept in Diego Garcia,
they must have really pissed off OBOMBA
I do think that Obomba was angered by MI6 downing MH370 which was intended to heat up Chinese-Iranian relations when the POTUs was seeking the nuclear accord with Tehran, so he just made the plane disappear, even at Diego Garcia, though it crashed into the South China Sea which was immediately ruled out as a possibility, and still is.
It will just cost too much money now if it is ever found.
Now Egyptian investigators have found evidence of explosions on MS804, and has started a criminal investigation.
Perhaps, it will soon see that the crash of that Metrojet on the Sinai was also the result of Israeli sabotage.