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I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.

CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off.  It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft.  But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency.  (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency.  That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)

I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land  I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region.  Somewhere there is debris on the ocean.  There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented.  However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen.  In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.

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  • Reply ↓
    James

    “As to the US ability to shoot down civilian air craft we have the cases of
    PanAm 103 over Lockerbie in 1989”

    This guy is NUTS !

    The bomb was loaded onto the aircraft at Heathrow by the “PFPL”.

    Just like your “piece” on AF447. Totally wrong.

  • Reply ↓
    James

    Flying into a known storm (Capt on rest)
    Junior pilot remains flying
    Pitot tube obstructed
    Side stick (it is an airbus) pulled back by junior pilot (right seat)
    FMC can not calculate further so shuts down
    ACARS sends multiple error messages
    Capt returns but does not take control (third seat)
    Right seat pilot pushes forward.
    Left seat is still pulling back
    stall, stall, stall,
    End.

    You can read the actual finds …or read the crap you clearly believe.

  • Reply ↓
    Donald

    You will not believe the excuse they have come up for making no further attempts in recovering the plane wreckage, it is so unbelievable it will most likely join the ranks of “Best Bulldust for 2014”

    The plane crash now sits on A VOLCANO 🙂

    “..The cluster of suspected debris from Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 has been sighted above a giant undersea chain of volcanoes whose complex terrain has barely been charted…”

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/search-for-mh370-suspected-debris-lies-above-undersea-volcanoes-20140325-35gij.html#ixzz2wzIRZWUt

  • Reply ↓
    Ben

    Thx for that Kenneth. I’m not ready to declare him ‘Jesuit Revolutionary’, but he has been on the scent for reform.

  • Reply ↓
    katie

    Well good luck to you Ben, I find the search engine useless, you’ll need ‘some time’ to find anything amongst the thousands of comments !

  • Reply ↓
    Tim V

    Donald
    25 Mar, 2014 – 11:40 am thanks for that. It replicates a view I took here and was attacked for I seem to remember!!!!

  • Reply ↓
    Ben

    “Chinese journalists covering the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 from Canberra are furious at what they see as Australian government control of the media.
    On Sunday, two Chinese crews decided to chase Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss into a car park at the Australian Maritime Safety Authority after being denied access to an AMSA briefing attended by Australian media.
    The crews held an impromptu interview with Mr Truss but have complained at being ”locked out” of any chance to put questions to AMSA boss John Young. On Monday, AMSA posted a security guard at the front of its headquarters.
    George Yang, the chief correspondent for Hong Kong’s Phoenix Satellite Television, said he had been asked to prove his credentials while he prepared to do a cross from public land. ”This wouldn’t even happen in China,” Yang said.”

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-journalists-say-they-are-being-locked-out-of-amsa-media-briefings-20140324-35e8o.html#ixzz2wzMzNGuR

  • Reply ↓
    Donald

    Katie – This of course makes it impossible to find the black box, even if they say they found it the excuse will most likely be that some undersea eruption cooked it to smithereens, or perhaps the volcanic heat wiped the drive or maybe some Neptune-like creature poked it with a trident and made it unreadable. 🙂

  • Reply ↓
    Ben

    Manual control to overcome hydraulics? When hydraulics fail, the controls are tremendously difficult, as I understand it. If you had to fight the pressure of hydraulics, that would seem impossible.

    http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/control.html

    “There is a question of whether the takeover of the FMCS by some means would disable the cockpit controls, preventing the flight crew from regaining control of the aircraft. If the controls have direct mechanical linkages to the hydraulic systems, then the crew could probably overcome automated control by simply applying more force to the controls. However, if something had incapacitated or killed the flight crew and passengers first, then the FMCS presumably could have flown the planes into the targets without interference. It is not difficult to imagine a scenario by which the cabin could have been filled with a potent gas at a predetermined point in its flight. For example, the fact that cabin pressure varies as a predictable function of altitude would allow a barometric-triggered device to go off at a predetermined point in a flight.”

  • Reply ↓
    Kenneth Sorensen

    Ben wrote:

    Chinese journalists covering the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 from Canberra are furious at what they see as Australian government control of the media.

    -which got me thinking. Australia is part of the “5 eyes” – the five anglophone countries that won the Second World War [among others – not least the USSR], and I know the psychology of all nations, and it has not been difficult to ascertain that Australia is proud of being a subordinate of the US Marshall – responsible for keeping law and order in the South India and Pacific Oceans. So America can rely on Australia, now that the crime scene litteraly has washed up on its shores. And that’s why it has been transferred to Australia, away from the mess that countries like Malaysia can make of things.

  • Reply ↓
    Donald

    James – My info reads that there were massive waves of between 4 and 9 meters which made it ‘unsafe’ for our gallant navy to stay in the area.

    “Due to rough seas, HMAS Success departed the search area early this morning and is now in transit south of the search area until seas abate,”

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-debris-to-resume-in-indian-ocean/story-fnizu68q-1226863821771

    Poor sailors, it must have been hellish conditions

    Never mind that our Melbourne/Tasmania ferry only ever turns back from the world’s roughest seas when the waves reach heights of 20 meters … and that was years ago 🙂

    http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/20m-waves-force-Spirit-of-Tasmania-back-to-port/2005/02/03/1107228824206.html

  • Reply ↓
    Ben

    Kenneth; Australia has been formatted to the proper program.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_John_Boyce

    “Boyce, the son of a security chief at McDonnell Douglas, along with childhood friend Andrew Daulton Lee, were raised in the affluent seaside community of Palos Verdes Peninsula near Los Angeles. In 1974, Boyce was hired at TRW, a Southern California aerospace firm in Redondo Beach, California. His father, in his position as an aerospace security officer, was able to help his son obtain employment. Boyce eventually was promoted to a sensitive job in TRW’s “Black Vault” (classified communications center) with a top secret security clearance.
    Boyce claims that he began getting misrouted cables from the Central Intelligence Agency discussing the CIA’s desire to depose the government of Prime Minister Gough Whitlam in Australia. Boyce claimed the CIA wanted Whitlam removed from office because he wanted to close U.S. military bases in Australia, including the vital Pine Gap secure communications facility, and withdraw Australian troops from Vietnam. For these reasons some claim that U.S. government pressure was a major factor in the dismissal of Whitlam as prime minister by the governor general, Sir John Kerr, who according to Boyce, was referred to as our man Kerr by CIA officers.[1] Through the cable traffic Boyce saw that the CIA was involving itself in such a manner, not just with Australia but with other democratic, industrialized allies. Boyce considered going to the press, but believed the media’s earlier disclosure of CIA involvement in the 1973 Chilean coup d’état had not changed anything for the better.[citation needed]

  • Reply ↓
    Donald

    Kenneth, our media is not controlled by the government, don’t know what makes you think that but you are very, very wrong, in fact we have the world’s most independently minded news outlets.

    Thing is how do you expect the media to get its news on MH 370, it’s not as if they get to seat on the wing of an air force search plane or the bow or the navy’s ships .. In this case they, just like the rest of us, are bound by whatever story they are given.

  • Reply ↓
    Donald

    James, agreed on the icing bit, no need to lose one of our own planes on an operation that is only looking for bodies. best to let it go and come back when it’s nice and sunny.

    If we lose sight of the wreckage then tough, easy enough to find later on anyway, apparently it’s sitting on top of a huge volcano, can’t be that hard to find again.

    Good night, I’m off 🙂

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    So we are moving into two new theories: the Amelia-Earhart type, Bermuda Triangle, volcanic force field, and the pitot tubes being blocked by ice? Nothing like recycling a good plot line. Gives handlers more time to scrub old news stories, instead of wasting valuable time on a more credible scenario.

    Now Ben, why did you have to go and mention Pine Gap?

    http://www.2012.com.au/Pine_Gap,other_bases.html

    This leads around in a circle to a relative (a geophysicist for the USGS, who protested at Pine Gap) of deceased scientist Lachlan Cranswick. Cranswick, originally from Melbourne, who worked at a nuclear facility in Canada in neutron beam research and X-ray crystallography.

    Cranswick also spent time in the map room at Columbia University. Remote sensing, or geomatics, uses some of the techniques that Cranswick specialized in, although there is nothing in writing to connect him to that field.

    It has been months since I’ve mentioned him on the al-Hilli threads, and now here I go again.

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