I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
If you get all caught up in the Pine Gap article, perhaps remembering that neutron beams emit a blue light will bring you back to earth.
This, from the conspiratorial Popular Mechanics, Q.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/engineering/architecture/strangest-military-bases-gallery-joint-defense-space-research-facility#slide-8
“How It’s Unique: Pine Gap’s collection of eight or so radomes and its remote location have sparked many UFO-related rumors, both in Australia and abroad. The main function of Pine Gap is to monitor any missile activity in the region and relay intelligence to U.S. and Australian forces. Schulz points out there are certain military installations, like Pine Gap or HAARP, that can only operate effectively in certain geographical areas. “Even though they’re in terrible environments, some portion of that land is strategically important,” he says. In 2009, the Australian Department of Defence announced plans to upgrade antiquated equipment at the facility, indicating that Pine Gap has a long future ahead of it.”
Infrared sats. Heat signature from rogue jet made no impression?
“There is a second aspect of Pine Gap’s activities, which was never envisaged by the government that allowed its establishment. Following the closure of the U.S. base at Nurrungar in 1999, Pine Gap has hosted a remote ground station for several generations of U.S. early warning satellites. Powerful infrared telescopes on geostationary satellites detect the thermal signature of ballistic missile launches.”
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What’s this about the Boeing autopilot changing modes before crashes?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/combination-of-factors-blamed-for-fatal-resolute-bay-plane-crash/article17657641/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Air_Flight_6560
Contrast with:
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/investigators-detail-flight-mode-changes-in-moments-prior-to-asiana-394015/
Those amazing neutron beams:
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com/dr20130605-laserdriven-neutrons-to-detect-nuclear-smuggling
Q; “The scientists interrogated a closed container with nuclear material inside and an empty closed container and then compared the results. They found that the laser-driven-neutron-interrogation method not only confirmed the presence of nuclear material, but it told them the quantity as well.”
They certainly have the capacity, but do they exercise the will? Granny gets a body-cavity search, but somehow human error is responsible when the system doesn’t work.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/burmax2019s-nuclear-secrets-20090731-e4fv.html
http://geopium.org/380/illegal-trades-across-national-borders-of-mainland-southeast-asia
Would a commercial airliner be used for trafficking in nuclear weapons? No more outrageous than other theories.
I think this WPO article gives a good laymans explanation of how Inmarsat arrived at the “Southern corridor”. It also makes the point that no aircraft debris has actually been found and certainly not the plane itself.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/achenblog/wp/2014/03/25/mh370-no-they-did-not-find-the-plane/
Wheels within wheels. TRINITY fruits.
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1907343,00.html
“From most accounts, the Kang Nam 1 is a rusty old freighter, inching along at a paltry 10 knots an hour. By Thursday, it was believed to be chugging through Chinese or Taiwanese waters, having left the North Korean port of Nampo a week ago, and headed, according to the South Korean press, to the Burmese port of Thilawa. Its cargo is unknown; Burma’s state newspaper claims authorities expect the arrival of a “rice-bearing” North Korean vessel, though most news reports suspect the Kang Nam 1 bears a load of small arms and other conventional weapons. North Korea, whose people have lived on the verge of famine for decades, is not a known food exporter.
What it does export is invariably shrouded in mystery. Pyongyang exists frozen outside the global economy and raises funds through a host of backdoor activities, including the manufacture of counterfeit money and dissemination of its military secrets and technological capabilities to a whole network of dubious customers.”
Obama speaks from the Hague.
“”So my response then continues to be what I believe today, which is: Russia’s actions are a problem. They don’t pose the number one national security threat to the United States. I continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan,” said Obama.”
He’s a conspiracy nutter.
On topic ! This is the topic right ?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11226334
The captain of Flight 370 was in no state of mind to fly the day it disappeared and could have taken the Boeing 777 for a “last joyride” before crashing into the Indian Ocean, a fellow pilot says.
Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s world was crumbling, said the long-time associate. He had been facing serious family problems, including separation from his wife and relationship problems with another woman he was seeing.
The man, who spoke to the Herald on condition of anonymity, said Captain Zaharie was “terribly upset” when his wife told him she was leaving and believed he may have decided to take the Malaysia Airlines plane to a part of the world he had never flown in.
Yes James. Pilot suicide is still in the mix, along with the Bermuda Triangle, alien transport and hacking of command/control.
What was the last dazed and confused ACARS receipt…7 hours? He sure had buyers remorse.
Ben
So is “Iranian missiles launched by radical Jews on the behest of Hamerica” ?
You go for it pal !
On the Silk Air crash (pilot suicide/murder)
The NTSB unambiguously declared: ‘Of greatest concern are the statement that “the NTSC is unable to find the reasons for the departure of the aircraft from its cruising level of FL 350 and the reasons for the stoppage of the flight recorders”
and that
the “investigation has yielded no evidence to explain the cause of the accident.”
Indonesia “refused” the investigations finding of pilot suicide (not including murder) on cultural grounds.
If this “is” pilot suicide, he’s also made a mockery of his employer and the current political “regime” in Malaysia
I understand the thread of motivation you are weaving, and agree it’s a 3-strikes decision, but still….he flew on (or he chose death by hypoxia and set fbw until fuel ran out) for 7 hours?
This is your hypothesis in vitro? BTIM you are sectoring that theory despite the lackluster attempts, feebly wanking their news releases with possible explanations ad infinitum, (just as we sometimes do here) with all our superb sat resolution, even with night-vision capability, no data was stored to enlighten further?
BTW; My 4 night-vision cameras w/2TB dvr, can record all four for 30 days before overwrite.
Seems a trifle, in comparison.
So the others theories are ?
Fire onboard ? Impossible.
Catastrophic failure ? Impossible.
Mechanical failure causing hypoxia ? Impossible.
The aircraft has navigated whilst “out of contact”.
Q
25 Mar, 2014 – 2:31 pm at the risk of being shouted down from a certain quarter, I agree with you re. Chevaline Q. We had very conflicting indicators there as we know. (WBM couldn’t. PD/B could but only if he went back down the valley) Then there was SAH with TWO mobiles a SOP for those engaged in spystuff. The 3.48 call again which has never been satisfactorily located to identified individual. The after photos show satellite dish for communication on a police vehicle so access to satellite obviously not out of the question. Undoubtedly the killing team would have been issued with latest state of the art communication equipment that could have included satellite phones made by Motorola perhaps?
You appear to be on the wrong forum again dear chap.
So “f*** **f”
James; Are you familiar with facts on TWA 800 investigation?
Q
25 Mar, 2014 – 2:45 pm and Donald
Is this what you were after????
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/not-forgetting-the-al-hillis/comment-page-100/#comment-448319
@Ben 25 Mar, 2014 – 3:26 pm
“Time’s a wastin’ on the flight recorder. Does the cockpit recorder have the same battery life?”
The pinging device is external to the recorder box. There are several manufacturers with different specs — loudness and ping frequency which determines detectable range. They all guarantee a minimum battery life of 30 days for full power output, but that doesn’t mean they suddenly stop pinging at 30 days. Some may continue longer at full power and then gradually taper off in intensity. One story said a recorder box was found still active after 50 days.
” One story said a recorder box was found still active after 50 days.”
NR;
That explains the stalling. It’s been what, 18 days, and they are predicting the new=fangled sonar search will commence in 7-10 days?
Human error and bureaucracy; useful twin idiots.
@katie 25 Mar, 2014 – 8:32 am
“I’ve had another thought about that muffled or was it mumbled [which could change with translation] message the Vietnamese mentioned…now denied.”
It’s denied or discredited in some accounts and still active in others. One report mentioned Vietnamese ATC asked all aircraft in the area to try and contact MH370 and many did, receiving no response; the reply was that one reported as “mumbled”.
Re a wrong-airport landing of a 737 on a too-short runway.
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/03/24/audio-captures-confusion-of-southwest-wrong-airport-landing/
James; Are you familiar with facts on TWA 800 investigation?
Yeah…? But that’s not Silk Air or MAS 307.
I do love the “one liners” that are thrown in…
I also know the Gulf of Tonkin, the change to the German Mark, and Dr Kelly.
All “causes” of war (although blamed on other things….)
But lets take your point…and throw out “America” in the investigation of anything.
This investigation will be Australian.
Have you ever read their report on Silk Air ?
They go further than the NTSB.
Indonesia tried the same trick….and Malaysia will try to do the same trick.
I am all for “ongoing checks” on pilots. I think they need it.
As a “point”… there are pilots I refuse to fly with. They are “incapable”.
I get that choice (in private).
They usually end there careers flying (hopefully) for BIG JET. And hopefully they get “pulled” and ditched and ditched by the big corporates.
But for F/S don’t pull the “do you know TWA 800” trick.
The NTSB found “probable cause” it was/has not been confirmed.
Call Clinton an ask him ! Mind you he kept Bush at bay, and God only knows what he would have been up to if Clinton was beaten (second term) !
James
25 Mar, 2014 – 3:06 pm You say:
“This guy is NUTS !”
“The bomb was loaded onto the aircraft at Heathrow by the “PFPL”.”
Oh James you’ll strain your brain trying to pick holes. Are you OBSESSED with me or not? Everyone KNOWS the former was shot down and the latter was a bomb on board. The first was DEFINITELY an example of the Americans shooting down a civilian aircraft. The second the jury is still out but likely at the very least to have CIA involvement. THAT IS THE POINT not pathetic semantics.
u say “Just like your “piece” on AF447. Totally wrong.”
How can it be totally wrong when its verbatim from the the recovered flight recorder? You claim to be a pilot too? Some pilot.
Think you are the “GUY WHO IS NUTS”
Tim
Your “piece” wasn’t the transmissions !
Nor was it the report !
It was crap.
Have you actually read the transcript ?
Have you actually read the final report ?
“The bomb was loaded onto the aircraft at Heathrow by the “PFPL”.”
That was Lockerbie by the way !
You believe it was “Libya” ????
Read the court transcripts.
Read the “refusal” to appeal to go to the high court
You MISS facts Tim *and you’re a nutter)
“Everyone KNOWS the former was shot down and the latter was a bomb on board. The first was DEFINITELY an example of the Americans shooting down a civilian aircraft”
LOCKERBIE !!!!!
You’re odd ! Way odd !