I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/europe/summit-plane-intercept/
Boeing 777 intercepted by dutch airforce ….
There seems to be a 777-200 ghost-fleet in the air right now …. 🙂
Was it a test?
Sorrensen, Obama’s mouth is playing up again !
Challenging Putin like that is totally irresponsible.
NR.
Thanks, I realise the doppler effect is not the same as an echo, I just wondered if Inmarsat have mistaken or could have misread the info they’ve received.
The chap I heard on TV, said they had to work ‘backwards’ from the pings, so that would mean the doppler sound would be from the previous ping.
An echo has an echo has echo…………..
I know this is all way above me but sometimes naive questions can throw up some unthought of ideas.
If a plane is pinging a satellite as it’s travelling at high speed ,then surely it will ping a different satellite 2/4/6 hours later so why are they talking about the doppler effect at all ?
Really why we should believe them when we know any number of satellites/radar must have picked up this plane, long before this.
I know when we use to sail across the channel in a small 30ft boat, in the old days, we always used a radar reflector for ships to see us at night.
A simple thing at the top of the mast & they worked.
To believe that something like like a 777 was not spotted zipping around changing height, way off course in a highly sensitive region makes a mockery of all the information we are being fed.
This mornings press conference now under way.
So Obama is going on a ‘pre’ planned trip to Malayasia in a few weeks time, I bet all the radar will be working efficiently for his flight across that region !
@katie 26 Mar, 2014 – 9:34 am
It’s way beyond me too. I think what they meant by working backward was like reverse engineering, not that they went backward in time from a ping to the previous one.
Since the satellites appear stationary above the earth, and there are three of them to cover the entire earth, for a plane traveling north or south it would use the same satellite. If it was traveling east or west it would change satellites at the point where coverage overlapped, like mobile phones connecting to the nearest tower.
I read a bit from a physics professor who worked on one satellite system. It’s astoundingly complicated: the earth isn’t a sphere, but fatter at the equator; synchronous satellites don’t exactly stay in one place, they drift about slightly in a figure-eight pattern; solar winds; variations in gravity; etc., etc.
He didn’t know if all these factors were taken into account by Inmarsat and if they weren’t how much error they’d cause in the final position of the crash.
I’d guess that Inmarsat, being a satellite company did take them into account. Plus their calculations were checked by other experts.
Hello everybody:
My topic for today shall be radio communications and signals jamming by the Chinese; It appears that on the night of the disappearance for MH 370 many areas of the world had their radio and TV signals jammed.
http://advanced-skynet.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/broadcast-radio-jamming.html
In Egypt a TV station also had its satellite signals jammed, the Egyptian government was blamed for it although no proof was found; but what I found more interesting (no link as yet) is that Ham Radio Operators reported jamming signals from the South East Asia area.
I’ve also found out that although most of the passengers on MH-370 could not make mobile phone calls, the entertainment system in the first class area did indeed provide its passengers with the ability to make Satellite based phone calls. (Unless an outside source jammed them)
For those of you who might understand about Ham radio broadcasting/listening this page might be interesting, specifically some of the signals mentioned in the bottom of the page.
http://contatodx.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/glenn-hauser-logs-march-6-8-2014.html
With regards the Inmersat data I fail to understand just how miniscule a difference seven signals 420 Kilometers apart from each other would make to a satellite 35,000 Kilometers away.
The angle of the signals as they reach the satellite would be so small that I doubt if any equipment would even measure it. But if it were measurable then the curvature of the earth plus the fact that the plane is not truly flying a straight path would make any measurements null.
And on top of that the atmospheric refractions of the signals would make all the little differences all look alike .. I can’t see it being possible to get accurate measurements as it is said they did, I’d love to see their maths, anyone seen them?
Hi Donald, funny you should post on that , see this guy, he’s a reviled politician in the UK, but he has regularly commented on Twitter that the plane is in DG.
Today he’s saying this:
george galloway @GeorgeTGalloway 1h
#USA military blocked d radars, jammed mobile phones & Hijacked #MH370 to #DiegoGarcia(8:20 am ,March 8). Everything else is propaganda/lies
This is the first time I’ve ever agreed something he’s said.
George Galloway on Iran Air Flight 655
Iran Air Flight 655, also known as IR655, was a civilian airliner shot down by US missiles on 3 July 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7CHmwc-ycY#t=12
Hello Katie: The day after the disappearance a blogger commented that as the airplane was climbing another “ping” could be seen departing from a ship below it, as if a plane had taken off from an aircraft carrier. after MH-370 made its turn west the other plane supposedly descended back to the ship. I thought nothing of it at the time and so never gave my bot a link to it. I shall look into it.
They are now saying that they have found 122 new objects in 400 Km area in the Indian Ocean … unfortunately the weather .. you know, as usual no one can get near it. 🙂
More than likely a bunch of seats dropped from a plane to give the sea some decor … for the reporters, they need pretty pictures 🙂
The site in the link below offers some good questions for bloggers to tap into.
1)Since the first class passengers on MH370 had access to the internet, is it possible to check their Facebook, Tweeter pages to see if any of them left a message in them?
2) Could Diego Garcia have been the target of a terrorist plot using this plane? Could you imagine a US naval base having to choose whether to shoot down a fully-loaded civilian airliner out of the sky?
http://americablog.com/2014/03/unanswered-questions-malaysia-air-flight-370.html
Donald, this certainly would explain why no phone calls were received.
No one mentioned an aircraft carrier [ except me asking why not ] in the region, if this is true then why is it not used in the reconnaissance ?
Why have journalists not asked this question ?
So…..the second plane can’t be the one Bluebird has mentioned because a 777 couldn’t take off from an aircraft carrier.
The blogger in question mentioned four separate bleeps on the radar showing no transponder signals, one of them lifted from the surface of the sea, climbed rapidly towards MH-370 and then came back down again after MH-370 made it turn westwards .. whether this is true or not I am not sure. I have a good understanding of how radar signals work but no working knowledge of radar maps.
While I’m at it, Diego Garcia’s radar has a 900 Km working range and apparently it always has fighter planes circling its territory thus increasing the range. Perhaps someone could check on it.
The latest Malaysian announcement:
” In the East sector, searches will be conducted by:
· one Australian P3 Orion, and three Australian civilian aircraft.
· one Chinese Ilyushin IL-76.
· one New Zealand P3 Orion.
In the West sector, searches will be conducted by:
· one US P8 Poseidon.
· one Korean P3 Orion.
· one Japanese P3 Orion.
· two Australian P3 Orions, and one civilian aircraft.
Two ships will also join the search operations.
Yesterday ‘HMAS Success’ was redeployed to the south of the search area due to bad weather. Today the ship has returned and will support the search operation in the West sector.
Meanwhile, the Chinese ship ‘Xue Long’ has today been deployed to the East sector.
A Japanese Coast Guard gulfstream aircraft left Subang this morning for Perth, to join the search operation.”
What I find amazing is not ONE European or N. American ship or aircraft! Can anyone explain why this is? Is Boeing not an American firm? Is not aircraft safety an international issue? Is it not in these countries’ interest to get to the bottom of a aeroplane disaster?
That is really weird, I’ve just written quite along reply on the US military & DG, & it won’t post,has wiped the comment & stayed on a blank page !
What about the Cocos Island Radar system? If the plane flew towards the Southern Indian Ocean then its flight path placed it directly over the top of these islands … the Islands have a small airport there and I believe it has radar
Tim, why waste time & money when they know where the plane is ?
The Americans know exactly where it is & I’d venture what happened to it.
The Indian searches were cut short very quickly, when in truth they could not have been thorough in a the short time they took in that direction .
I wonder if they & other governments have been told the brave US fought off a terrorist attack but please don’t frighten the public with this news , that would explain why everyone in the region is being so helpfully docile.
Look what the Twitterati are saying on Diego Garcia.
Hope this link works;
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mh370%20diego%20garcia&src=tyah
Take a look at this & ask yourself ,why would a missing plane be mentioned in this context ?
“Chief of CIA division for spying on Iran is suspended over internal mutiny DEBKAfile Special Report March 18, 2014, 10:39 AM (IST) Tags: CIA, Iran nuclear, Intelligence,
CIA Headquarters at Langley, Va.
CIA Headquarters at Langley, Va.
The CIA’s chief of Iran operations, Jonathan Bank, 46 a veteran of the service, was sent home on paid leave over disarray in his department, US, Russian and Iranian media reported Tuesday, March 18. The department was notified of this step last week at CIA headquarters in Langley, Va. after its members rose up in “open rebellion” against Banks, according to the Los Angeles Times.
Given the high importance and sensitivity of this department, it was most likely Intelligence Director John Brennan in person who delivered the notice.
DEBKAfile’s intelligence sources report that internal crises in US clandestine agencies are normally kept under tight wraps and rarely see the light of day.
But with major crises hitting the roof for Washington with the threatened meltdown of relations with Moscow over Ukraine and Crimea, unresolved Mid East issues and the missing Malaysian airliner, John Brennan would have been obliged to step in expeditiously to contain the breakdown of a complete CIA division in “open revolt” against its chief.”
http://linkis.com/www.debka.com/articl/F7HdC
On the day of the disappearance Diego Garcia had scheduled no arrival or departure flights for 72 hours
I believe the US (who have some capabilities of their own, as we are now all aware post-snowden) has forced Israel to abandon their plot – where they were thinking of crashing the MH370 into the Sea — which I think has just happened — and suddenly make its twin — which was kept in a hanger in Tel Aviv — crash into the Azrieli Towers in Tel Aviv.
Thanks to the uncontrollable internet, people are now so informed that Israel cannot pull off another 9/11.
Lieut. Gen. Rafael Eitan, Israeli Chief of Staff, 1978-83:
Source:”The Colombia Connection,” Jerusalem Post, September 1, 1989
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JON….please delete Sorrenson repeats. 😉
This may be nearer the truth !
‘We also know that the 777/200 is a “fly by wire” aircraft with controls in place that allow the CIA to remotely pilot the plan “in case of emergency.” We were able to verify the design and implementation of this system through Boeing, Raytheon and commercial pilots.
“BAD NEWS”
The descriptions today in the New York Times and other publications are purposefully inaccurate and contradictory. Their explanations of how commercial aircraft communicate and are tracked are fanciful at best, at worst “criminal.”
CIA CONTROLS COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT
When Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 was reported as having crashed in the South China Sea, a massive cover up began yet no one will speak of it, nothing is written of it and its broad consequences are a subject of no investigation.
While people around the world were told the plane was “lost” or “crashed,” it was being monitored by NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and its regional defines partners through secret systems installed in the plane.”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/25/355959/the-cia-hoax-flight-370-revealed/
I agree with Katie – you can delete the first [of the repeats]. I can’t help it: I strive for [graphically] excellence. It’s not perfect , but clearly – you can take it as a general rule that the last post in a repetetive series is always the best
Possible interesting find in the Maldives:-
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1062040943&postcount=2392
Katie
26 Mar, 2014 – 7:12 am and INTP1 previous re. “pings” it is indeed difficult to make sense of them or the reasoning behind their interpretation. As you ask, with such objective technical information and nearly three weeks to analyse it, how can the basic number keep changing. We can agree interpretation of the pings is more problematic but not surely how many were received and when? A “partial ping” has now been announced eight minutes after the last full one. So how is that explained if it only puts out the beacon hourly? If the plane flew for an hour in a NW direction, then about another hour in a westerly direction, presumably two of the eight pings must have occurred before its alleged southerly trajectory but nothing is said about this. As always the published information is partial, confused and controversial.
So it seems — acoording to the photos Straw linked to –that it crashed off the Maldives, but the Americans insisted that the story told form there on should be that it crashed off Australias coast, because Australia is one of the “five eyes” that can be trusted [to swallow this story, which the US is not proud of, but the US will do anything to cover the asses of Israelis.
Bluebird
26 Mar, 2014 – 9:28 am a cargo B777 with a bomb on board landing on all the western leaders would certainly qualify as a BIG EVENT. From Chile a hotbed of CIA interference. Was it a test run or a mild warning/reminder or am I just getting ahead of myself? (Again?)
Yes you are — again — ‘getting ahead of yourself’ (to use your own words, beacuse the event in the Netherlands was a non-event, and the plane was able to return to the Netherlands, after a detour to Frankfurt, Germany.