I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
posted an excerpt from link and MODERATED.
Ben & Donald, I’d go with that, 20 Freescale engineers,1 IBM man & what were they taking with them plus any prototype models, or computers containing information on their latest research.
All now retained by the Americans.
Being moderated Ben ?
Odd ………that happened to me yesterday when I was trying to post something on the US military !
Katie; I’m chalking it up to software ignorance. They haven’t published keywords I think because they have inadvertently checked the wrong boxes and are trying to figure it out. They seem to be having problems in Houston. 🙂
I think the Freescale guys were going to Beijing for a reason.
http://iws-ieee.org/
Where they launched this
http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsarticle
“Freescale Expands RF Mobile Radio Portfolio with New Device for Handheld Applications”
March 23, 2014 09:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time
International Wireless Symposium (XI’AN, China)
Hence…. the “52 week high”.
No explanation needed (and I guess Chinese employees would be good to have there !)
http://s23.a2zinc.net/clients/MPAssociates/IWS2014/Public/EventMap.aspx
Logic see !
Logic or diversion; You make the call/
Freescale is so rich in their bizness expenses that they fly their people in a week before the symposium.
Maybe they had to perfect their Powerpoint presentation…:)
So that Symposium didn’t take place.
Freescale were definitely not an exhibitor there.
And they certainly did not launch a new product.
Are you for real ? How bizarre are you becoming ?
So why submit? (rhetorical question alert)
Ben
I’m not arguing with cranks or the clinically insane.
Have a nice life, get medical help, whatever…. You skip my posts. I will yours.
“You skip my posts. I will yours.”
I’m not making any deals with you.
Okay Ben !
I’ll now skip your posts… and you can read my posts !
Like I said, a crank or insane.
“I’m not making any deals with you”.
By the way, I’m still belly laughing at that post. It’s a classic.
Former head of the NTC (or shall I say CIA) Mustapha Abdeljalil
http://www.globalresearch.ca/propaganda-alert-the-lockerbie-bombing-who-was-behind-it-libya-iran-or-the-cia/5373053?print=1
“EVIL Libyan dictator Colonel Gaddafi personally ordered the Lockerbie jet bombing, a former top aide sensationally revealed yesterday. […] Gaddafi’s ex-justice minister said he could prove the brutal tyrant was behind the deaths of 270 people when Pan Am Flight 103 blew up over the Scottish town on December 21 1988. Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, who recently quit as justice minister in protest at the regime’s violent crackdown on anti-government demos, said Gaddafi ordered Abdelbaset al-Megrahi to plant the bomb.”
Of course, now we have the credible Iranian defector, saying Iran is the culprit in Lockerbie.
Times change, but the strategy is timeless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Malaysia_relations
The most interesting part:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Malaysia_Israel.JPG
So Malaysian Airlines would only very reluctantly sell the old plane to Israel.
Straw….
It was “stored” in Tel Aviv, not “sold to”.
That in itself id “odd”.
I can think of numerous “parkings” that would be cheaper than flying it to Tel Aviv.
There is “one” other thing with “MKI” also.
Check it’s flight history. One flight in particular.
That flight may have been a “recovery” for a plane that had gone tech. I don’t know. Seems the only answer I can come up with.
Then check MH8008 (and odd flight number)
Two flights have flown that route (the normal number is only three numbers).
Let me know what you think. You’ll be surprised.
Again. Apologies for repetition. Mossad is known for dealing in stolen passports.
Last year (on the 8th of March) 9M-MRI flies AMS to KUL as MH17.
The next day (the 9th of March) 9M-MRI flies JED to KUL as MH151.
Did it ferry KUL to JED ?
It must have done.
Whatever operated as MH150 (KUL to JED) the day previous must have gone tech.
The only explanation. Hence the ferry/recovery flight.
If the “tin foil hat” brigade did some actual reading, then they may be an assistance in finding out “the truth”, whichever way it points.
James
I can only check history for the last 14 days (without paying. though maybe by registering), so my investigating is limited by that. However I do seem to remember 9M-MRO having been to Jeddah like MH8008, the others in that little batch just seem to have landed at KUL without stating where they flew from.
James,
From your links, I can’t make out whether the symposium went ahead or not. I could understand if they postponed it after losing 120 fellow Chinese citizens in the ‘crash’.
It is also easy to understand why the US would not want their staff releasing & talking about their newest technology in China who are known copyists.
I’m still suspicious that 20 of them were all on the same flight.
James
26 Mar, 2014 – 5:38 pm YOU ARE A FIRST RATE T W A T. u get on my f’in tits. But then that’s what 6′ 3′ of of irish/jewish descent flying all those years at 35 k and getting all that extra radiation has done to yur head obviously.
Even I know PA103 WASN’T shot down. It was a BOMB stupid. It was Iran Air Flight 655 that was shot down. Why do you have to misrepresent my shorthand? u r clearly an unprincipled imbecile who is intent, and always has been, in how did you put it? “winding me up”? Well bully for you. Once your main grouse was absence of paragraphs ffs but that was Chevaline. ABSENCE OF PARAGRAPHS!!!! Then here you got so so so upset over a reference to Chevaline ! Only you care.
Either you need to get out more or you are working for an agency with a brief to monitor and disrupt just as you did on Chevaline. I will leave it to the judgement of others which is the more likely.
Katie
It went ahead. And Freescale launched their latest offering without a problem.
Straw
There’s a daily service to JED. And charters for the Hajj.
But they park a plane in Tel Aviv ?
Timbo…
I ignore you.
First you say it was shot down, then you say it wasn’t !
I really don’t have a clue what you’re going to come out with next.
…and we do fly higher than FL350 mucker. We is privado !
Freescale was highlighting improved handheld wireless tech at that symposium.
8 of the employees were Beijing based, and 12 Malay based.
The Malay operation is strictly assembly and testing. Can’t see why they would ferry any of them to China for a trade show 2 weeks in advance either, if at all. As far as the 8 chinese based senior engineers and designers, they are likely to have been in Malay consulting on production of new tech. Anyway, doubt there is a link to the trade show.
Katie
26 Mar, 2014 – 6:15 pm Jamie is right about Lockerbie and so am because we both agree it was not a rocket it was a bomb, and it wasn’t Libya (that was blames) but probably Iranian hatched plan using Lebanon based Ahmad Jabril.
” Al Jazeera claims to have seen US Defence Intelligence Agency cables which reported that the leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine General Command (PFLP-GC), Ahmad Jabril, had been paid to plan the bombing.
It quotes a “classified” cable as saying “money was given to Jabril upfront in Damascus for initial expense. The mission was to blow up a Pan-Am flight.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-26528745
The Telegraph had this: “The CIA secretly held Syrian militants, rather than Libya, responsible for the Lockerbie bombing, according to newly unearthed testimony from a former US spy in the Middle East.
Dr Richard Fuisz said in a sworn deposition in 2001 that he was told by up to 15 senior Syrian officials that the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC) had carried out the attack.
He also testified that CIA bosses told him the PFLP-GC was responsible, according to a lawyer’s note of a second deposition. Ahmed Jibril, the group’s founder leader, who is still alive at 75, was singled out as being to blame for the downing of Pan Am flight 103 over Scotland in December 1988, killing 270 people.”
On the basis of “broad stroke” deposition by CIA asset Dr Richard Fuisz in early 2001, the Americans knew it wasn’t Libya from 1990 onwards yet continued to pursue them and knowingly lied that it was.
“Aviv was the owner of Interfor Inc, a private investigation company based on Madison Avenue, New York. Aviv claimed to be a former Mossad officer[17] who led the Operation Wrath of God team that assassinated members of Black September who were believed to have been responsible for the Munich Massacre in 1972. According to his theory, the CIA knew in advance that the baggage exchange would take place, but let it happen anyway, because the protected drugs route was a rogue operation, and the American intelligence officers on PA 103 – Matthew Gannon and Maj. Charles McKee – had found out about it, and were on their way to Washington to tell their superiors.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103_conspiracy_theories#CIA_drug_smuggling
In other words the US was doing as it had done before (Col North et al) exchanging drugs for information and arms and could have stopped the BOMBING if it had wanted to. In other words as to my original point that jamie is paid to discredit, the US was directly or indirectly responsibly in bring down both civil aircraft by way precedent.
Tim V, how about popping over to visit Chevaliners? Intp1 had a [very] good idea but help is needed from those so inclined.
PS no more tiffies, OK?
Spot on as always Bluebird
27 Mar, 2014 – 10:10 am. Add to this the quite untypical flight characteristics, up and down, turning this way and that. Even little “noncy” jamie would pull his thumb out and maybe ask his boss what was going on. And not even the “thought it was flying back to base” works either does it? For the simple reason it wasn’t. It was on a quite different course. Did it drop to 5 k or 20 k. Either if within range of air traffic control or military radar this could not have failed to raise alarm bells.