I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
That’s true NR, so have we got any idea what could prevent further ‘pings’ , what in the extreme could be done to stop a satellite knowing where a plane is ?
I don’t know why magnets come to mind !
The Northern corridor looks just as likely a territory as the Southern one, a quick turn left before reaching fuel limit would place the plane somewhere in the Northern areas of Pakistan or Afghanistan.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/03/15/1226855/798728-corridorsearch_1d.jpg
Could there have been a planned terrorist attempt ?
William & Kate arrived in the Maldives on the 6th for a week.
‘They arrived on a British Airways flight at around 9.40am on Thursday, according to local media reports.
The couple are understood to be holidaying at a newly opened private resort island in the northern part of the Maldives. ‘
http://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/463390/Prince-William-and-Kate-Middleton-fly-to-Maldives-for-week-long-holiday
As to ‘tin-foil hattery’;
Bloodhounds are utilized in searches because humans are limited in their sensibilities.
But humans are capable of reason, and therefore can patch available facts with instincts.
Interestingly, most IQ tests don’t categorize intuition because it’s difficult to measure.
Try some heuristics to flesh out what is available.
The cockpit VR runs on a 2-hour loop. Allowing the Flying Dutchman to continue for several hours before ditching takes care of that evidence, as well. You know, just in case we actually find any evidence.
Pull the CB’s in the E/E Bay.
Saves you six hours of flying my friend !!!!
Put your tin foil hat back on and think again Kemosabe.
Of course this piece is a few days old..
“But the SATCOM network interrogations pings continued, even though ACARS data was not being transmitted. This suggests that ACARS was somehow disabled in some way other than by disabling SATCOM.
The SATCOM/VHF/HF radios are all discrete avionics blocks and are separate from the avionics blocks generating the message traffic on the radio signals. The radios aren’t dumb signal-forward devices, they have intelligent modems that build the digital link over the radio wave. Think the PHY device on a network card or the optical transceiver module in a router or switch. The data messaging level is one step back, you push the message onto the radio’s input channel and it encodes it into a modulated analog signal and sends it on over the antenna.
If you disable or fail the block that generates the ACARS messages, or the transponder block, and the SATCOM block remains powered and operational, you would get the situation where the SATCOM keep-alive signals are present, but no data can flow.
The CBs for SATCOM are not on the flight deck but are located down below in the EE bay (electronics equipment bay).
To cut ACARS you need to access the electronics bay behind and under the cockpit.
Turning off transponders, and VHF Data Link radios for the ACARS system is more straight forward through the control tuning panel. But shutting down the Satellite communication is not as straight forward and may have not been turned off.
ACARS and SATCOM are two different “boxes”. ACARS compiles information, and then sends it with SATCOM (in this case). Pulling the breaker(s) on either one would stop ACARS transmissions but I’m pretty sure you need to get to the electronics bay in either case.
On PPRuNe a 777 pilot mentioned that you can simply turn on/off various ACARS broadcasting modes (VHF/HF/SATCOM) from the computer right there in the cockpit
But you need to pull the CB in the EE bay to stop SATCOM from pinging.
Quoting captainx (Reply 136):
No. The circuit breakers are located in the E/E bay.”
Only the SATCOM, VHF/HF are in the cockpit.
http://www.meriweather.com/flightdeck/777/aft/break-l.html
Instead, they turned off the transponder, turned off ACARS, descended 3,000 ft, and turned west, flying back across the Malaysian peninsula undetected on a dark moonless night. The military primary radar tracked them, but wasn’t sure what plane they were seeing, as the transponder had been turned off.
They did not turn off ACARS 10 minutes before the transponder – on this ship the ACARS data was from the engines and it only transmits ‘on occasion’. The last ACARS transmission happened to be 10 minutes before the transponder stopped.
The SATCOM pings are NOT ACARS data. ACARS does use satellite communications when out of VHF range. But the SATCOM is the transmitter – and it is used for lots of stuff. The SATCOM ‘reportedly’ sent keep alive pings every hours or so to the satellites.
Disabling the transmission of ACARS over SATCOM from the flight computer, I assume, would not power down the actual SATCOM hardware, meaning it would still be sending keep-alive packets to the satellites.
After they crossed the Malaysian peninsula, and the Strait of Malacca, then they were over open water, and flew for 5 more hours. The last ping from MH370 came at least 5 hours after vanishing, with the last ping indicating that they were at cruising altitude over water. Each ping that came from the 777’s SATCOM included GPS coordinates, altitude, and speed. We know exactly where MH370 last pinged Inmarsat’s satellite constellation, and a ship from the US Navy is sending a vessel there right now.
We know this because the plane kept pinging the satellites with the plane’s location as it flew thousands of miles off course, eventually running out of fuel and crashing into the Indian Ocean.
Best guess at this point is pilot suicide. ****Possibly, the reason that the plane flew for 5 hours after turning off the transponder and the ACARS was so that the CVR and FDR would write over the initial data from the time of the hijacking. Maybe this was a scam tot ry to collect life insurance for the pilot or the co-pilot.***
http://www.peeniewallie.com/2014/03/malaysia-airlin.html
Maybe the systems aren’t integrated sufficiently for confidence the CVR would cease.
Cut n paste heaven ! Been here before !
Tin foil, do you have a clue what it “means” or if it’s “wrong” ?
I thought you weren’t going to respond to me. Must’ve hit a nerve.
“But you need to pull the CB in the EE bay to stop SATCOM from pinging”.
Laughable and wrong.
The transceivers (for SATCOM) are “ON” or “RUN”.
Not “ON” or “OFF”.
To “disable” that, is different from disabling SATCOM.
Nah…. just read your “cut n paste” job and laughed.
But the post is for the benefit of the readers that want to “know” facts.
What do they call what you do ?
Is it called “forum sliding”.
A lot of shouting, then “cut n paste stuff you don’t have a clue about ?
It’s impressive I must say.
Maybe the perpetrators were as dumb as the pilot you laugh at. What, exactly is your agenda?
“It’s impressive I must say”
Where are your headquarters, St Helier?
Not laughing to be honest Tin Foil.
I find it a tragedy.
And not helped by the Media or by people like you.
As for the pilots. I haven’t got a clue what went on. But with some intelligent debate based on fact and knowledge, things make become clearer.
Like I said, people like you don’t help.
Could it be “murder/suicide” by one of the pilots ?
Could it be “murder/suicide” by someone else onboard with technical know how ?
Could it be a failed “hijack” and the turn South was to keep the a/c out of harms way ?
Or could it be one of your “I haven’t got a clue, but I saw it on a movie once” tin foil hat “theories” !?!?!??!!??
I guess heuristics is a dead language to intellectual giants like the Jack Webb of Aviation.
“Just the facts, Ma’am”
“Where are your headquarters”
My headquarters ! You really are a tin foil hatter !
Well JTRIGs tactics have come to light. Just a suggestion; learn not to mirror them.
This is the cruelest part of MH 370
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/30/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
“Well JTRIGs tactics have come to light”
Classic nutterism.
Do your neighbours think you’re a “bit bonkers” ?
I bet you have 500 tins of Baked Beanz in your loft.
TWA 800 had numerous witnesses who were ignored by NTSB/FBI investigation.
The oil-rig worker and Vietnamese fisherman…’natch!
https://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/TWA/STATEMENTS.html
*Plausible Deniability*
The Earth Is Flat people
Reptile people are our leaders.
*Plausible Deniability* ?
What is it you lot call “Reptile people” ?
You have a name for them.
Irony like snark, is difficult for some to comprehend, let alone express knowledgeably.
Then “don’t comment”… if you “don’t know”.
The thing is with you lot is, you make things harder for people to investigate anything.
If there is a “wrong doing”, you lot jump in with such “crazy theories”… and that’s the end of that.
You lot of Tin Foil hatters (with little or no knowledge of anything) are wonderful for people like GCHQ.
Everyone gets “tarred” with the same brush.
Personally, if I were a “government”, I’d love “David Ickle”.
He makes everyone look a “nutter”.
…and then the “tin boyz” start posting sh*te !
End of story. The “public” just roll their eyes in disbelief.
You also are free to abstain from comment, but we’ve been there before. You are not the last word by any means. Many here seem to value your opinions, (and that’s all they are as you provide no cites, just your mindset) and maybe you are an expert who seeks answers, but your tactics give you away, IMO.
Once I heard a pilot’s recorded transmission “We’re going down now” and keeping a calm demeanor is part of the anthropology of pilots.
You, otoh, seem to allow your emotions to carry you.
Oh, I like to comment.
It shows how little you know about the subject matter.
I like getting rid of “you lot”.
I like exposing “lunacy” in all it’s manifestations.
It’s not exclusive to you. Your just “low hanging fruit”. It’s easy.
You aren’t ridding anyone of anything. It’s good to know you’re just venting toxins from your spleen.
Everyone has to have purpose in life.
I’m “riddling” !
You watch way too many films mucker.
Then again, where else would you get your learned knowledge from, eh ?
Just putting my flag locker on my death ray.
I have a Top Secret Operation coming up.
Tel Aviv for the Russian/American “co pack” against Iran. You know how it is !