I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Everything points to the US, their strong presence in the region at DG & silence speaks volumes.
Guilty by omission.
UNO confirms: no explosion and no crash on sea or land.
The only remaining alternatives are:
1) save landing on airport
2) soft waterlanding on sea
3) plane did never depart
Vienna treaty body says no Malaysia plane explosion detected
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/u-n-says-it-detected-no-crash-or-explosion-n55256
http://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/2014/03/vienna-treaty-body-says-no-malaysia-plane-explosion-detected/#.Uzp8MiNuvJs
Follow up
As to show about how good the UNO CTBTO instruments are:
One of their physical stations in Austria could easily measure the explosion on russian submarine Kursk several years ago. Kursk had been deep below sea level and approximately 3000 km off that station when the explosion happened. UNO claims that they can measure the whole globe with their stations and instruments and that there is no part of the earth where they wouldnt detect an explosion or a crash of a plane the size of a 777.
Official Israel says:
No crash!
Pini Schiff, one of Israel’s top aviation security experts, said that his guess is as good as anyone’s as to the fate of MH 370, but he also believes there’s a good possibility that it has been brought down, intact, on a hidden runway in some far-flung corner of the world.“It will be found. It may take a month or a year, but eventually, it will be found,” he said. “This aircraft didn’t vanish. It exists somewhere in the world, and it will be found, probably in one piece.”
Details regarding CTBTC
The below report is from 2002. Since then their monitoring devices have become even better.
http://m.astrogeo.oxfordjournals.org/content/43/2/2.33.full
Unusual seismic events provide an incentive for forensic seismologists to develop and refine techniques. D Bowers (AWE) examined seismic signals associated with the sinking of the submarine Kursk and showed evidence of two underwater explosions of magnitudes 1.5 and 3.5 ML, separated by 135 s. Spectral features indicative of bubble pulse formation and interference of direct and surface reflected waves, indicate that the first explosion (estimated 2-80 kg TNT) was contained at a depth of 60 m or less, whereas the second explosion (estimated 2-8 tonnes TNT) at a greater depth (~120 m), opened the hull. Oceanic seismic events also figured prominently in the review by B Massinon (LDG, France) of French work towards verification of the CTBT, which also included infrasound to detect atmospheric tests. French studies on the use of seismic “T”-phases recorded at island seismic stations have provided an effective, cheaper alternative to expensive hydrophones for detecting and locating events at sea. P Marshall(AWE) noted that the synergy between the seismic, hydroacoustic and infrasound technologies in the global CTBT International Monitoring System (IMS) of sensors had significantly helped in making the CTBT possible. C Guralp (Guralp Systems) provided a fascinating review of how rapid advances in seismometer development, including the use of mechanical and electrical feedback, have allowed the development of borehole instruments providing data — vital for analysis of source-signal characteristics and path attenuation effects.
If we believe the UNO then we can DEBUNK all of the following theories:
Debunked: all theories of a crash on water or on land
Debunked: all theories of a mid air explosion
Can we also debunk a missile hit? Would an explosion after a missile hit be huge enough for being detected? Would the plane break into pieces in mid air after a missile hit?
We might be able to debunk a missile hit, too.
BB.
A missile hit would not be way out to sea..would it, why wait for the plane to fly so far ?
Therefore if it was a missile hit surely wreckage would have been found by now in or around the Andaman island region, just shortly after losing contact ?
New flight path offered by malaysian government. Another update of an update of lies ….
https://twitter.com/milesobrien/status/450744983281500160
Katie
So the only rational alternatives left are (since i dont believe into aliens and ufos):
1) landing on airport
2) soft landing on sea
3) plane did never depart (flight didnt exist).
I cannot imagine any fourth alternative any longer.
BB
I vote for number 1 .
What I have trouble with is ,what did they do with the passengers who were of no use to them ?
The thought of cold blooded mass murder is so horrific…………but then I think of all the precedents………… that is exactly what has been done.
An expendable few for the sake of the masses ?
At the same time as MH 370 disappeared China and the Phillipines were in the midst of an argument over some silly island in the South China Sea that barely pokes out of the water. A Philippine ship and some planes were at it against the Chinese Coast Guard; the ship did eventually fool the Chinese and reached its destination which was to resupply army troops stationed in the area.
Is it possible that since MH 370 had no transponder on it was accidentally shot down by the Chinese?
Donald, possible yes , but, so….where is the wreckage ?
Also if that happened it had to be shot down shortly after turning & losing contact & overland ?
Katie, the first reports I read did not place MH 370’s route directly over Vietnam but rather slightly to the right of it, it is possible that it got shot down over their territory and a cover up has closed the lid on its actual location. Don’t forget who the searchers in that area were, the Vietnamese and the Chinese.
Something else is that it would tally with the eyewitness account from the oil rig worker
Yes it would Donald.
A missile also points to the silent phones, something so quick & instant no time was available for calls.
The only niggle there, is that the bulk of the passengers were Chinese & some very useful ones at that.
Donald
“There was no explosion nor did the plane crash anywhere on that globe”
UNO CTBTO official statement.
I think that we can debunk that theory of a military missile.
The 777 has 250 megatons weight. There is no chance that a crash or an explosion of 250 megatons stays unnoticed by the CTBTO sensors.
Off topic:
Seven * two is not 14????
Good math in the captcha …. 🙂
Sorry:
250.000 metric tons are 250 kilotons or a quarter megaton. Still a huge weight and a huge impact.
‘There was no explosion nor did the plane crash anywhere on that globe”
UNO CTBTO official statement.’
But BB, how reliable is that info, can it be trusted as true ?
Joe Cannon sorta debunks Beforeitsnews, but finds an interesting connection to Freescale.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2014/04/investigating-another-mh370-conspiracy.html
In case anyone asks:
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070215020905AAburKT
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/eat-drink-man-woman-16/can-777-land-big-big-ship-anot-ar-4610834.html
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/military/read.main/58124/
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?129018-Unscheduled-Landing-UA-777-200-lands-on-aircraft-carrier&s=e8d15a20b985e6c21e84e5eade7a29c2
http://wiki.flightgear.org/Video_Tutorials
Flight simulators can do things that are not always possible in reality.
Other:
http://www.wired.com/2013/05/drone-carrier/
@BB 12:01 pm: The question is, did the same technology capture this event in New Mexico on March 6, 2014? If so, we might have a better idea of its capabilities.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=823_1394137892
For further consideration:
http://www.space.com/14826-solar-storm-hitting-earth-today.html
More on GPS signals and the plasmasphere:
http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/themis-discovers-new-process-that-protects-earth-from-space-weather/#.UzrN6Vdggao
Space Weather alerts for March 2014, from NOAA:
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/archive/previous_month.html
Donald
1 Apr, 2014 – 11:32 am that was the point of my earlier US Jewish extract. It is the stated policy of Chinese Govt to shoot down any transponderless plane approaching their airspace. It may also be of Vietnams. So if it was to survive it would HAVE to turn back on itself I assume.
An explanation of Type II solar bursts:
http://swaves.gsfc.nasa.gov/swaves_science.html
http://www.lesia.obspm.fr/cesra/highlights/highlight08-2.html
http://www.lesia.obspm.fr/cesra/highlights/highlight06-3.html
Big respect to you but i think u might have got a bit carried away with the weight thing. 250,000 would be a cruise liner! Boeing give max take off weight in ils and kilograms as follows: Maximum Take-off Weight 660,000 lb (299,370 kg) Still a big weight though. Whether it would be detectable in terms of explosion of crash depends i wud suggest on the characteristics and size of it. Would Vienna detect a she bomb for example or a controlled descent into the sea or land? Maybe not.
http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_300product.page
http://www.intelsat.com/tools-resources/satellite-basics/solar-weather/
http://hesperia.gsfc.nasa.gov/sftheory/spaceweather.htm
Who is to say that someone wilfully turned off the transponder? Was this so, or did communications with MH370 cease for some other reason?
The simplified article from NASA points out that satellites in high, geosynchronous orbits are particularly prone to damage during geomagnetic storms.
Scenario: if MH370 communications ceased, and this was interpreted as malicious, what could have happened?
Things happen:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/08/05/solar.flare.gps/index.html
660 000 divided by 2000 is it? Roughly 3.300 tons by my poor arithmetic I think.
More against the US;
‘As the missing Malaysia plane increasingly is viewed as a U.S. black operation for geopolitical gain, reports surfaced Sunday showing the National Security Agency created “back doors” into networks maintained by Chinese telecommunications company Huawei, days after the company’s vice president told Deborah Dupré that US government attacks on the company are not about security.
The US has been slandering the Huawei for geopolitics, according to at least one official with the corporate giant. This credibility attack has resulted in a hike in Americans’ internet costs and increased unemployment.
Huawei has two publicly unidentified employees on board Malaysia Airlines’ missing Boeing.
The report about Huawei being targeted by NSA is from a document provided by the former NSA contractor Edward Snowden
http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-you-wont-believe-how-nsa-us-corp-gov-targeted-hauwei-2432846.html?utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FeVD2&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FqAytgQbxhw&utm_content=beforeit39snews-floatingtoolbar&utm_campaign=
Sorry
Bluebird
1 Apr, 2014 – 12:35 pm that calc was for you.