I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Q
1 Apr, 2014 – 4:01 pm only problem with solar flare type explanation is why not aircraft in immediate vicinity similarly affected. The mobile telephone crash has never been explained or pursued as far as I can see. What geographical area did they go down, when, how many affected, for how long, all suppliers or just one, have they provided an explanation?
Now a Lufthansa flight has been diverted after a man threatened the flight crew with a razor. Not necessary to storm the flight deck. The man was being deported for entering Germany illegally.
Lufthansa pilots will be on strike from April 2 to 4, 2014. Some 3800 flights have been cancelled.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-26822280
http://www.canada.com/news/world/Lufthansa+plane+diverted+after+passenger+threatens+flight+crew+with/9685996/story.html
@Tim: I am presenting the solar flare information because it is one more thing to be considered. Did it have any effect on other airlines, or MH370? We don’t know. The impact of such a thing could depend on the type of aircraft involved, its location at the time, its flight path, and whether or not the airline decided to change flight paths. Not all do:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-24/delta-reroutes-some-flights-on-solar-flare.html
Again, we don’t know if this flared affected any flights, or if the satellites MH-370 was communicating with were affected. It is something to consider.
Consider the impact of this “wireless at the speed of plasma” technology on aircraft navigational and communications systems, in light of solar flare effects on same.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827904.600-wireless-at-the-speed-of-plasma.html#.UzrkPVdggao
“Ian Russell, business development director at Plasma Antennas, says that PSiAN is small enough to fit inside a cellphone. “Higher frequencies mean shorter wavelengths and hence smaller antennas,” he says. “The antenna actually becomes cheaper at the smaller scales because you need less silicon.””
Especially intriguing if MH370 was communicating on a high-frequency band.
What equipment were the Freescale Semiconductor employees carrying with them at the time?
Also of interest in the above:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827904.600-wireless-at-the-speed-of-plasma.html#.UzrkPVdggao
“The US military is also interested in solid-state plasma antennas, for use in a more advanced version of their so-called “pain beam”, a weapon called the Active Denial System. The ADS heats a person’s skin painfully with a beam of 64 GHz radio waves. But the current design involves a 2-metre-wide, mechanically steered antenna mounted on a large truck. Switching to a small, lightweight plasma antenna would allow multiple narrow beams to selectively target several individuals at once….
“Semiconductor plasma antennas will work at only high frequencies, between 1 GHz and 100 GHz,” says Anderson. “Theoretically, we see no upper or lower bound to ionised gas antennas in the radio frequency spectrum.”
Russell says that PSiAN could be commercially available within two years.”
Semiconductor plasma antenna technology exists now at the prototype stage. Does Freescale Semiconductor have its own prototypes?
@bluebird 1 Apr, 2014 – 10:49 am
“New flight path offered by malaysian government. Another update of an update of lies ….”
https://twitter.com/milesobrien/status/450744983281500160
The looping track is not part of a Malaysian government claim.
It’s from a Power Point presentation made by passengers’ relatives of questions they want answered. According to CNN, which corrected it’s story, before removing it entirely. They said they had no idea how the relatives came up with that course.
The original CNN video has been taken down:
http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/03/31/tsr-robertson-dnt-malaysia-airliner-criminal-act.cnn.html/RK=0/RS=t0BeO6BxpqOvwlJC5TeO0ANnD7I-
But a cached version remains, plus a graphic:
http://208.71.46.190/search/srpcache?ei=UTF-8&p=%2BCNN+%2B%22robertson-dnt-malaysia-airliner-criminal-act%22&fr=altavista&u=http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=%2bCNN+%2b%22robertson-dnt-malaysia-airliner-criminal-act%22&d=1270427238497&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=jXU0MDQL67wbNT0kz55jMPZ7Atidju8N&icp=1&.intl=us&sig=MKus1cqdPRn_WdAJtUt9Fw–/RK=0/RS=6FlOfU8EI8PC_m3WGaJgEzN.cRg-
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140331174202-tsr-robertson-dnt-malaysia-airliner-criminal-act-00001511-horizontal-gallery.jpg
Not that it matters. Just more confusion.
WATCH THIS. Radar Playback of the Moment Malaysia Flight 370 Vanished! If genuine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JpbZZKqxy0
So here’s confirmation from another source with a slightly different interpretive analysis. At least two anomalous aircraft manoeuvres in the near vicinity, one travelling supersonic (at least) SE of MH 370 which subsequently disappears from screen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9Nnxt0D_I
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7149036/Plasma-Antennas
“HF CDMA Plasma antennas will have low probability of intercept( LP) and low probability of detection(LPD) in HF communications.”
Refraction explained in the use of ham radios:
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090926062802AAFkBca
Now correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t the ionosphere be highly charged during a solar flare?
http://www.qsl.net/ng3p/haminfo/ham-tutor/signal_propagation.htm
Re the final words from MH370 to ATC. We were warned the original report was from an English to Mandarin to English translation.
“Civil Aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Razak added that the initial report on the cockpit conversation by The Daily Telegraph is not accurate, but he did not elaborate further.”
“The British paper on Friday released the purported cockpit transcript, which it said was translated from a Mandarin version.”
“It contains words exchanged between Malaysian air traffic controllers and the pilots on board MH370, including the last words “All right, good night”, believed to have come from first officer Fariq Abdul Hamid.”
http://www.themalaysiantimes.com.my/cockpit-transcript-under-probe-but-no-sign-of-abnormality-hisham/
Now it’s all about Malaysians lying or withholding. The Malaysians are guilty of a massive PR screwup, but doubtful if it’s intentional lies. Even the Chinese now say they’re doing their best, under unprecedented circumstances.
@Tim V 5:25 pm: Any aircraft carriers in the area?
@NR: And what is the international language of aviation? Rhetorical.
Flight radar changed ????????????
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZtz-HVy6c
Q
1 Apr, 2014 – 5:49 pm 7th Fleet south of Japan at the time I believe. Numerous vessels including quite a few aircraft carriers. Where exactly only they know. I raised the point of 7th fleet back along and the advanced radar on them which permanently monitors ALL air movements for obvious reasons. One report shows them them being involved. One, USS Kidd is definately in Gulf of Thailand anyways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smtwKCL14AM
A full three weeks after the plane goes missing America decides to send a detector plane to Perth. But even so the search is hopeless is the view of the US Navy’s spokesman. Yet only days after the event the Malaysian PM was announcing credible evidence in the South Seas. Do you see the parallels with Chevaline? I do. A paradoxical combination of unsubstantiated “certainty” with hardly credible “uncertainty”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PBgRdJdqCU
Then there are these sort of videos suggesting wild para-normal type explanations. Are these being put out by government as a tried and tested method of discrediting all sensible discussion? Good chance they are I would say. If its a government operation the PR is part and parcel of the planning as we undoubtedly saw 9/11.
@Tim 5.52 pm
I hope this post was your April Fool – I ridiculed this video not long after it was put on youtube on 9th March – Dahboo77 made the mistake of following March 8th MH370 flight which was the day after the missing plane which took off at 16.40 UTC +8 hours on March 7th
Can you believe 1.7 million have watched this video – Crap, means the rest of his vids need an accuracy warning too
Things we must believe, if we are to find the pilot(s) responsible for whatever happened to MH370:
1. Jonti Roos, or “jaunty ruse”.
2. The flight simulator story. How many pilots have a training simulator at home that can do what a professional training simulator used by the airlines does? None? Airline training simulators are responsive, so they move according to what is done at the controls. Is it possible that if one of the pilots did have a flight simulator at home that he was using it to play games?
3. Having maps at home is sinister. Aren’t pilots supposed to study maps?
4. That the pilot(s) or someone else intentionally turned off the transponder. How is it that this is “certain” when we know nothing about what happened? We don’t even know the pilot(s)’ last words.
5. The pilot(s)’ personal life was falling apart. See #1 and more, including various allegations about political beliefs.
6. Don’t look at the weather, or space weather, or electrical equipment that can cause problems with the navigation (including GPS) and communications systems of commercial airliners. Especially don’t look at the airplane’s Wi-Fi and entertainment systems and the devices using the Wi-Fi. Don’t consider the possibility of equipment that is not commercially available yet.
7. Don’t for a moment think that whatever happened to MH370 happened outside the plane.
I’m sure that there are many more things to add to this list.
@Q 1 Apr, 2014 – 5:50 pm: “@NR: And what is the international language of aviation? Rhetorical.”
For whatever reason Malaysia originally wouldn’t release the original English transcript, but provided a Mandarin translation to the Chinese relatives, which was what The Telegraph worked from.
It’s surprising the only trivial mis-translation (that I’ve heard of) were the finally words. But yesterday was a no-news-day so it’s sensationalized into, “The Malaysians Lied”.
Luckily the upright and honest powers UK/US/Australia never lie — with exceedingly rare exceptions such as the NSA honchos testifying before Congress. 🙂
Ex-General Keith Alexander’s Starship Enterprise must know what’s going on. Who took over command? Is everybody on the bridge obligated to dress in full regalia like cosplay? Are furries welcome?
Battle Royal begins:
Malaysia attacks Boeing and RR, Boeing attacks Malaysia.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/putrajaya-now-lashes-at-boeing-rolls-royce-as-mh370-search-remains-fruitles
” The smart money appears to be on some kind of gradual decompression – a fault causes an aeroplane to leak breathable air so slowly out of the cabin that the pilots don’t realise they have a problem until it’s too late, when oxygen starvation prevents them from taking any decisions.”
Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/flight-mh370/57688/flight-370-its-time-airlines-live-streamed-their-flight-data#ixzz2xfnMs0Tm
See my links above wrt to fuselage cracks and Air Worthiness directives of FAA.
He concludes: “This is crazy – the aeronautical equivalent of someone who refuses to use e-mail or buy a mobile phone. Live streaming of flight data should be introduced asap. “·
Straw44berry
1 Apr, 2014 – 7:22 pm are you saying all three videos were a day out? Did they send up the same numbered flight the next day? Even if they got the day wrong how do you explain the numbered planes appearing in two distinctly different locations (NE of KL and off the coast of Vietnam)? You appear not to challenge the authenticity of the radar map, just that it was wrong day if i get you right. If so how do you explain the altitude and other anomalies that would apply to a normal flight on that route. Are you claiming that both from different sources that basically replicate are hoaxws?
*hoaxes
Q
1 Apr, 2014 – 7:53 pm what i can’t understand is that if as the Malaysians subsequently claimed, the plain turned back west, he would still have been picked up by civil air traffic control from the moment it turned. If the transponder and coms were turned off this would not of itself obliterated it from the screen but just flagged up a problem of an unidentified plane. If you watch video this happens to other planes. Something far more sophisticated is required to make a plane disappear completely – an explosive disintegration; hitting the “deck”; going out of range; radar malfunction. To disappear at altitude and not reappear on its new course if none of the above, whilst palpably still in range, requires a different order of technology.
take another look at the point it disappears whilst still well within range on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9Nnxt0D_I
it doesnt look like a hoax to me but hell, what do i know?
Tim v
Swissair 111 had fire in the cockpit. When they sent mayday, Halifax air control had them on their radar as a bleep as well as identified with flightnumber and altitude.
6 minutes before the crash the fire destroyed voice communication and transponder at once. Halifax tower could still see the bleep moving for another 6 minutes.
Only after the crash the bleep disappeared.
A plane does NOT disappear from air control radar once the transponder is off. Only the flight number and the altitude marker disappears from the bleep on the screen and then there is just an unidentified bleep left.
Ben-Scot NON-Collaborator
1 Apr, 2014 – 10:28 pm there are alarms for everything on a 777. I dont think yur hypoxia theory works unless they were rendered unconscious some other way. Someone appears to have been ok when they did the conventional sign off
Yuv no doubt noticed NR
1 Apr, 2014 – 8:04 pm that Britain and Australia (for which read MI5/6) are making play for full access to the investigation, indeed usurping Malaysia. Under treaty only manufactures and nation of victims have a right. Brit/Aust making bid on experience and tentative territorial crash site? The trents would have been stronger i would have thought but strangely this wasn’t used. Like the Surrey police over Chevaline, Rolls Royce are zipped. I always wonder how the stresses and strains are played out in 5 eyes? And I still haven’t quite abandoned the possible scenario that this was a western intervention to INTERRUPT an Israeli outrage which has been discussed no where as far as i have seen. I asked for thoughts on this b4 but no one responded.