I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Katie
I didnt imagine it:-
12:26:02 ATC MAS 370 Standby and Malaysia Six is cleared to Frankfurt via AGOSA Alpha Departure six thousand feet squawk two one zero six
Isnt Air Traffic Control here talking to 2 planes here?
Kenneth – If Israel already had a plane stored in Tel-Aviv, why would they need another?, all it would have taken was some false passenger names, a remote control drone system and that’s about it.
Strawberry – The articles and reports were taken from journalists who were aboard the ship as it broke the blockade, “The night before”. To me that means that on the night of the 7th and the early hours of the 8th is when all the action took place.
Oh, I get it, like many others you have a unwarranted fear of anything Jewish, you think we’re all Mossad, killers of Christ and unrepentant claimants to the lands of Palestine or is there some deep seated fear that since we control the world then that places the rest of you beneath us? 🙂
Kenneth – Not everybody at the institute deals with politics, personally I live in Australia where I do the sun and surf thingy. In my spare time I surf the web seeking “knowledge” 🙂
Kenneth, I’m very happy to support Israel in all its endevours 🙂
Kenneth Sorensen
2 Apr, 2014 – 1:36 pm
I am a civilised & honest woman & I wish to disassociate myself from anything this person says.
His comments are disgusting & mostly anti semitic.
@Katie: This article claims that aviation is stuck in the 1960s, and that chatter with ATC is distracting to pilots trying to focus on other things:
http://english.martinvarsavsky.net/general/aviation-is-stuck-in-the-60s-a-reflection-on-mh-370.html
I guess that won’t help nervous flyers.
Jon………….. are you around, your services are required ?
“….in an abundance of counselors there is safety……” 🙂
Many thanks Q………..but perhaps it’s better I don’t read your link !
My feelings when boarding a long haul flight are very mixed, nervous & excited, I do it because it’s always worth it on arrival at my destination.
The euphoria of arriving safely is wonderful……………but like many frequent flyers I’ve had a number of scares.
I do wonder how I would react to such a thing as a hijack, the one thing I know is I could not stay quiet.
Katie – “…the one thing I know is I could not stay quiet…..”
Me neither, I’ve always said that immediately there was a highjack I’d get up off my seat and start wondering around the plane totally disregarding their orders and looking for a way to disrupt whatever their aims were, even if I had to put a hole in the plane.
When you ask Google, “did China shoot down flight 370”, there are 356,000,000 results. The latest one comes from RT.
The RT article from March 31, 2014 at the top of Google’s list:
http://rt.com/op-edge/disappearance-malaysian-airlines-flight-373/
Now, now, Kenneth, now, now … if you keep this up you will not get an invite to the opening ceremony for the third temple …..
Kenneth, Kenneth, Kenneth, you really must behave … otherwise the state might have no choice but to tick the execution box next to your name; you might get lucky though, I hear rendition methods have improved, now they use iced-water baths instead of the more simple waterboarding technique.
The author of the previous article mentioned China’s satellites as a possible source of information:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2014/03/china-open-2014-secret-satellite-launch/
Q – Unfortunately the Chinese refuse to release satellite pictures of their own territorial waters … I dare say we shall never know the truth … perhaps in 20 or 30 years time some evidence might turn up, in the meantime we shall simply have to keep digging.
Donald – you wont believe it. But I’ve had helicopters flying around my house. I don’t mean just passing. But actually coming in over, and then circling back and comning in another time. I had to admit that at that point I started thinking. But knowing that all I’ve ever done was online posting of what I believe in [primarily through one of Denmarks biggest newspapers, Berlingske Tidende], I recalled David Irving‘s words, when he encountered similar behaviour [from national intelligence services]: These are our guys. [If it is exposed that they are Checkoslovakians, then it’s a time to worry, particul].
Q
If China was the perpetrator, it would explain the silence from the Americans, who have taken a distinctly low profile……..unfortunately it’s rather rebounding on them though as people take it as an expression of guilt.
Kenneth, my boy .. helicopters circling over your head? mate, you’re in trouble, may I suggest a new identity and perhaps placing some serious thought into buying a farm house in Tasmania? the Weather is fair and bush fires only come through twice a year 🙂
Katie – Perhaps America should release their own satellite pictures of the South China Sea. No good keeping quiet on this one
O. I sense you don’t get me quite?. Whwn it’s exposed who the responsinble are of getting helicopteres to — not just passing — but circling around and comin ion a second time , I will devote the rest of my life of exposing the relevant figures. And that means – when they are 80 years old and at a resting home, I will approach them, and confront them about the decisions they made. This is also a lesson to all of you: If you exagurate your enthusiasm for Israel, you will be haunted down, even if when you get to a retirement home. You will be exposed for what you’ve done. So you might as well die now, because your position is unteneable.
No Kenneth, I’m not exaggerating, truth is I really do support them, I’m a Christian Jew therefore I believe that Israel is exactly at the place in world history where it is supposed to be.
Also when I die, I shall die a very happy man knowing I stood up for something of value, decency and maybe even the progress of mankind.
Did you stay long in Israel? One needs to live there a while in order to understand it. perhaps even visit some of the holy places, a church or two, maybe even the Via Dolorosa. Katie’s been there, so have I.
Huh ???
‘But while tantalisingly stating that police have ‘clues’, to the disappearance, he said nothing could be revealed ‘as it may affect prosecution or a trial if there is any in the future.’
His comments and the continuing four areas of investigation suggested that the police were still considering a human element in the fate of the Boeing 777, which was carrying 239 passengers and crew on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing when it vanished on March 8.
In a shock comment, he denied that pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s home-based flight simulator, which his own Minister of Defence, Hishimmuddin Hussein, had declared to be free of suspicion, had in fact been cleared.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595096/Malaysian-police-confirm-interviewed-farm-workers-handled-fruit-cargo-aboard-missing-MH370-case-used-smuggle-bomb-jet.html#ixzz2xkKZVQcP
@katie 2 Apr, 2014 – 9:27 am + +
“Thanks Straw. But the controller is speaking ‘only’ to 370 in that transcript yet up pops 377 in that request to Taxi. I don’t understand how that could happen.”
“PS, Nor do I find it very reassuring that garbled messages are not verified clearly. At a glance it looks like confusion in the cockpit…..sorry ‘flight deck’.”
An expert — think it was Mary Schiavo on CNN — said the transcript read as if the flight crew of MH370 were professional and slightly annoyed at garbled messages, etc., and later at ATC when they had to repeat an altitude, “maintaining level three five zero”.
Background on Mary_Schiavo, her time in govt. and air safety.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Schiavo
@katie 2 Apr, 2014 – 9:47 am: “NR. Thanks for that link.
I don’t understand the technical jargon by Duncan Steel either.
But the fact he is a highly trained man on such data is good enough for me to see that Inmarsats data is open to errors…………therefore we should not take it as conclusive. I wonder if the Malaysian PM, who rushed to announce their findings, ever thought of getting a second opinion on that data ? That is a rhetorical question.”
It appears they did take some care to verify the data.
“Initial results were received on Thursday 13th March at approximately 13:30, but it was agreed by the US team and the investigations team that further refinement was needed, so the data was again sent back to the US.”
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html
The Inmarsat data was really grasping at straws, and initially suggested both north and south arcs. It was only when “everyone” said that the northern track was not possible because their radars did not detect stray planes up that way, that Inmarsat refined their data to exclude the N arc.
The RT article rightly lambastes the US, which must have the best info on what happened to MH370, but they fail to mention Russian and Chinese surveillance which must be nearly as good, especially in the case of something as big as an 777.
http://rt.com/op-edge/disappearance-malaysian-airlines-flight-373/
Donald 4;24pm – re “holy places” – they are everywhere, you know – even in Kuala Lampur. Also “holy” is neither constant nor objective. for most people who live in Israel (ie, the ones who actually have to make a living), the one true holy place is the beach (well, we all know god was partial to surfers and sun-bathers. It’s in the bible, actually – just like everything else one wants to find there). BTW, what’s a “christian jew”? is that the same as “jewish christian” or a mirror image?
Katie, Straw – I find that reference to MAS377 really odd. For a pilot to make such a rookie mistake is unconscionable, and would deserve something beyond a few curse words.
So yes, the garbled responses from ATC could well be some choice words. Or, they could be something else.
At this point, nothing can be excluded, including a Northern route.
I expect that as time goes on and the search comes up with nothing that the weirdness factor will increase. The MSM is not quite ready to let go yet, but behind the scenes the efforts to reduce visibility are already visible.
Marlin
On the assumption that it wasnt either of the pilots that was deciding where the plane was going, it is just feasible that the MAS377 which is the flight code from Guangzhou could be indicating a Chinese hijacker.
A big if here, that the hijack happened before take-off.
If I was trying to tell ATC subtly I would use this method, unfortunately 25 days on nobody has thought it more than a mistake.
Once again I agree with you NR. Of course they must know, they all seem to be paddling like crazy beneath a calm surface of blatant deceit.
Marlin,Straw,
I really do think that error of 377 was something suspicious & should have been taken up by air traffic control, surely that should have rung alarm bells,especially as confused messages followed.
Could it be that the garbled message was a pilot not feeling too well,could it be related to the ‘mumbled ‘ message the Vietnamese mentioned, was the captain drugged ?
Was that why the co pilot took over saying goodnight ?
Interesting that you say the 377 is code for a Chinese destination,Straw.
Out of all those 126 Chinese on board, I wonder if any had flying experience ?