I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
In Guangzhou there is the head quarters of China Southern Airlines (codeshare).
Could just be another coincidence.
I posted before that China Southern Airlines is listed on Nasdaq and owned by american banks and a fund who is owned by the Bush family plus some close standing people to that clan. The same fund played a significant role in the kennedy assassination and in 9/11. See my post 1 or 2 days ago.
Btw, all false passports on board used a China Southern Airlines ticket.
Yes I saw your posts, BB.
They tie in nicely to 377.
A strane China Southern Airlines event less than 4 days before MH370:
On 4 March 2014, China Southern Airlines Flight 628 was flying from Tokyo toShenyang. After takeoff from Narita International Airport, North Korea fired 7 short-ranged missiles. The plane, carrying 220 passengers, passed through a trajectory.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Southern_Airlines
this from http://inquiringminds.cc/flight-mh370-ibm-engineer-gets-text-message-out-from-prison-cell-after-hiding-cell-phone-in-my-ass
“Anonymous said…
It’s easy to spot a shill.they all use personal attacks to discredit but offer no proven factual proof.
They use phrases like… Most people, Many people, Lots of people, Most of us, We all, ect to add weight to their statement giving readers the impression it is a collective knowledge supported by the majority. Again, no evidence to support it is provided.
On every article thread They post off topic comments that always refers back to the subject they want you to discuss and believe so as to distract your attention from the main article. It is always repetative, monotonous and boring.
Their writing and intellectual skills are usually immature, equivalent to that of a teenager.
When they get found out they remain quiet for a while or may even change tactic and appear to join in with regular discussions for a while to build credit in the eyes of the regular posters before reverting to their diversions once again”
Anything sound familiar?
Oh and did he get a message out DG or no?
More details
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2014/03/05/apparently-didnt-worst-china-southern-flight-ever/
A China Southern Airlines Co. (1055) airplane carrying 220 passengers passed through the trajectory of a rocket launched seven minutes earlier by North Korea, a South Korean official said.China Southern flight CZ628, operating as a code-share with Japan Airlines Co. (9201) as flight JL5021, was headed to Shenyang, China from Narita airport in Japan when North Korea fired the missile at 4:17 p.m. yesterday, South Korean Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min Seok said today by phone. The jet was over international water at an altitude of 10 kilometers (32,800 feet) at 4:24 p.m. when it crossed the trajectory of the missile, which reached a height of 20 kilometers, Kim said.“The rocket could have hit the plane on its way down,” Kim said. “North Korea had not given any warning. It was an unexpected and immoral act that goes against international norms.” The ministry has notified China through “certain channels” of the closeness of the trajectory, he said.Apparently crew sleeping in first class and not cleaning toilets isn’t their biggest problem after all!
Flight CZ748 = MH370
http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/China_Southern_CZ_748
Please note the direct line in the map.
Please help me!
Wasnt MH370 flying much further west than that flight route?
I remember that it was west of Ho Chi Min.
That would be hundreds of miles off (east) of the direct flight route to Bejing.
Am i wrong or did nobody notice this by now??
Please help to solve the riddle.
Typo above.
Should read:
Wasnt MH370 flying much further !!east!! than that flight route?
And it was “east” of HoChiMin right over sea.
Note that this isnt the direct line to Bejing from KL but rather to Guangzhou.
Straw44berry
2 Apr, 2014 – 8:45 am Always have been too late for the action. Story of my life but no need to rub it in!
I can accept a cock-up over an O/Q mix-up, even time and date. What I can’t explain is if it was a different plane on a different day why does it DISAPPEAR off the radar in TWO different locations. We also have to accept that two fairly gen’ed up different observers made the same boo boob. Isn’t that a bit unlikely also? I wonder as to the possibility of subsequent manipulation to confuse?
Bluebird
2 Apr, 2014 – 9:26 am I’m pleased to see I’m not alone in my logical thinking patterns BB.
That is the KL-Guangzhou flight path in that map. That route is much closer to the route of MH370 we had seen in flightradar. If i am right then MH370 didnt take the correct flight path from the very beginning. Please help.
http://info.flightmapper.net/route/China_Southern_CZ_CAN_KUL
Donald
2 Apr, 2014 – 2:14 pm do you live in Melbourne? 😉
and Donald such an unconventional first name too.
Q
2 Apr, 2014 – 3:10 pm do we read from this that the majority of Chinese are disinterested?
Kenneth Sorensen
2 Apr, 2014 – 3:35 pm thats funny K so have I
Donald
2 Apr, 2014 – 4:24 pm just out of interest, did you know Ben?
I checked with flighttrack and every flight path of all airlines between KL and Beijing is an almost straight line crossing Cambodia and flying approxinately 500 miles further west than MH370.
What was the reason why MH370 took a totally wrong flight path from the very beginning??? A flight path that is approximately 700 miles longer than its normal flight path crossing Cambodia first?
any straw as long as it doesn’t blow israel’s way?
Bluebird
2 Apr, 2014 – 11:24 pm just for arguments sake, if 370 was brought down by a NK missile it would be hard to prevent retaliation. WAR! NK v M SK gets pulled in straight away then china v US with nucs goin off every where. Where wud it end. That mite b enuff reason to hush it up and for china and us to agree on doing so?
and noone here seems to have picked up on the alleged blank cell phone claimed to be from Wood on 14th with DG as its embedded location??????? If genuine, and can be proved to be so, thats a deal breaker.
Tim v.
I agree.
On the other hand, why was MH370 that far off its regular flight path from the very beginning of its flight? What did they do east of Ho Chi Min flying above sea?
Their official flight path to peking is 500 miles west of Ho Chi Min.
Nobody in malaysia did recognize their wrong route from the very beginning?
Flighttrack calls MH370 MH318 now.
MH370 does no longer exist. Now that flight is MH318.
and this…
http://inquiringminds.cc/is-passenger-phillip-wood-and-others-still-alive-after-flight-370-was-hijacked-then-taken-to-a-secret-u-s-military-base-located-on-a-remote-island-in-the-indian-ocean
sorry its so anally retentive
So then, MH370 did more or less fly the correct flight path of MH377 in its first 40 minutes.
Crazy coincidence!. They did never ever fly even near the projected path of MH370 (now MH318).
@Bluebird 2 Apr, 2014 – 11:39 pm
I think flightmaper just shows the routes as a stylised straight line between the departure and destination points. I don’t think it purports to be an accurate flight path.
AFAIK flights follow air corridors between different intermediate points on a route and these do not necessarily join up in a complete straight line. I’m sure I will get corrected if this is not right!
Bleb
Flighttrack app usually shows the correct route.
However, that route what MH370 took is totally off track to Beijing.
Could somebody please check an earlier MH370 flight on flightradar?
Maybe a flight from january 2014 ? Or the return flight route from peking to KL the day before?
Why it is important not to find debris from MH 370:
http://www.rediff.com/business/report/mh-370-crash-insurance-cos-are-liable-to-pay-the-full-sum/20140325.htm
It is also helpful to know whether the area where a plane went missing is a member nation of the global pacts concerning compensation for disappearances. These pacts also limit liability by the airlines. Important to find a third party responsible in order to limit liability.
Would a terrorist or a rogue pilot be considered a “third party”?
Vietnam is among the countries not yet signatories to the Montreal Convention:
http://www.iata.org/publications/airlines-international/june-2013/Pages/montreal-convention.aspx
It would be inadvisable for a plane to disappear over Vietnam. Liability would be limited if a plane disappeared over a signatory’s territory.
The article further explains how complicated this is.
Australia, of course, is a signatory to MC99:
http://www.icao.int/Meetings/a38/Documents/WP/wp170_en.pdf