I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Re-painting is interesting; also notable that he liked it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbfbIRbukCo
Straw; You are meticulous in the details, and that is a good thing.
I wonder if you would mind posting bullet-points on key findings. It’s a big request, but I suspect the contextual thread might be more apparent after all your hard work.
This may, as seen, be about the elections, but Taliban has been quite active the last few weeks.
I wonder how things are in Kandahar.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-photographer-killed-reporter-wounded
“Friday’s attack was particularly startling because it came as an insider shooting by a member of the Afghan security forces — the first known instance of an insider attack on journalists.
It came on the eve of Afghanistan’s elections for a new president and provincial councils. The Taliban have vowed to disrupt the voting and have stepped up violence in recent weeks, including increased attacks on civilian targets in Kabul and the killings of a Swedish journalist and Afghan journalist for the French news agency Agence France-Presse.”
Ben
I did notice that vid but hadnt watched it until now, a few of the comments were from people that said he introduced them to the cedarjet201 channel.
Thanks for the praise, however I know my limitations. I have a good memory for figures and am interested in maps and geography generally and photography especially of landscapes.
But generally I have a terrible memory particularly of faces.
I wasnt a conspiracy theorist at all until the Al-Hilli case in September 2012 but became very interested from then and now use screenshot to save anything that I dont want to lose. I have to tip my hat to the late Anders777 for that advice.
Kandahar is busy as well. Perhaps they are emboldened by the pullout, or……?
http://www.pajhwok.com/en/tag/kandahar
Straw; That’s ok. I certainly have no photo-memory capability. Just thought I would ask.
Sorry Ben this is where I picked it up from, & is the only link I have;
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1396556028.html
Macky
I’ll post this here in case it disappears:-
From another unknown source, but in a similar vein:
Posted by David MacilwainUser InfoEmail User on April 4, 2014, 1:08 pm, in reply to “Re: CIA knows what happened to Malaysia plane: Analyst”
All very interesting Fred – though the videos mean I only saw some of it, and not the last report yet. I got this ‘report’ from someone yesterday with no accreditation of any sort, but think it’s worth reading, if only for the mention of Diego Garcia. ( and I should say that I’ve said from the day this started that the Yanks in Pine Gap would know exactly what happened to this flight – and of course our media hasn’t even mentioned them!
The story goes like this:
The Americans are withdrawing from Afghanistan; one of their command and
control systems (used for controlling pilotless drones) was hijacked by the
Taliban when an American transport convoy was moving down from one of the
hill-top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal
personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control
system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened
about a month ago in Feb 2014.
What the Taliban wants is money. They want to sell the system to the
Russians or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese
are hungry for the system’s technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master
the technology behind the command and control system, all the American
drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to
check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.
Sometime in early Mar 2014 the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way
to Malaysia thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The
cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile
the Americans have engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence and
together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it would be safer to transport it via civilian
aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to
Beijing takes only 4 and half hours and the Americans will not hijack or
harm a civilian airliner. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There were 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who were familiar with
Boeing aircraft operation. The 2 “Iranians” with stolen passports could be
among them.
When MH370 was about to leave Malaysian air space and report in to
Vietnamese air control an American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the
pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when
the plane lost altitude momentarily.
How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident all
Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with a remote
control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing
aircraft can be remote controlled by a ground control tower. The same remote
control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the
transponder and other communication systems, changed course and flew
westwards. They dared not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole
South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and
satellites.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radar actually detected the
unidentified aircraft but none reacted professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and landed at the
Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued
its flight to Diego Garcia, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian
Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were
silenced by natural means, lack of oxygen. MH370 with dead passengers took
off again using remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean to make
it look that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed.
The Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and
search effort to the South China Sea while the plane made its way to the
Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statements and
evidence to confuse everyone.
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search
aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then
the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This shows that
China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian
passengers, but mainly for the high value cargo and the 8 defense
scientists.
From Macky’s link repeated here:-
http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1396556028.html
Macky; CIA is the most likely engine on all this shite. What concerns me is the Pakistan speculation.
The ISI seems to control that country just as CIA diddles us. They have nukes. If another set of Jihadi patsies is set up for a hit, we will know just how that was accomplished.
“Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with a remote
control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing
aircraft can be remote controlled by a ground control tower. The same remote
control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.”
Straw; Did you look at the Abel Danger post?
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/disappearing-aircraft/comment-page-7/#comment-450736
With all the Sats zooming by each other with redundancies aplenty, many with infrared, it seems impossible the CIA doesn’t know exactly what’s going on.
@Marlin,
Yes there are several parts of the story that I find hard to believe also; for instance that the Russians would not be interested because of the Ukraine situation, why would the black box be removed if the plance was then sent to crash in the ocean; also if this convoy attack happened, there must be a news report somewhere about it,or even footage/photos etc of the Taliban boasting about it’s capture of the secret system, else how did the Chinese learn about it ?
How did 20 tons of hi-tech get to Malaysia without being stopped; would sending it by ship all the way to China have been more risky ?
Re that sighting in the Maldives, thanks to straw44berry for the NYP link, but how credible is it, are there any other reports ?
Still it all makes chilling reading, and some parts may even be close to what really happened;
Ben
Yes I did, though dint realise that was the origin of the post. My reaction (if in government) would be to ban all Boeings from the country, as losing MH370 proves they are not a safe conveyance. Over to you Boeing to find it.
Links other than the NYP:-
http://www.fz.com/content/mh370-object-washed-ashore-plane-sighting-causes-stir-maldives
http://www.timesofoman.com/News/Article-31325.aspx
BUAP; Acronym for Boeing uninteruptible auto-pilot
http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/04/the-list-of-innholder-thurso-wrist-that.html#more
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From the many distraction theories being discussed by MSM regarding the disappearance of Flt MH370, this BUAP technology is the one single fact, that should be discussed but is not being discussed. In fact, media discussion and reporting on this fact is being avoided at all costs, because once the technology is fully understood, one can easily see that Flt MH370 could have been diverted by those that have the ability to use the on board technology to divert the plane where they wanted. If such technology is on board the 777 known as Flt MH370, then the MSM and others have the responsibility to begin discussing this aspect of the many possibilities being discussed as to what could have happened to Flt MH370. To fail and discuss this fact by MSM shows that MSM is following a script and in doing so, they will avoid at all costs the theory that this plane was hijacked by those that know of such technology and used it to divert MH370, for in discussing this technology fact, it points us towards a new possibility and generates new questions we should be asking of those that developed and placed such technology on board such aircraft. This is why not until this fact is openly discussed, all the existing theories are a distraction from those we should be interviewing for real answers to the on board technology that no one seems to want to discuss as to who the controllers are that diverted the plane.”
I agree that the issue of electronic warfare (Freescale et al) is the elephant in the room, but I am looking for any relevant info. Pakistan is a bridge, very far beyond their capabilities without outside ‘help’.
If the commentator on your link is right in his speculations, BUAP may have been the tech sought by competitors, Straw. UAV’s use the same feature.(or has this been discussed?)
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/03/16/the-case-of-malaysias-missing-airliner-mh370-part-two/
Thanks Straw44berry for the flight timelines to get to Maldives and beyond. Why did you though take it through Ft. Blair? I know that a statement was made somewhere (picked it up in one of the Guardian stories) that the flight went “close to” Ft. Blair. But there never was any confirmation of that or description of just how did they know that.
Which leaves the rest of us to surmise that this information, if real, was picked up/gleamed off someone’s military radar. But whose? India’s? and if they did so, then the mystery of the lack of reaction only deepens.
Also, Straw, note that the path from Ft. Blair area to the presumed final location in the indian ocean is also quite long. If you compare that to your projection of timelines and distance estimates to the maldives FROM near the Ft. Blair area you may find the distances to be quite close. Did you try that as an alternate? I only compared the distances in a straight line, and not in nearly the detail you have done. I asked that question originally of james, hoping he might try another version of that skyvector application.But he has not been in attendance these past couple of days.
So i guess I’m saying that IF the distances to DG are at the edge of what’s feasible for the plane’s fuel, then so are the distances to the current south indian ocean search area, ASSUMING there was a “diversion” towards Ft. Blair first.
Have I added the numbers wrong, or is my estimate of the distances off?
An aside; I do agree that the scenario of flying all the way to DG with all these zigs and zags is a bit difficult to envision UNLESS the plane had more fuel than projected (it is supposed to have had enough for over 8 hour we were told). A refueling stop anywhere makes things more difficult to imagine. katie’s proposal that it flew over the Maldives AFTER refueling at DG – there to be sighted – cannot be discounted either. Why that route is, again, hard to answer without motive.
Drones are autonomous; in the absence of command signals they switch back to whatever was pre-programmed. Presumably there can be multiple pre-programmed sequences. When the Iranians landed that US drone, they claimed to have triggered the pre-programmed landing sequence by transmitting fake GPS signals corresponding to the drone’s prearranged landing site.
It has to be possible to activate BUAP remotely, or it would be useless; RFI? Or maybe a wiring fault or software bug engaged BUAP. I doubt that the manuals are public, but do you suppose it has a “demo mode”?
Katie 4 April 2014, 8:11pm
From the Haveeru Online report that I linked to earlier:
Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu.
Katie
4 Apr, 2014 – 5:21 pm I think you may be being just a tad intentionally obtuse? So
Q1 why did you answer when i was directing a friendly/humorous q to Donald, and answer for him at that? and
Q2 to reply Donald didn’t know Ben you were obviously identifying a particular “Ben”. I found that interesting. Which Ben were you referring to?
You don’t have to answer because either way it it will provide no answers.
We know the US didn’t have remote control of two planes, the Aeroflot flight that took Snowden from Hong Kong to Moscow (likely an Airbus A330-300 or Boeing 767-300 less likely an Airbus A319 or Boeing 717) and the Dassault Falcon 900EX used by the president of Boliva that the US mistakenly thought Snowden was on and forced it to land in Austria. 🙂
http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/04/lithium-cargo-facing-outright-ban/
For heavens Tim sake let it drop, there is absolutely nothing obtuse about me, I’m an open book & have nothing to hide or evade, I simply answered because D was not around….End of .
Macky,
Thank-you.
I see there are airports all over the Maldives, the biggest & most likely able to take the 777 is Male… situated more or less in the centre, so the reports don’t help much.
I personally cannot see any reason to land there when DG is more likely to harbour secrets & confidentiality, no questions asked.
I worked out the fuel available would get them there.
However, there is one proviso, that being a MAS aircraft landing at Male would not raise any eyebrows as they do use it anyway & also have a long list of different incoming airlines .
But if they did, then surely no covert activities could take place, so refuelling only, then we come back to why when they could simply have flown to DG ?
“Williams’s book pointed to the existence of US National Security Agency (NSA) radio intercepts of warplanes in the area, which are still top secret after 52 years.”
“… Commander Charles Southall, who was working at the NSA listening station in Cyprus in 1961. Shortly after midnight on the night of the crash, Southall and other officers heard an intercept of a pilot’s commentary in the air over Ndola – 3,000 miles away.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/04/dag-hammarskjold-plane-shot-down-mercenary-cable
In 1961 the NSA monitored radio 3000 mile distant. Implausible that it doesn’t know what happened to MH370 in 2014. It will still remain a secret in 2066.
NR.
Interesting about those Lithium batteries, no one seems to have asked the question …why, why would you fly a load of lithium batteries to China, a bit like carrying coals to Newcastle don’t you think ?
Now ‘IF’ those batteries were the Thorium prototype batteries I mentioned earlier then there would be a need to stop them arriving.
Such new technology being mass produced by the Chinese with patents ignored would certainly be something worth protecting.
BB.
Did you check out Dr Charles Stevens partner ?
Nick Varnum.
http://www.laserpowersystems.com/contact
This guy does not believe they exist,but read the comments.
http://www.eskimo.com/~nanook/science/2013/03/18/thorium-plasma-battery-bunk/
‘Why disruptive new Thorium Plasma Battery Technology is deliberately being hidden from the public by Uncle Sam… ‘
http://open.salon.com/blog/green_energy_reports/2011/07/01/thorium_plasma_battery_technology_-_wrongly_top_secret
In coast to coast a retired Canadian intelligence officer claimed that the intelligence community knew that the plane was held 49 miles west of Kazachstan, in the desert. This coincides with Captain Shah’s simulator where he had practiced landing in the desert.
A thought on the remote control of aircraft to prevent hijackings or rogue pilots. Certainly it’s technically possible, but there are practical problems with implementation. It could be done clandestinely, at great expense, in the US or North America perhaps including allies overseas.
Who takes control of the plane? The military, the CIA, Homeland Security or Air Traffic Control? ATC has to be in on the scheme to clear a path for the remotely controlled plane or there’d be risk of collisions.
Doing this openly and internationally poses a whole other range of problems. Would other countries, many unfriendly, cede control of their airspace and aircraft to other powers. Would the West want their aircraft at risk of takeover by others.
There’s also the problem of hacking. We can hope the system was not designed by the crony contractors that built the ObamaCare system.
“… Five-year-old exposed a major security flaw in Microsoft’s Xbox Live password system when he hacked into his dad’s account without the password. The young child managed to discover what no other adult or developer did in all these months the console has been widely popular.”
http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/xbox-live-hacked-by-five-year-old-child/
Dachsie, what purpose would there be for landing in the desert ?
NR.
‘Who takes control of the plane? The military, the CIA,Homeland Security or Air Traffic Control? ‘
I’d suggest some CIA agent who was in the military/Airforce. What could be simpler ?
Katie
This photo of Male may change your opinion of it, it did mine:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Male-total.jpg
Photo of Male Airport:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mal%C3%A9_im_Landeanflug.jpg
I dont think anyone would notice the arrival as unusual as it is open 24 hours/day 3rd link to follow separately