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I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.

CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off.  It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft.  But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency.  (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency.  That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)

I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land  I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region.  Somewhere there is debris on the ocean.  There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented.  However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen.  In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.

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  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    ” they fall back to autonomous mode.”

    Have you verified? Even if true, if operator needed visuals for perspective to continue on course for destination, this would not be foreseen?

  • Reply ↓
    Tim V

    Yes Katie
    5 Apr, 2014 – 7:47 am but I hate to persist and remind you that you have evaded two simple questions.

    1. How did you presume to know whether Donald “knew” “Ben”? and

    2. And out of all the Ben’s in the world, which one did you assume I was referring to, to enable you to answer for him, that he didn’t know him.

    Your response to “Timbo” (who he?) suggests you either have Donald’s permission to speak for him or you know him so intimately you feel able to with confidence AND you had a clear idea in your head what “Ben” I was referring to.

    Simple questions (or maybe not?) that you don’t appear to be able or willing to answer.

  • Reply ↓
    Clark

    I haven’t verified in depth, but I can’t believe that a control signal loss fall-back mode wouldn’t be included, and I take the Iranian claims as confirmation; experts agreed that the Iranian claims were plausible, as spoofing GPS signals was a known vulnerability of the drone system.

    It looks similar to the Mars rover system, though pre-programming in that case was also because of the transmission delay time for signals to propagate to Mars and back.

    One possible fall-back mode would be to just fly in a circle at constant altitude. Another could be to return to base and land, or just to fly back the way it came to try to re-establish communication.

  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    Clark; The bizness articles tout the command-and-control features wrt to ‘terrorism’

    Think global interests.

  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    “One possible fall-back mode would be to just fly in a circle at constant altitude. Another could be to return to base and land, or just to fly back the way it came to try to re-establish communication.”

    Mark Golding has a shadowy past, and he personally witnessed the merging of two aircraft into one radar signature.

    There was a rogue plane in the area of disappearance.

  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    Katie; “Hi Donald, I’ve already decided it’s coming from the US sub in the area. LoL !”

    Counter-measures to throw off the Chinese? It’s plausible, even if deniable. 🙂

  • Reply ↓
    katie

    I agree,Ben, as we are talking of two highly competitive nations suspicious of each other , so all things possible……….. if not probable. 😉

  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    All gubmint agencies/bizness benefactors bend their knees.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendition_aircraft

    “In January 2006, N44982 was re-registered as N126CH under N126CH Inc.[17] Sometime in late 2006, the records for N44982 and N4476S seem to have disappeared from the FAA’s registration database. In August 2006, the plane was again transferred to VH-CCC under Wilmington Trust Co Trustee.[18] It is now under the ownership of Crown Melbourne Limited, to transport high rollers to their casino in Melbourne, Australia.[19][20]”….snip

    On October 23, 2006, the New Yorker claimed that Jeppesen International Trip Planning, a subsidiary of Boeing, handled the logistical planning for the CIA’s extraordinary rendition flights. The allegation is based on information from an ex-employee who quoted Bob Overby, managing director of the company as saying “We do all of the extraordinary rendition flights—you know, the torture flights. Let’s face it, some of these flights end up that way.” The article went on to suggest that this may make Jeppesen a potential defendant in a lawsuit by Khaled El-Masri.[35]”

  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    ‘Natch…

    http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/9/federal_court_dismisses_lawsuit_against_boeing

    “A federal appeals court has dismissed a lawsuit about the CIA’s “extraordinary rendition” program under President Bush, which sent terrorism suspects abroad to be tortured. In a ruling issued Wednesday, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the Obama administration’s argument that the rendition program constitutes a state secret and its legality cannot be decided by courts. The lawsuit was brought against Boeing subsidiary Jeppesen DataPlan, Inc”

  • Reply ↓
    Nick Turner

    I have a suspicion that this will end in true Hollywood style, probably with the flight data recorder – and even the cockpit voice recorder – being positively located some fifteen seconds before the pinger emits its last beep. We shall then see great rejoicing and celebration, with many words written about how international cooperation, guided by modern technology, has managed to solve an unprecedented mystery. There will be presentations on television and many column inches written, accompanied by graphics showing exactly how, against all the odds, the outcome was achieved.

    Public interest will wane after that – mystery solved – even though it won’t have been.

    The equipment will eventually be raised and then disappear into the System for inspection, downloading and analysis of the content. Days or weeks later, the preliminary reports will be published, with initial conclusions that this was a suicide trip orchestrated by one of the pilots; after all, someone had to turn off the transponder.

    Public interest (what is left) will wane still further and the accident report released months later, together with a brief flurry of media comment. Everything will be logical but there will be many recommendations as to how such a tragedy can be avoided in the future. It may even be proposed that an uninterruptible autopilot would have been the solution – something that would have enabled off-aircraft personnel to have taken control and guided the plane to a safe location. There will be many comments in the media as to what a Very Good Idea this is, and why did no one think of it before.

    In the meanwhile, in the real world, the passengers and crew can be disposed of at the most opportune time and the aircraft possibly given a new identity. The relatives will grieve and then move on. Coverage of World affairs will resume their domination in the media and the memory of MH370 relegated to the occasional book or magazine article, in the same vein as has happened with all other aviation tragedies.

    At least one major county will know what really happened and will exact its price for silence, until such time as it is expedient to release the information to a world that will never be the same again.

  • Reply ↓
    Q

    Waiting to hear from the Chinese on the pings they’ve picked up coming from the ocean that are in the right frequency for a black box.

  • Reply ↓
    katie

    BB.

    I assume whilst all this research is going on the batteries will also come down to the public & no longer exclusive to the military ?

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread835973/pg1.

    This is right up to date;

    Chinese scientists urged to develop new thorium nuclear reactors by 2024

    The Chinese Academy of Sciences set up an advanced research centre in Shanghai in January with the aim of developing the world’s first industrial reactor using thorium molten-salt technology, according to a statement from the academy’s Bureau of Major Research and Development Programmes.

    All commercial nuclear plants in China, whether in operation or under construction, are designed to use uranium as fuel, but the country has run short of uranium and depends on imports from other countries.

    The technology under development in Shanghai involves burning the radioactive element thorium in a salty “soup” to, in theory, release heat many times greater than today’s reactors.

    Other potential advantages of the technology are that China has large thorium reserves.

    http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1452011/chinese-scientists-urged-develop-new-thorium-nuclear-reactors-2024

    China has 28 new reactors under construction.
    China, which has the world’s second largest thorium reserve, reportedly has enough thorium for 20,000 years. [3,4] The development of thorium technology could mean that the country, with less than 1% of all uranium resources in the world, will no longer have to rely as heavily on its current sizeable imports of uranium. [3]

    Second only to India 963,000 who has twice as much as the US at 440.000 .Wiki.

    http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2013/ph241/abdul-khabir1/

  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    Q; It’s amazing how quickly a ME white hat morphs into black at the pull of a switch.

    http://m.aljazeera.com/story/20131217135659830443

    Desert embrace

    On March 25, 2004, Blair became the first British prime minister to arrive in Libya since 1943. After embracing Gaddafi, he declared that Libya had recognised “a common cause, with us, in the fight against al-Qaeda extremism and terrorism”. On the very same day, the Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell announced a $1bn deal for gas exploration rights.

    Crider claims this was all part of a secret deal. Al-Saadi, his wife and four young children were detained around the same time after flying to Hong Kong. They too were put on a flight to Libya and imprisoned on arrival. Al-Saadi’s wife and children were released after two months but he was held for six years – these are the only known renditions where wives and even young children were involved.

    In Tripoli, Belhaj and al-Saadi agreed to take us back to Abu Salim prison where they showed us their cells. They told us how Koussa, Libya’s intelligence chief, boasted of his close relations with the MI6 and the CIA, and that British agents came to question them. Many interrogations, they said, tried to extract information about Libyans living in the UK. The instructions were clear: link these men to al-Qaeda. Torture was a common occurrence and sometimes they were simply given blank papers to sign.”

  • Reply ↓
    katie

    Thanks NR.
    That’s funny, I was only reading about the newer rotary engines this morning.

    ‘ The Fibonacci Engine (FE) is a sliding vane rotary heat engine which converts heat energy from just about any source, into powerful rotary shaft power.
    The FE can operate as an open-loop or closed-loop system, and has been called the “Ultimate Engine”.
    The rotating shaft can be coupled to an electrical generator, or a vehicle’s drive shaft, powering the wheels of a vehicle, or directly to the wheel itself. ‘

    http://www.laserpowersystem

  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    Q; Just to be clear, my linking to rendition was to show a connection between Boeing and untoward events.

    Shills will do any dirty deed to keep the shekels flowing.

  • Reply ↓
    Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    Q: from your link;

    ““The danger really is a short, sharp conflict due to miscalculation,” Chito Sta. Romana, former ABC News Beijing bureau chief and a native Filipino, said at a forum on “Understanding 21st Century China.” “The idea for us to make a mistake — to ram their ship, to arrest a fisherman, to fire at a fisherman — if we do any of those, I think we lose an island,” Sta. Romana added.”

    It’s a witches cauldron in the East. Japanese have been nervous about NK exercises.

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