I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
An interesting event:
A plane from Guinea was briefly quarantined in Paris after a passenger was suspected of having the Ebola virus. So far the virus has spread to four countries and although theoretically the virus which spread through human contact should be easy to quarantine, one can only imagine the logistic nightmare that would ensue should it reach the western nations.
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/04/04/ebola-scare-grounds-guinea-plane-paris
A funny thing about the French Ebola scare is that within a few hours a test somehow proved it to be a false alarm …. yet in Africa the same test conducted by the same people/organizations takes weeks to achieve a result.
Perhaps this is the beginning of a new fear campaign, we haven’t had a good one for a while.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/06/mh370-search-continues-after-black-box-ping-claim
Surely they will find it now. As predicted above, just before the batteries run out.
“… Malaysia’s Prime Minster from 2003 to 2009, Abdullah bin Haji Ahmad Badawi, also figure on the list. Interestingly, the leaders of Malaysia, Somalia, the Palestinian Authority and Peru top the NSA’s list of high-value executive targets.”
http://intelnews.org/2014/03/31/01-1447/#more-10934
If the Chinese detected pings (less than 900 miles from the Australian coast) prove to be MH370 how does Australia explain it’s radars failed to detect a 777? Were operators all absent on a Sunday morning catching shrimp for the barbie?
From bluebird 28 Mar, 2014 – 7:56 am: “Now the new search area is less than 1900 km off Australian city of perth. The very expensive australian radar JORN claims that they have a 4000 km off coast surveillance and that they can see a Cessna starting in East Timor (2600 km off australian territory).”
Ben.
‘Q; Just to be clear, my linking to rendition was to show a connection between Boeing and untoward events.’
Yes, the connection with Diego Garcia the US.UK & that part of the world in general has been used for some very murky activities. Absolutely nothing they do would surprise me now.
This black box lark is another farce in my view,no wonder the Americans offered to use their submersible in the search………………………………..to drop it off in a distant location ?
How any of the media can continue reporting all this with a straight face shows they are stupid or totally in the pockets of governments.
Donald, that’s reassuring, you could be right about the fear thing, they must keep us under control somehow.
Terrorism on home ground has worn thin,bird flu didn’t happen so not it’s Ebola. 😉
I also think after this fiasco has shown the lax security, they are going to have an excuse to tighten all those airport controls, before long we will be stripped down to wearing one of those hospital gowns open at the back to go through those detector machines !!!
What are they saying over there about the failure of OZ radar ?
Edit: So, NOW , it’s Ebola.
NR
No joke!
Now Australian military is defending JORN radar system, claiming that JORN surveillance isnt operating 24×365.
Interpretation of their defense with other words:
“Kindly attack Australia only Mo – Fri from 8am to 11:30 am and from 2pm – 6pm.
During all other times of the week Australia is closed.”
NR, katie et all who want to learn more about JORN:
Quotes:
JORN doesn’t do everything, but it is the longest ranging operational radar system in the world.
Commercial JORN video of tge Australian Dep. of Defense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJE5JdYcDMk
The Jindalee Operational Radar Network (JORN) consists of two OTHR, one near Longreach, Qld. and the other near Laverton, WA, jointly operated from the JORN Coordination Centre (JCC) at RAAF Base Edinburgh, SA by No 1 Radar Surveillance Unit. The radars are an advanced development of the Australian designed Jindalee radar at Alice Springs which is in operational use as well as being a research and development facility used by DSTO for ongoing OTHR improvement. JORN radars are capable of all weather detection of air and surface targets inside an arc of up to 3,000 km range extending from Geraldton in the west around to Cairns in the east. JORN makes a crucial contribution to broad area surveillance of Australia’s strategically important northern approaches.
http://www.defence.gov.au/dmo/esd/jp2025/jp2025.cfm
Criticism:
In April 2003, then defence minister Robert Hill boasted that Australia’s northern coastline would be ”under constant wide-area surveillance for sea and air approaches” using the over-the-horizon high-frequency radar network.He said that information from JORN would help ”in the detection and prevention of illegal entry smuggling and unlicensed fishing”.
The Department of Defence at the time said the system would be able to conduct 24-hour all-weather detection of air and surface approaches from up to 2000 kilometres away.
”And you have to ask why was $1.8 billion spent on a system that seems so inappropriate for Australia’s border protection needs.”The opposition spokesman for defence science Stuart Robert said it was ”outrageous that the government would not be using everything it has, including one of its most important surveillance assets, to locate irregular arrivals, unless the government is not interested in stopping them”
”If they are not using JORN, what are they using?” Mr Robert asked.
In 2007, then defence minister Brendan Nelson signed contracts to maintain JORN as ”an early warning trip-wire in the defence and protection of Australia and our national interests, able to detect surface vessels and low-flying aircraft”.
The head of Border Protection Command, Rear-Admiral Tim Barrett, recently told an inquest into the deaths of those aboard a boat that crashed into the cliffs off Christmas Island last December, that JORN was not working that day.Rear-Admiral Barrett told the inquest he did not know whether JORN was operational on a day-to-day basis. Mr Robert said on Friday it was ”inconceivable” Rear-Admiral Barrett would not know whether the country’s most important radar surveillance system was in operation.
http://m.smh.com.au/national/border-radar-fiasco-20110702-1gwio.html
https://www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/Surveillance44-Command-and-Control/Jindalee-Operational-Radar-Network/?RAAF-dq9yQKwX6WliV2hNVcj38sG4oMWiAMtQ
Katie – Around here nobody cares about the radar working or not but if it wasn’t working then how easy would it have been for the plane to land in the Northern areas of Western Australia?
It’s definitely a lot closer than the Southern Indian Ocean.
Of course .. there is Cocos (Keeling) Island’s radar to remember, they have an airport
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=keeling+island+airport&client=firefox-a&hs=s3k&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&imgil=PD7vydIB9QP19M%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcSVM2A-0wRWRZN455ETxRji4ohIhia-3Bi8b6_1FTwyH2vJwJAgSA%253B560%253B403%253B4VtSZmtblWdMAM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fen.wikipedia.org%25252Fwiki%25252FCocos_%28Keeling%29_Islands_Airport&source=iu&usg=__xaEpuMOdjXJktZ7UR1tDJ0XJwP0%3D&sa=X&ei=HB5BU5isGcmAlQWvroCwDw&ved=0CEgQ9QEwAw#facrc=_&imgrc=PD7vydIB9QP19M%253A%3B4VtSZmtblWdMAM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F4%252F40%252FCocos_%28Keeling%29_Islands_Airport_-_RWY33.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FCocos_%28Keeling%29_Islands_Airport%3B560%3B403
… funny how the airport’s radar didn’t pick up MH 370 flying past sometime between 2:00am and 4:00am .. the island would have been almost below the plane had it flown in that direction 🙂
To be considered:
Beluga whales “singing” is somewhere between 20-40 kHZ.
Other whales tones are at around 5-20 kHZ depending on their mood.
http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/whale-noise-may-hamper-the-search-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370s-black-box/story-fnizu68q-1226867751150
Keeling islands has an international airport which is open 24 hrs a day, how is it possible they did not register the plane on their radar. It is not that far from MH 370 predicted flight paths. There should be a register of its radar ping somewhere.
http://www.acukwik.com/AirportInfo/YPCC
Donald
Australia hasnt seen the 777. So then, why should the small islands see something that was invisible?
Either this is an international conspiracy based on media lies and that plane had never been even close to australia or else they are liars while saying that they hadnt seen the 777
Whatever option we chose, we are dealing with lies.
Huge media outlets are still making people believe that the 777 disappeared from radar because they turned off the “transponder”. As a matter of fact, 99.9% of the sheep do believe that media trash. Media propaganda rules because mankind has become too stupid and too lazy for thinking their own thoughts. That’s the reason why the gov and the funds their media are always winning with their lies – and of course they know that they are winning because they know their sheep.
Donald
And of course you are correct with your assumption that the 777 could have landed even in Perth totally unnoticed, simply because the australian radar did never see the 777 “because its transponder was off”. That is about what they are trying to tell their sheep and they really believe that trash … Sadly enough!
BB – There is no way that plane came down our neck of the woods, between Christmas Island, The Keeling Islands, Austalia’s Mainland, Diego Garcia, the Maldives, Mele and Colombo the entire area should be an impenetrable radar net.
Of course, one of them navy ships might dump some wreckage overboard then shoot a whale in the testicles to make it ping a couple of times and then … well …, you can imagine the rest 🙂
Donald
Agreed!
As a matter of fact we can chose between lie # 1 and lie # 2.
There are no other options. The governments and their media let us chose between two lies and we have proof that both options must be based on lies. Unfortunately the sheep dont understand that because governments and media never are liars.
British ship now racing to the area where the pings were detected .. off course in a day and a half it will be 30 days and the batteries will stop working. The ship will most likely get there just late of the event, there is no way they could have choppered the equipment on board the Chinese ship already in the area in order to save time .. no way … A race against time.
Latest news is that:
The Chinese picked up two pings 36 hours apart and the latest path predictions just happen to place the plane in that particular area. One ship which had also picked up a ping somewhere else has been told to move away to the new area with two pings.
I thought there was to ping detectors not just the one, why not keep the one which heard one ping where it is and send the other to the Chinese’s area?
Two pings is better than one?
Yeah, right ….
@Donald, Bluebird, Katie, all
It is like the Pearl Harbor radar being unattended; Princess Diana and the Pont Alma tunnel cameras turned off; the White House cameras out of service when Vince Foster left. Whenever they’re most needed these systems are never available.
“The air defence network on the [Andaman and Nicobar Islands] would have in the normal course picked up an unidentified plane. However, sources pointed out the radars there are not always switched on.”
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/hunt-for-mh370-nears-indian-coast/
This is probably what they are looking for:
http://www.radiantpowercorp.com/dk-series-underwater-locator-beacons.aspx
Note that the pulse repetition rate is about one pulse per second. The spread is about 80% spherical, so a ship could change its position and still detect a series of pulses within the range. To pick up just a single ping or two sounds a bit suspicious. It does, though, heighten the tension and adds to the drama.
Certainly that is the case, Nick Turner, when the Chinese are picking up the suspicious pings right off the Australian Northwest Cape where the Anglo-Americans have their vast eavesdropping bases.
Sounds like Beijing playing tricks on Washington for wanting to know how the Chinese would react to any threats on its carrier task forces and their backup bases Down Under.
Strange that there is still no wreckage floating on the surface above the alleged black boxes, and the Northwest Cape hasn’t picked up anything.
Looks like a ploy to make the white boys look foolish.
@Katie 9:23 am: I think it is important to note that Hong Kong has a tainted reputation now as a rendition centre, and that China Southern is a minority owner of the centre where said rendition, 10 years ago in March, occurred. Consider the other minority stakeholder in the centre, and where it is based.
It is also worthy of note that China Southern was a code share partner with Malaysia Airlines, and the two airlines are working together on the MH370 situation. China Southern — and/or the media — allegedly suppressed information regarding a Chinese military man’s alleged assault on a flight attendant who works for China Southern. This is background information with respect to whatever may be happening behind the scenes with regard to MH370.
I have also provided information pertaining to increasing conflict between Malaysia and China, as noted in one particular resort incident, with link.
I still find it incredible that the Sami al-Saadi rendition occurred exactly 10 years ago in March. This was discussed in the past on the Craig Murray al-Hilli threads.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MI29Ad01.html
“Again, no answers are forthcoming. But it would be ironic if Beijing – which, before the 1997 handover from British to Chinese rule, regarded Hong Kong as a hotbed of Western espionage and worried about the carryover effect once it resumed sovereignty – were now secretly collaborating in the city with the CIA and M16.”
From the Asia Times Online link above.
Fear not lads the British have arrived……………..HMS Echo will find the Ping,Ping,Ping,.—–
[cough splutter. 😉
Q. As I’ve already said ,nothing would surprise me, such a web of lies is just impossible to unravel. I think this case has exposed much that needs explaining, we certainly know now just how much goes on behind closed doors & that countries who feign hostility were in fact working together on such things as those renditions.
I didn’t know about the assault on the airline attendant, when was that ?
As NR has pointed out, all the surveillance in the world appears to be ‘dysfunctional’ at the most vital times, clearly all the money spent is not for our safety at all, but just for nosey governments.Who said the cold war had ended ?
It is also worthy of note that Abdel Hakim Belhadj, mentioned here in connection with Sami al-Saadi, was rendered on a CIA-owned Boeing 737:
“Mr Belhadj and his pregnant wife were seized in Malaysia in 2004 and flown to Tripoli on a CIA jet, which it is claimed flew via Diego Garcia, the British territory in the Indian Ocean.”
From: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2247655/Price-Blairs-tawdry-deal-desert–2m-payout-buy-silence-dissident-handed-Gaddafis-torturers.html#ixzz2y8CqJbBh
“Analysis of flight data demonstrates that the couple were rendered on board the CIA-owned Boeing 737 with registration number N313P….The CIA memo headed Schedule for the Rendition of Abdullah al-Sadiq, both confirms the other sources of data and also provides details for the aircraft’s movements between 7-9 March. According to this memo, the aircraft picked up the detainees from Bangkok and departed at 23:30 GMT. It then flew to the British island of Diego Garcia, landing after four hours. At this stopover, the aircraft took on 10,000 gallons of fuel, before departing again at 05:30 GMT and landing in Tripoli 11 hours later.”
From: http://www.therenditionproject.org.uk/global-rendition/the-detainees/abdel-hakim-belhadj-&-fatima-bouchar.html
The travel period of March 7-9, 2004 is most curious, along with the stop in Diego Garcia.
I bring this up because others have mentioned the Rendition Project’s website, inevitably bringing certain coincidences to light for comparison with the current situation.
I have a feeling that such jets would not easily be detected using current technology, 10 years on.
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1037219/guangdong-media-silent-over-air-hostess-row
This is the story about the flight attendant, or “air hostess”.
Another unattended radar on that day!!!
Quote
If the missing flight is identified in this area, it could indicate that the chain of military radars on the Andaman and Nicobar Islands missed the plane as it would have had to fly over the islands to reach there.The air defence network on the islands would have in the normal course picked up an unidentified plane. However, sources pointed out the radars there are not always switched on.
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/hunt-for-mh370-nears-indian-coast/
“According to the CIA memo, the aircraft was scheduled to depart Thailand just before midnight on 8 March, and to fly to the British Indian Ocean Territory island of Diego Garcia. Here it was due to stop for two hours in the middle of the night, while the aircraft was refuelled.
“The UK Government had initially sought to deny that the island played any role in transporting detainees outside the law.”
From: http://www.therenditionproject.org.uk/global-rendition/the-flights/rendition-circuits/N313P-040306.html
Time of day, the date, length of flight, location of stopover, length of stopover, blindfolds and injections, all curious.