I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
A fifth ping has been detected but there is no proof that it came from the black box, the Aussie PM said that he was reasonably sure that it was from the plane but searchers were quick to distance themselves from the PM’s remarks.
Furthermore, if the plane is there then it is at a depth of 15,000 meters … no chance of a recovery.
A question for all —
The two stolen passports, were they EU passports or Italian and Austrian passports?
I’m asking because if they were not EU passports then surely a visa was required? I’m not sure here, anybody have any answers?
Are we now at the Dr, David Kelly murder inquiry moment where Houston will be worked on to square explanations with what Tony Abbott is proclaiming?
Remember in the Lord Hutton investigation where he postponed his examination of witnesses to take stock of what he had heard, and when he resumed, poor Anna Lindh had been murdered too, and Hutton went along with the Bush-Blair cover up..
Anglo-America is the world’s leading terrorist state
Hi there!
15th of April is closing in.
Has anyone information on this date with regard to a terror-attack involving 3 777s?
Reuters has a good article about why the hunt for MH370 went wrong, apparently because of wrongs committed by the Malaysian military, starting with the diversion to the west, so the cover up is starting to unravel.
And Donald, I think that you mean any debris would be 15,000 feet down, and the EU issues no passports.
Oh here we go. Tin Foil Hats at the ready !
Trowbridge – 15,000 feet, 15,000 meters .. not much difference 🙂
Harald, 15th of April is a blood moon day, supposedly the harbinger of great disasters
Something has come to my attention.
Kazem Ali is the name of the man who supposedly bought the tickets for the two Iranians, but Kazem Ali also happens to be the name of a poet who wrote the following poem:
The Museum of Flight:
All boys want to fall
Sent like sun-thunder westward
Sense-sure and censured they twist
out of the wings fastened to their backs
itching always for more blue
suspended endlessly in space at the moment of fall
Here in the sky ward
you can count them:
Lightning-struck or hurled from heaven
Panicked or resigned,
But all heading in the blue direction,
their fathers always at a loss for words.
Here is the disobedient one who willfully jumped
And here the wild one who raced for the sun
Here is the stupid one who lost control of the horses
And here the frightened one who stowed away
on the silver boat bound for the storm.
They all raced away from rules like sea-drunk criminals
hopelessly confused about the laws of men and gods
caught by gravity, unspooling like bolts of silk across the sky
chattering on and on about infinity and eternity
the whole way down.
-Kazim Ali
Funny stuff innit?
Looking for more on this right now, perhaps others might look into this as well
Another viewpoint on MH370:
http://www.askthepilot.com/malaysia-airlines-flight-370/
“Most intercontinental aircraft have datalink or satellite communications systems that allow for constant real-time tracking.
Of course, this equipment works only so long as it’s powered. A fire, failure, or act of sabotage can render it inoperative — no different, I would presume, from any piece of equipment in any application in any industry. Maybe that’s O’Mara’s point; possibly he’s arguing for some type of fail-safe tracking mechanism that can’t be destroyed or turned off? But he doesn’t say so, and the tone and implication of his letter is simple and clear enough: planes are not tracked.
Which is untrue.”
That’s what I thought. There’s also a lengthy explanation of copilots, or first officers.
The author also says that autopilot can indeed be turned off by the pilots at any time.
For point of clarification, did MH370 have ground-to-air wi-fi, or satellite wi-fi, or none at all? This indicates the latter:
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Malaysia_Airlines/fleetinfo.php
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/03/10/technology-tracks-our-every-move-how-can-an-entire-plane-go-missing/
More information:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-satellites-used-to-provide-passengers-with-wifi-but-not-track-jets-20140322-hvlhf.html
As always, comments provide further information.
” Malaysian military, ”
Reuters pointing to the Keystone Kops of Kuala Lampur is SOP.
They will be the Fall Guys.
@James: http://forums.jetphotos.net/showthread.php?t=55779&page=57
YWKS was closed for the season.
Any word on fuel records for MH370?
Really interesting, Donald.
The Iranians read like the stupid and frightened boys who lost control of the silver boat’s horses, heading for the storm.
Trowbridge – There is more.
Kazem Ali is an Iranian national and former resident of Pattaya, a popular Thai vacation resort. He moved back to Iran in 2013. The travel agent who sold the tickets to Ali tried to reach him on the cellphone he used to contact her but it was out-of-service. The phone was in “Tehran”
But the tickets were paid for IN CASH.
http://www.heavy.com/news/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-stolen-passports/
So what we have here is a man who CALLED FROM TEHRAN to book the two tickets in Malaysia and somehow paid for them in cash.
Trouble is the two young Iranians had only just received their stolen passports a couple of days before their flight. So how did Mr Ali who at the time was in Tehran know it was time to book the tickets?
I smell something fishy here!
Here is something extra:
Several would-be terrorists have been busted trying to fly out of the Kuala Lumpur airport where the Beijing-bound plane took off, a source said.
“We have stopped men with false or stolen passports, and carrying explosives, who have tried to get past . . . security and get on a plane,” the source told Reuters.
“There have been two or three incidents, but I will not divulge the details.”
http://nypost.com/2014/03/10/pair-with-stolen-passports-on-missing-jet-got-tickets-from-mr-ali/
If we don’t have our answers here then we never will, this is now as obvious as milk in my coffee 🙂
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/was-legacy-at-fault-in-gol-boeing-737-800-crash-data-from-investigators-suggests-embraer-jet-at-209727/
Interesting that a wingtip stabilizer was a problem in this crash. An explanation here of raked wingtips vs. the winglets used on other Boeing models:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_device#Raked_wingtip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingtip_device
Fuel consumption varies depending on the wingtip device. Note the bending force factor. MH370 had lost a portion of its wingtip in August 2012.
Note the fuel capacity of the 777-LR:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777-200LR#777-200LR
(Another aside from the pilot forum, was MH370 in breach of IATA regulations by carrying 165 kg. of Lithium ion batteries above the allowable limit for cargo planes on a passenger jet? http://forums.jetphotos.net/showpost.php?s=f6a84d9ad3e3761e2b2dbd97185593fa&p=619645&postcount=1140 )
Did anyone notice the Magnetosphere was intensely disturbed in the Region in question, just before the event?
Predictive measures after solar event gives 2-3 days notice. However the intensity experienced cannot, as I understand it, be predicted for a region. I doubt Iranians would have the leading edge of this tech, but someone more sophisticated.
Point of clarification needed: what was the aircraft used on MH377’s route? I’ve come up with a Boeing 737-800 (738) and an Airbus A330-300 (333) in various searches. The Boeing may have been used until sometime in mid-February of this year, with the Airbus taking over after that.
While I’m at it, was MH370’s route using a different aircraft until recently?
@Ben: I did bring up the solar flare activity.
The solution to the Mr Ali riddle would be for Malaysia, a Muslin nation to ask Iran, also a Muslim nation, to extradite Mr Ali back to Malaysia for questioning.
Any complaints and we have the bastards 🙂
I can just see these boys being given a laptop each as gifts with specific orders not to switch them on until an hour after take off.
I now think Mr Ali might have been some sort of a double agent.
Looking for more stuff right now
Q; 1-3 days is the window….http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstream/2014/15728/1/00-1447.pdf
Since the stolen passports were issued to the men (2 days?) just before the flight, it seems the passports being stolen years before, were stolen for a specific, very specific purpose.
Donald; I have been remiss in thanking you for your service. My son was in USMC (2007-2012) and served both in Iraq and the Mediterranean. I have great respect for the average soldier on the ground and would never second-guess their battlefield decisions made in good faith.
Cheers…
I read an article a while ago that mentioned that the passports had been used before by two men working as dancers in China, I’ll try ad locate it, something popped into my mind when this was mentioned and it was thep article on Zev Barkan, I won’t go into but you can look it up,
@Katie 10:39: Bizarre.
https://my.news.yahoo.com/no-hazardous-cargo-just-tonnes-mangosteens-flight-mh370-100104789.html
http://coercioncode.com/2014/03/22/missing-malaysian-jet-carrying-massive-load-of-mangosteens/
Lithium batteries and mangosteens: I couldn’t find a source saying specifically if lithium ion batteries in quantities vastly exceeding IATA limits for cargo planes should be transported on a passenger jet filled with mangosteens, but I did find this item relating to gases:
http://www.lrrd.org/lrrd24/4/thanh24063.htm
I guess the amount of gases emitted would depend on the type of mangosteen and the degree of ripeness. One should never store onions with potatoes, though:
http://www.thekitchn.com/food-science-ethylene-gas-130275
Looks like an MI6 set up of Iran to me by the likes of Matthew Gould, Britain’s controversial Ambassador to Israel – what America’s covert operators wanted to side track because of the critical state of its negotiations over its nuclear weapons disarmament.
Gould made the 7/7 bombers by trying to set them up during Operation Crevice.
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-stolen-passports-malaysia-flight-20140317,0,6620266.story#axzz2yacNRiy4
@Ricki Tarr: I don’t think this story could stand any more honeypots, or jaunty ruses!
@Q it’s just a thought!
@THF 3:52 pm: There’s even an electrical surge in the 7/7 story:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/london/index.htm
Ben – Your 3:37
Thank You on behalf all those who gladly serve their country despite the objections of those who wouldn’t, give your son a pat on the back from me, he earned it. 🙂
Ricky – With regards the two passports being used before in China:
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-stolen-passports-malaysia-flight-20140317,0,6620266.story#axzz2yagy1ql6