I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Pink
Your pyramid photos also appear in today’s Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2603989/Americas-pyramid-Photos-reveal-Egyptian-esque-missile-facility-used-U-S-military-detect-launch-ICBMs.html
Why is this a current story?
No idea Straw44berry I picked the story up on WRH and thought it was really interesting and wanted to share it especially with the video that was mentioned in the comments ,also there is an art installation called star city that was also mentioned I can link to that if you want ,I don’t want to get told off for being off topic.
Picked this link up from PPrune.
Transcript of Press Conference, 14 April 2014
http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/interviews/2014/april/tr009.aspx
Today’s news on Sky or BBC:-
An oil slick in the area!!
They are having a laugh (as usual), 5 weeks on an oil slick from an aircraft lacking fuel sits there for all that time without dispersing.
Maybe there should start being some charges for perverting the course of justice.
@NR 5:56 am: And here I thought you were giving us a cryptic clue!
@Pink: Nothing to worry about.
http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/pyramid-north-dakota
The article says it’s a “monument to man’s fear and ignorance”.
The greater mystery to me right now is how Taiwan warned of a terror attack on China on March 4, but no fighter jets from any country were scrambled when MH370, bound for Beijing, went missing and failed to maintain contact with ATC in the region. Strange, too, that the day before Taiwan’s warning, China Airlines warned of “”significant risk of terrorist attacks and military actions against aviation” in its internal communications.
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1445314/warning-possible-terrorist-attack-china-received-taiwan-days-malaysia
It hardly sounded routine. I posted a previous example of what happened across the pond when a KAL commercial airliner failed to respond to ATC after a terror threat was received: fighter jets scrambled, the pilot responded with only moments to spare before decisive action. These kinds of threats are not taken lightly, so why are we to believe that similar situations are ignored by Asian countries?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/04/10/the-mysterious-disappearance-of-chinas-elite-hacking-unit/
http://mashable.com/category/chinese-hackers/
One month after MH370’s disappearance:
http://www.chronicle.su/news/heartbleed-infects-98-of-internet-and-was-designed-by-nsa-says-chinese-president-xi-jinping
“I was on project Heartbleed and let me tell you, airplanes could fall out of the sky at any second if something isn’t done soon.”
Shill or not, war of words or real war, the fact is that at least one country has extended its tax deadline (first time ever, to my knowledge) due to the virus. Are computer viruses the new ultimate weapon?
The inevitable comparison to Diego Garcia occurs in this pdf on Christmas and Cocos Islands, with images of runways and a map showing distances:
http://www.ausairpower.net/PDF-A/DT-Cocos-Christmas-Mar-2012.pdf
Q; That Chronicle piece is a parody site. Don’t feel bad, it caught me too. 🙂
@Ben: Fact is, the Heartbleed virus is shutting down government functions around the world, with stolen identities (900 official government identity numbers), and the delay of tax collection.
The comparison to Stuxnet, which some have said contributed to the Fukushima meltdown in Japan, is something to consider.
The article says some things many on the net are already thinking. And the virus is damaging economies down in its wake.
Planes are not invincible. Neither was the Titanic.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140402162331AAPtGb4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAVE_PAWS
Say, isn’t that a pyramid of sorts:
http://www.militaryaerospace.com/blogs/aerospace-defense-blog/2013/02/air-force-moving-forward-with-potential-upgrades-to-pave-paws-bmews-and-parcs-missile-defense-rada.html
Where did Taiwan get that information about a possible terror attack on China? Did this quasi-pyramid shape have anything to do with it?
http://www.wired.com/2013/03/taiwan-radar/
http://thediplomat.com/2013/12/taiwan-acquires-submarine-launched-anti-ship-missiles/
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1318338/taiwans-navy-launches-first-surface-air-missile-six-years
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/dprk/2013/dprk-130411-cna01.htm
“Amid the barrage of increasingly strident rhetoric from Pyongyang, Kao said, the military has readied its long-range early warning surveillance radar program and anti-missile defense system and will respond to any contingencies as necessary.”
With all of the various radars at the ready since last year, how is the MH370 scenario possible?
Q; Check out where the links (asterisk) go on your global research link
“Taipei, April 11 (CNA) Taiwan’s military can detect North Korea’s missile movements and launches, Defense Minister Kao Hua-chu said Thursday.
Kao said at a Legislative Yuan committee hearing that North Korea’s missile deployment and saber-rattling is affecting regional stability, but he added that at the moment, North Korean troops have not been making any unusual movements.
Nevertheless, he said, the U.S. military has tightened its* monitoring and intelligence gathering on the situation in North Korea.
South Korea has also heightened its combat readiness, and *U.S.-South Korean joint military exercises are still ongoing, Kao said.
Well. That didn’t work very well.
http://discover.nu.edu/?track=uw299&utm_source=VibrantMedia_Brandbox&utm_medium=Display&utm_term=Contextual&utm_content=newyears2014_Logo&utm_campaign=Display(dr)%7Ccontent%7CFY14%7CFoundational%7CCA+NV
http://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Patients/Programs-and-Services/Orthopaedic-Center/Clinical-Programs/Foot-and-Ankle-Program/index.aspx?utm_source=Vibrant&utm_medium=Display_Banner&utm_campaign=CED_FY14_Q3_AlwaysOn&utm_content=FOOTANKLE_300x250
Definitely worth reading.
Breaking! Official: MH370 Military Hijack. Diego Garcia, Renderied High-Value Detainees More Likely.
Monday, April 14, 2014 6:28
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By Deborah Dupré
Military avionic expertise was employed to dodge radar for hijacking Malaysian Airlines MH370 Boeing 777, according to officials’ new statements and information that also indicate both the Maldives islanders’ sightings of the low-flying Boeing 777 and thus the Diego Garcia use in the black operation are more probable.
Malaysia Airlines flight 370 was “thrown around like a fighter jet” to dodge radar detection after it “disappeared,” Malaysian military investigators reportedly now believe.
Excessive high-speed, low-flying terraine masking
MH370 plane was “flown very low at a very high speed,” officials are now convinced, according to an unnamed source cited by The Sunday Times.
“And it was being flown to avoid radar,” the source concluded, an admisison the jetliner was terraine masking, as military officials attempted to cover up since the operation began on March 8, as Deborah Dupré reported on March 15 in the article, Malaysia Plane False Flag Military Operation.
“Whoever altered the path of the jet, and disabled ACARS and the transponder, “had to be a passenger or crew member who knew how this airliner is flown, and how those systems are disabled, in great detail,” reports stated, avoided stating the obvious: that the hijacking and rendering iof passengers are a military operation.’
“Ganyard also discredited the Malidve islanders in attempt to convince the public that islanders would not know what they saw. In fact, other military officials were also quick to accuse islanders of The Maldives’ lying about their reports of seeing a very low-flying Malaysia Boeing within hours of MH370 leaving Kuala Lumpur.
According to Deborah Dupré’s sources in The Maldives, at least 20 islanders reported to police the sighting, as it was so unusual and frightened them. Police handed over the reports to the military for investigation that were dismissed. [Read: MH370 CIA Cover-Up: Military Tells Malaysia To Say Maldives Lied About Plane Sightings (Map))’
http://beforeitsnews.com/international/2014/04/officials-mh370-military-expertise-hijacking-diego-garcia-2480712.html?utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FbVkf&utm_source=direct-b4in.info&utm_medium=verticalresponse&utm_content=beforeit39snews-verticalresponse&utm_campaign=
Continued flight low and fast would severely reduce its range.
Katie; The fuel consumption is twice as consumptive at low elevation, and at full throttle it would be even less. Is DG still within range? I seem to recall a normal flying range is around 3k.
What model again? The 300 has an advertised range of about 9k, but one set a record at 11k
Ben/Straw.
I think under normal circumstances DG was about 3 hours flying time from the point of turn, I’m not good at precision on things like this so it’s approximate.
Anyway, if the plane had 7 hours worth of fuel,yes it would have made it ‘fast & low’ to DG I think ?
What I like about that article is the 20 witnesses on the Maldives. Do these military deniers want us to believe that 20 people got together to make up such a story ?
Here you go, Ben, any way you want to look at it:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/taiwans-unstalled-force-modernization-04250/
I wasn’t disrespecting your link, Q. I thought it was interesting that they didn’t just scrub it, but sent it off on merry chase. 🙂
Katie
Aircraft essentially cruise at an optimal equivalent airspeed, where the reducing density (with altitude) is compensated by a higher true airspeed.
Let’s look, for instance, at 250 knots, sea level.
Go at the same 250 knots (equivalent airspeed) at 35000 ft, and you are actually going at 449.12 knots true air speed.
If one disregards compressibility effects (as the speed of sound is lower at 35000 ft than at sea level), the equivalent airspeed is what the engines and the wings care about, to them 250 knots at sea level and 449 knots at 35000 ft feel just the same.
So, fuel consumption, per unit of time, would be the same.
Except that, per nautical mile traveled, one implies nearly twice as much fuel per mile as the other.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110208093712AARfVUs
So flying low and fast would approx halve the range and they have already flown 40+ minutes in the wrong direction and dont start their return route on a direct path. I very much doubt they flew all the remainder at low level and managed to arrive with fuel remaining.
Straw,of course we will never know, but I doubt they travelled that low all the way, I gather that is a strain on the body of the aircraft.
Fuel saving would be a consideration, why would they need to fly below the radar as they flew further away from Kuala Lumpur & closer the DG ?
I have never doubted they went to DG & still don’t………even if it was only to refuel.
Have we been given a full breakdown of all passengers, do we know if there were any military personal onboard ?
The aircraft wouldnt have needed to overfly the Maldives.
CNN saying the aircraft cant possibly be at DG because it wouldnt have been allowed to land. Reading between the lines are CNN saying that the aircraft was shot down for trying to land at DG?
CNN will say anything to fill their allotted time,Straw.
If the plane was shot down then the Indian navy would surely have spotted some debris when they spent a week searching near there ?
Not sure if the aircraft seen over the Maldives is the same one……why should it be ? When we are talking about espionage on such a grand scale why shouldn’t another plane be painted white & carrying the same colours ?
No matter which way one looks at this case, dishonesty & obfuscation looms.
We are trying to make sense of controlled misinformation that’s why nothing makes any sense.
If the plane was shot down then the Indian navy would surely have spotted some debris when they spent a week searching near there ?
Near where, Katie?
@Katie 11:37 am: “No matter which way one looks at this case, dishonesty & obfuscation looms. We are trying to make sense of controlled misinformation that’s why nothing makes any sense.”
Agreed.
@Katie: We know of the “former” soldier who had moved from NZ to Australia, Paul Weeks. We know of the former chief of defence staff (air) who is leading the search, Angus Houston.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22254959/former-australia-defence-boss-to-head-mh370-search/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Houston
His real name is not Angus at all, but Allan Grant Houston.
Should we be noting Houston’s role with Black Hawk helicopters, and asylum seekers?