I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
James; please desist from the smug one-liners. It’s obvious you either are attracted to social settings in which you can feel superior, or there is some pathology which drives you to create hard feelings. I resist the urge to declare you JTRIG, as I’ve told you before, but the insistence on your version of pure reason is your burden, not that of those you ostensibly seek to converse with. Try not to condescend when the odor of speculation enters your nostrils. Run away; hold your nose or just STFU except when you have a question or comment that doesn’t pander to your narrow range of interest.
@James
Wow. Also Hong Kong. No wonder I’ve always felt like I was living in a colony of the US. Even the news readers come consistently with American accents, badly read and poor journalism. Is that inheherited from its mother? ATV is doing a slightly better job. Generally I need to resort to Dutch or German news sources.
Sorry off-topic, but it says something about the state of our news sources, including mh370
@ben
Thanks for your comment. Nice one.
24 minutes ago:
“……..Underwater drone finds nothing after scouring two thirds of search area…….”
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/20/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/
Thanks for the link Donald.
So Bluffin’ has found nothing,we have no debris,we have no indication that the pings came from a BB, no indefinite ndication the plane even flew in that direction & the search is now about to be scaled down……………why am I not surprised ?
I see Obama is announcing a new trade war with China on raw materials connected to research with Thorium….probably no connection ?
James
I did say:-
Maybe too early
No details about Atkins when I posted or that he was the only fatality. In fact BBC still arent reporting that last fact. 38 passengers and a driver on board -the double-decker bus skidded then spun several times before rolling into an oil palm plantation, crashing 15 metres down a ravine.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/harry-christopher-woolhouse-killed-malaysia-3436428
My condolences to his family.
“Hamzah Zainuddin, the deputy foreign affairs minister, said a fund could possibly be set up by the government or by Malaysia Airlines. Family members were urged to submit a plan for consideration”.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/20/malaysia-minister-mh370-relatives
So no “Montreal Convention” payout then ?
Seems like Malaysian Airlines are going to play hard ball.
The convention is set so that a carrier can rely on “limited liability” by accepting “presumed guilt”. A trade off.
The only defence would be for the carrier to prove it was at no fault whatsoever.
A “Hijack” may be the result due to lax security issues. Whereas pilot suicide/murder may be harder to safe guard against.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/british-airways-jet-fire-re-ignited-crew-jumbo?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
Malaysian airlines are having a bad time.;
‘With questions still unanswered whether missing MH370 was sabotaged, Special Branch police in Kuala Lumpur today began a sabotage inquiry into a drama involving another Malaysian Airlines jet.
Police Chief Halid Abu Bakar confirmed that an investigation had begun into whether flight MH192, which had to turn back to Kuala Lumpur while flying to India, had been interfered with before take off.
The Boeing 737-800 aircraft, with 166 people on board, landed safely in Kuala Lumpur after a tyre burst and the right hand landing gear malfunctioned.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609020/Malaysia-Airlines-Boeing-737-carrying-159-passengers-forced-make-emergency-landing-Kuala-Lumpur-landing-gear-malfunctioned.html#ixzz2zXTgq6wN
PS,
Apologies for the errant ‘ IN’ in my last comment. 🙁
@James 3:35 pm: So we’re getting closer to why this “must” be a pilot suicide. Best to keep the plane in the deep ocean where nothing can be proven or disproven.
Opposition newspapers were seized by the government last year, but are mainstream newspapers also under their control? I didn’t realize that newspapers in Malaysia have their distribution limited by the government. I wouldn’t expect anything useful from the Malaysian media.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/23/malaysian-authorities-crack-down-opposition-activists
There are many stories about the Malaysian government cracking down on various forms of media, protesters, immigrant workers, and even the immorality of Valentine’s Day:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6915002.stm
https://www.cpj.org/2006/07/malaysia-government-cracks-down-on-popular-radio-p.php
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/07/09/malaysia.protests/index.html
http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/02/09/moral-amour-malaysian-states-crack-down-on-valentine%E2%80%99s-day/
FWIW.
Q
It certainly is a mystery !
Because “IF” it is pilot suicide/murder then he has stuffed that aircraft right where it is A. Hard to find and B. Hard to recover.
Certainly the “cracks” are appearing in the Malaysian Government.
And MAS cannot possibly afford the bills that this search must be yielding, let alone the cost of recovering it (if they find it !).
I can only imagine that MAS want this to be pilot suicide now.
But “if” it is….and they can’t recover it to “prove it” one way or the other, how will this play out ?
I note that the opposition leader is once again asking that MAS release the cargo manifest. Which they are refusing to do (clearly this has been seem by others now that are outside MAS).
Could this event bring down a government ?
If they say it is “murdercide” without proof…..maybe it could.
Then is it terrorism ?
James, if the cargo manifest is being withheld, then it’s no wonder conspiracy theories abound.
Katie….
The way the Malaysians have handled this, goodness knows what was onboard.
Do they know ???
The photo of the two Iranians….both had the same legs !
The Co Pilot’s phone signal captured….other pax or crew didn’t have a phone on ?
The first Malaysian SAR crew….heading off and unknown to the “officials” !
(and that’s probably the only sensible thing that happened).
It’s a cock up from “minute one”.
But that doesn’t explain “what happened”.
Does anyone know if Malaysia Airlines has ever cooperated with the international search efforts by releasing the cargo manifest to any parties involved in the search:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysias-unwillingness-to-release-the-full-cargo-manifest-from-missing-flight-mh370-will-hamper-the-search-effort/story-fnizu68q-1226863022091
And how about that 13th crew member:
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140326000088&cid=1103
Regarding the teen who stowed away in a wheel well and flew 5+ hours to Hawaii.
“Pilot and aviation consultant John Nance said the incident is “one of three things – a hoax, a miracle or we’re going to have to rewrite the textbooks if he actually did what he says he did. He needs to be studied very carefully by medical science because this is not supposed to be possible.”
But there’s this about a 2002 incident of a stowaway from Cuba to Canada. “So he asked the audience, which varied from PPL students, Instructors to commercial jet airliner pilots, what we thought the temperature in a wheel well bay is during the cruise. Consensus was well its probably about -30 degrees celcius (outside would be about -50 so about -30 allowing for a bit off skin friction heating etc).”
“How wrong we all were. The example the Doctor used, was a flight of about 9 to 10 hours on a 747, from Florida/Caribbean to the UK. The studies done have shown the following:”
“In the first hour the temperature can be up +50 deg celcius – why, because the brakes and tyres are hot from taxi and take off. So the first problem for your stowaway is being to hot. The temperature then drops and levels at around -4 deg celcius during the cruise (no colder than Dartmoor really) – why, because the wheel well bay has pipes passing through. What are they – the bleed air going to the air conditioning system. And as the pressure drops and with it the temperature the oxygen requirement for our stowaway drops too. So although he will be unconcious by about 2 hours into the flight, he can still survive.”
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/74912-wheelwell-stowaway-survives.html
Other pprune discussions mention some aircraft have spacious wheel wells and in the incident above, a DC-10, a person could actually access the warm and pressurized area via the nose wheel and a hatch.
Is that a possibility on the 777?
Now that the search for vanishing MH350 has been suspended because of a cyclone coming – thought it was searching the bottom way down there rather than the surface – isn’t it time to look where Vietnamese military radar last saw it rather than just going along with the fabrications of Freescale and its supporters, the beneficiaries of the crash!
Sorry, I should have written MH370 – too early in the morning.
Oh here we go .. The Daily Mail has this now:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610035/MH370-landed-not-crashed-Indian-Ocean.html
Many commenters are having a punt on DG. Surely the US military at least must know what happened.
1999
2000!
@Mochyn69 2:48 pm: So only now, after many lost weeks, they decide that the alternate scenario of a plane that landed somewhere is no more absurd than searching in the area where they are currently searching? They can’t focus on one place too long? It’s a little late for that.
“Suggesting that national security of various countries was involved, the source added: ‘We have mainly been provided with selective data.'”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610035/MH370-landed-not-crashed-Indian-Ocean.html#ixzz2zcwOwijF
Laurel and Hardy couldn’t have done this better.
Mochyn.
I was just coming here to point to the same article…..can we now say its official… a cock up of grand proportion ?
‘While the sources have not suggested which country the aircraft might have landed – or crashed – in, the possibility that an entirely new search in a different area is in line with suggestions by the Mail weeks ago that alleged sightings of a low-flying aircraft could have located it in a different place than the ocean.
‘The thought of it landing somewhere else is not impossible, as we have not found a single debris that could be linked to MH370,’ sources were quoted as telling the paper.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610035/MH370-landed-not-crashed-Indian-Ocean.html#ixzz2zczwhM2x
‘a cock-up of Grand Design’ is also on the table, Katie. So, if God doesn’t play dice with the World, who would that leave? If you want to create a structure which is sure to fail, leave out the first page of each section of the instruction manual.
Assume that the single number posts, Mochyn69, are references to the DM becoming the national newspaper of the year, though it did not get the award in 1999, and it has had little recent recognition since it helped drum up the wars in response to the CIA cockup on 9/11.
In short, it has little credibility when in comes to the West’s covert operations.
From the DM ref above:
“The Malaysians had asked the US government to view data collected by its secret base, Pine Gap, in the Australian outback. But the request had been denied, sources said, after the US had said that no contact had been made with MH370.”
“‘We can’t be forcing them to show us the data, as they had already said there was nothing,’ one source said.”
“‘We don’t feel we have a whole lot of other choices because we’re certainly not getting any answers without (legal action),’ Sarah Bajc told CNN.”
“Ms Bajc, whose partner Philip Wood was on the flight, said she hoped that pressure in the courts might lead to the Malaysian government releasing important data.”
Sarah Bajc seems to be CNN’s go-to passenger representative. Would she as Wood’s partner have any legal standing?
Trow, the Mail did well in the 2014 press awards.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/02/british-press-awards-full-list-winners
Right, Katie – the world just can’t get enough of Dominic Lawson and Craig Brown!
And Sarah Bajc must be the Agency’s representative. Can’t see how she would otherwise get such exposure for her cold nonsense.
An interesting post on Icke but from a totally new poster:-
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1062068097&postcount=2967
Freescale Employee Didn’t Board Flight 370
I have information that there were 21 Freescale employees to fly to China, not 20. All who boarded were Asian and the one person, #21, who didn’t board and took a later morning flight was an American. I find this odd, do you? So, 20 Asians and ONE American. traveling together, and he “narrowly avoided being on the ill-fated Malaysia Airlines flight”.????
If any of you think this is important information I will post links. My GF thinks this isn’t anything diabolical and says I’m crazy for posting this. I find it strange that this is not in the MSM and I think the world should know.
Something to ponder: Freescale develops technology for Air Traffic Management and Long Range Radio Communications.
……..I hope he posts links to back this up, and I am waiting to see what Cosmo has to say about this – he seems to be leading the Icke discussion
This, despite much hand-wringing by BBC and Reuters about the loss of 20 key individuals on MH 370.
http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/130362/Is-a-Surprise-Coming-for-Freescale-Semiconductor-FSL-This-Earnings-Season
“Investors are always looking for stocks that are poised to beat at earnings season and Freescale Semiconductor, Ltd. (FSL – Snapshot Report) may be one such company. The firm has earnings coming up pretty soon, and events are shaping up quite nicely for their report.
That is because Freescale Semiconductor is seeing favorable earnings estimate revision activity as of late, which is generally a precursor to an earnings beat. After all, analysts raising estimates right before earnings—with the most up-to-date information possible—is a pretty good indicator of some favorable trends underneath the surface for FSL in this report.”
Straw
Interesting.
What flight did the guy then get ?
I assume MAS370 would become the turn around flight
Being a twice daily there would then be a later flight (KUL to PEK)
So 00.25 depart KUL to PEK (then turn around)
and 18.00 depart KUL to PEK (then turn around)
Assuming the tickets were bought as a “job lot”. What Code Share would this guy fly on (as it wasn’t a MAS flight) for a direct connection (KUL to PEK).