I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Simulator training for Malaysia police Twin Squirrels:
http://www.irtechnic.com/v2/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=40&Itemid=63
About the police:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Malaysian_Police_Air_Wing_Unit
Who runs their fixed-wing simulators? Were any members of the Royal Malaysian Police on board MH370?
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A “news” team hired a Gulfstream. Not sure if it was that one (the 650).
The Japanese had a “Coast Guard” G550 there.
And I think the Ozzie had a G550 there (Again Coastguard).
Perth must be like being in Savannah !
I’m not sure which of their products and services Malaysia Airlines uses, but various branches of the Malaysian military, police and government agencies use the same company:
http://cranaero.com/clients/client.html
This client is also listed:
http://www.airod.com.my/corporate/corporate-profiles/
http://cranaero.com/consumables/consumables.html
http://cranaero.com/avionics/avionics.html
…and so much more.
http://www.thestar.com.my/Story/?file=%2F2012%2F1%2F17%2Fsouthneast%2F10269483
1200 cadets. 7 jobs.
Now that’s what I call a business.
1200 x Dollars. Perfect.
And the “Chief” of Police tells you “don’t drink then fly”.
30 years of experience….and “that’s” the advice he gives. Unbelievable !
I like “Chief Senior Assistant Commander”.
His “title” kind of gives the game away though. Mickey bloody Mouse outfit !
Background, posted here due to MH370s pilot’s connection to Anwar Ibrahim:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/malaysia-opposition-politician-karpal-singh-dies-in-car-crash.html
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/04/04/Opposition-Leader-Anwar-Ibrahim-Malaysia-Concealing-Information-On-MH370
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Barlow
This was the client of the lawyer killed in a traffic accident, or “traffic accident” recently.
Mangosteens have puzzled me for some time now. Have any maroon suitcases washed up near Perth lately?
http://www.theantdaily.com/news/2014/04/04/mangosteens-board-mh370-not-muar-says-fama
“This is not even mangosteen season. The fruits are just in budding stages and they can only be harvested around June,” Faridul Atrash was quoted as saying. He added that the fruit is not in season anywhere in the state, let alone Muar.
Traders interviewed by the daily also concurred that it is not mangosteen season now and the last harvest was in December – four months ago.”
So who are they interviewing?
Thank you to our fine mangosteen researchers who pointed this out long ago.
They are not mangosteens. They are “mangosteens”, wink, wink.
the “Tiger of Jelutong” can’t rest in peace yet:
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/23/Karpal-Singh-memorial-venue-moved/
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Australia was requesting a copy of the cargo manifest from malaysia in order to know what they shall search for in their waters. However, the malaysian gov. refused to give them a copy of the original cargo manifest: “Simply search for mangosteens in the Indian Ocean and shut up” …..
@Bluebird: …and maroon suitcases full of ripe mangosteens.
Fresh mangosteens…. one year old.
Karpal Singh didn’t die in his first accident while he was a passenger in a taxim but it left him disabled. He died in this accident, when the vehicle he was riding in crashed into a truck:
http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-karpal-singh-s-death-font-lorry-driver-relates-fatal-accident-1.571068
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/17/Karpal-Lorry-driver-tests-positive-for-drugs/
The disappearance of MH370 was the second incident we know involving the plane assigned to that route.
Perhaps his recent deadly accident and his connection to the politician Anwar Ibrahim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim), and his connection to the pilot of MH370, Zaharie Ahmad Shah (http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1451996/malaysian-politician-anwar-ibrahim-admits-mh370-pilot-laws-relative), are coincidences. Perhaps Ibrahim’s mention of taxi drivers is a coincidence, too.
Perhaps it is a coincidence that both Karpal Singh and Anwar Ibrahim were not seen favorably by Malaysia’s government concerning the drug smuggling case of Barlow and Chambers.
Perhaps Malaysia’s government would like to release the cargo manifest for MH370 to investigators?
http://www.nst.com.my/latest/march-11-new-date-for-karpal-singh-s-sentencing-on-sedition-conviction-1.491990
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2014/03/11/karpal-singh-fined-rm4000-for-sedition/
Karpal Singh was supposed to have been sentenced for sedition on March 7, 2014. Instead, he was sentenced on March 11, 2014.
Ben 23 Apr, 2014 – 9:49 pm: “NR; I guess it’s time to change my add-on nic. Just put it there to irritate Habakuk.”
Not on my account I hope. Drugs have a place in the creative arts, where “sometimes” they unleash harmless creativity. Unlike the financial sector where creativity benefited only banksters at the expense of others.
I’ve known a few circuit designers and software coders who did brilliant, cutting-edge work on a mix of their favorite, illegal, high-powered substances. Unfortunately they burned out by age 30.
It’s the street-drug sub-culture in the workplace that causes problems with theft and approving substandard work.
There was another discussion in The Guardian on whether or not pot-using parents should hide their drug use from children. Someone asked, “What about drugs that make you more intelligent?” All drugs, alcohol included, only make people “think” they’re more intelligent.
Speaking of mangosteens, why would the Malaysian police, who are also their country’s security force, continue the pitiful charade of interviewing mangosteen pickers, after it’s been proven that mangosteens were not in season, and so fresh mangosteens were not transported on MH370? Too late now to back down and try to pass it off as juice.
Mangosteens are known to have a heavy odor that some find offensive. Lorry drivers in Malaysia get their hands on ganja. These are random facts.
Malaysia is a country that has not had a problem sentencing people to death in the past, but is it the past? Who keeps an eye on Malaysia’s police force and military? How are relations between Australia and Malaysia in the nearly three decades since the executions of Barlow and Chambers?
There are more obvious questions, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Power_Defence_Arrangements
Everything in fives. Butterworth is important.
What if….
All pilots come in every shape and size.
What if the “Four Bar” here decided to “dump” his plane.
Lets say he was hacked off with his wife (about to divorce) and the Govt.com.
Is that enough to murder 200 plus people ? Maybe. Maybe not.
Maybe he wanted to “expose” the Malaysian government (via MAS) as blundering idiots.
Looks like he has (if it was the case) done that.
Then why no “back up” to his plan ? Why no “delayed” suicide message.
The point being, the “take over” of the a/c is at a crucial point. The handover.
The ACARS and SATCOM sys are “disabled”….and then “speculation”.
Such planning would mean “you make a point”. Even the deranged like to make points. So why “no point”.
I fly higher. And faster. And in a lighter a/c. Which means I get “down” sooner in an emergency. A triple 7 is like a “coach”. If there was a major failure and it did head to Penang then it would (semi) “manual flight”. Head for the nearest airport with facilities and get lower (immediately).
No idea how the Flight Director works on a 777 200ER, but HDG “PEN” would send it that way.
Would it “maintain” ? (Climb and maintain ?)
Because it would “see saw” and head West.
A speculative thought.
If it was “see sawing”, with no trans, no IFF, no comms…..
Then it’ll be in problems !
“Not on my account I hope..”
Not at all, NR. I change it according to a theme, but sometimes I forget it’s outlived it’s usefulness.
Another Guardian comment:
This is the link posted by Gunson to the story re arson in the avionics shop further back in The Guardian’s comments.
http://weechookeong.com/2014/03/26/azhari-explain-mysterious-fire-in-avionic-shop-of-mas/
It’s on a Malaysian political blog. There was a fire, but whether that destroyed maintenance records isn’t clear. Same blog has this about MRO and change of brakes, which possibly caused overheating of tires and emergency landing of MH192 on 21 April 2014.
http://weechookeong.com/2014/04/23/now-everyone-want-azhari-to-clarify-why-changed-to-carbon-brakes/
Thank you for that, NR. It seems we are on the right track with the MRO. It is interesting to note the claims of the author that some important foreign airlines have stopped using Malaysia Airlines’ MRO. It is also worth mentioning that the supplier I linked yesterday provides avionics and other components.
http://cranaero.com/rotables/rotables.html
http://cranaero.com/avionics/avionics.html
http://cranaero.com/consumables/consumables.html
Would investigators of the disappearance of MH370 ignore all of the problems and the mysterious fire at the MRO? Have they interviewed any of the people from international air carriers who stopped using the Malaysia Airlines MRO? Are they investigating this angle? The Malaysian police and military should be concerned, as they use the same supplier. They are also a client of Malaysia Airlines. But this is Malaysia, and the police/national security officers are busy interviewing mangosteen pickers out in the fantasy fields, where mangosteens ripen every day of the year. It’s not just mangosteens that stink.
Surely the international team will not let this pass unnoticed. The MRO could be jeopardizing international air safety by using unapproved parts, presumably to decrease expenses. Or is this entirely a problem with Malaysia Airlines’ own fleet? If true, a conscious decision to use non-approved parts for a 777 would place liability for this decision with the MRO and the airline itself. This would seem to indicate that when the the missing plane’s wingtip repair was cleared by Boeing, the other parts of the plane were either not inspected, or were changed subsequently: another matter for the lawyers to sort out. Surely Boeing would not have approved a repair to a plane that was otherwise unfit to fly. Whether or not the MRO is carrying on these (politely alleged) shortcuts, air safety is at stake for all of us.
The media, bloggers, and politicians in Malaysia seem to lay on the respectful language rather heavily. They also tend to be obtuse and hint at things (like taxi drivers). Press freedoms and freedom of speech are fragile, so this is understandable. It seems to me that this issue is heating up in Malaysia, just like the brakes on a Malaysia Airlines 777.
(Just for you, NR, that M-Air hangar was gathering dust, and cars. There was a distinct lack of planes, according to those interviewed by the media.)
Aside @Ben-Smoker, joker, red-eyed toker: Mangosteens, not peaches.
@NR: ExecuJet, who lost a maintenance employee on MH370, also has operations in Subang. Noting this for reference if needed later:
http://www.execujet.com/en/press-releases/2008/8/malaysia-the-worlds-new-business-aviation-hub.aspx
Chitchat here about Malaysia Airlines stock:
http://klse.i3investor.com/servlets/forum/800000596.jsp?ftp=193
I’ve posted this page because it has the link posted by NR.
http://m.malaysiakini.com/news/259855
Investors on the stock discussion page (205) wonder what will become of the black box if it is handed over to Malaysia before being examined by the international team and Boeing. Something to hide that might affect compensation payouts?
Another brake issue for Malaysia Airlines:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/another-malaysia-airlines-plane-forced-to-abort-flight-due-to-technical-problems-9280542.html
Carbon brakes.
Lighter so save fuel. Are cooler. And are retro fits.
MH192 had a burst tyre on the right hand landing gear during take off.
So “no braking” whatsoever involved.
Now the weird bit.
I have seen it reported that the “Minister For Chaos” said it could be sabotage !
But this was “reported” in the “newspapers” so who knows what he really said.
This then came out as likely debris on the tarmac.
Sorry, that’s landing gear, aka rotables. Since these parts have serial numbers that can be tracked, is anyone tracking them yet?