I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
More maps of the oil and gas fields:
http://www.2b1stconsulting.com/murphy-oil-and-petronas-to-speed-up-kenarong-and-pertang-development-offshore-malaysia/
http://iv-g.livejournal.com/265601.html
The report from the oil worker on Songa Mercur:
http://gcaptain.com/rig-worker-witnesses-burning-plane-off-vietnam/
The Chinese satellite’s debris image would also place “MH-370?” in the middle of the oil and gas fields where PETRONAS drills.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/mh370-poor-visibility-indian-ocean-search-effort
@James 5:09 pm: That’s interesting. I guess they don’t want the members of the forum and public to hear what you have to say.
With the dozens of new air traffic controllers at KLIA2 in preparation for it opening this month, how good were the screening procedures? Could the officials responsible for security clearances for Malaysian air traffic controllers have been distracted? Did they lapse (momentarily) in their otherwise efficacious and meticulous security screening procedures?
With those 58 trainees and the 120 experienced employees shifting to new jobs with new equipment and procedures, would anyone have noticed anything ever so slightly out of order, or against procedure? Did those at the top of the chain of command have too much on their plates? If so, could one of those employees have directed MH370 out over the water at an altitude and in range of a Petronas rig, working or not, equipped with “surveillance and counteraction capabilities”?
One can see how world leaders would be concerned about the oil supply, and any perception of wrongdoing or implication in air security operations by a state-run company. What if Malaysia isn’t the only country using oil rigs as covers for electronic warfare and targeted intervention?
Mangosteens surely would not have been taken lightly when they are out of season.
http://technokontrol.com/en/products/electromagnetic-pulse.php
Since many oil rigs are already guarded by purely defensive systems, it’s only one step further to equip these rigs for the extra step of intervention. There are USVs capable of the things “oil rigs” can do, too.
http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7421:iais-unmanned-platforms-to-be-presented-at-florida-exhibition&catid=99:defense&Itemid=282
There have now been so many lies, misstatements, confusion,, faulty assumptions, and ignoring of what little real evidence there is to what happened to MH370 that one must conclude that a real cover up is afoot no matter who caused the sabotage.
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Pprunes “seem” to have an average age of “70” that comment.
All about the sea search.
These are not “active” pilots. I am. And I am concerned.
We get “five day bans” because we say what we see.
My comment is “FL350 was not the flight level that the a/c was going to reach”
That’s not it’s cruise. It would have flown higher after IGARI.
That is no problem.
Again he “did not request higher”…BUT he “called out” a second time that the flight was at FL350. Always confused me that !
One thing you do…is “pre” ATC. Freq and Alt.
And so… the “second call”. He was (whoever) “maintaining Three Five Zero”.
Maybe…”climb to 390 and contact Ho Chi Minh XXX decimal X”
It becomes clear why oil drilling platforms are such a security concern, especially drilling platforms belonging to state-owned oil companies:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/12/world/asia/south-china-sea-drilling-duplicate-2/index.html
What happens when someone intercedes on the three-mile exclusion zone? Chances are it’s not just disused, decommissioned drilling rigs that are “sea bases” for high-tech electronic warfare and targeted intervention (aka “attack”) equipment. Chances are Malaysia is just catching up to what the world powers have been doing for some time.
If a rig truly is unmanned, then the electronic warfare and targeted intervention equipment (aka “weapons”) on it will also be unmanned — whether fully automated or remotely controlled. Any airplane entering an exclusion zone or just getting too close with its ACARS off could be coming down.
Ahoy, pirates! Beware the rusting rigs of the South China Sea, whether or not they have been hauled away to strategic locations. Beware the working rigs, too, for you never know what multi-million dollar military equipment lurks beneath barnacles and rust, or shiny new paint.
Tom Clancy’s crew is probably writing a book right now. Fact is stranger than fiction.
It would be helpful to know if the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement covers “attack rigs” in the South China Sea:
http://time.com/78779/obama-philippines-china/
IC 184. And they won’t let that happen again.
The line is drawn since then.
Oops ! IC814.
The chairman of CNOOC, China’s national oil company, declared deep-water oil rigs as strategic weapons in 2012. Here’s a backgrounder as to why China’s oil rigs off the coast of Vietnam are so disconcerting to other nations:
http://www.murphyonpiracy.com/2012/09/05/deep-water-oil-rigs-as-strategic-weapons/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/world/asia/in-high-seas-china-moves-unilaterally.html
When sovereign territory is on the move, being dragged by tugs, what happens to planes in the sky that encroach on that constantly changing territory? Your guess is as good as mine. MH370 could have fallen under the three-pronged strategy: #1 Psychological Warfare, #2 Media Warfare, or #3 Legal Warfare.
“China is looking to control 80% of its area and is prepared to use all arms of national power – diplomatic, military, paramilitary and commercial – to get what it wants.”
Wait til they declare all properties of their Nexen acquisition as “sovereign territory” — including the Gulf of Mexico, and maybe the land under their Canadian head office.
From: http://www.murphyonpiracy.com/2012/09/05/deep-water-oil-rigs-as-strategic-weapons/http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/10/world/asia/in-high-seas-china-moves-unilaterally.html
And: http://business.financialpost.com/2013/02/25/cnooc-completes-contentious-15-1-billion-acquisition-of-nexen/?__lsa=db39-ec75
“The Nexen acquisition gives CNOOC new offshore production in the North Sea, the Gulf of Mexico and off western Africa, as well as producing properties in the Middle East and Canada.
In Canada, CNOOC gains control of Nexen’s Long Lake oil sands project in the oil-rich province of Alberta, as well as billions of barrels of reserves in the world’s third-largest crude storehouse – the oil sands in the province of Alberta.”
Oil politics are playing out in the Bay of Bengal:
http://www.idsa.in/idsastrategiccomments
OilPoliticsintheBayofBengal_AKumar_271108
The Bangladesh navy dispatched three ships.
Meanwhile, an Indian company called Reliance discovered the KDG6 gas field off the east coast.
Here is a map of the area:
http://www.geoexpro.com/articles/2010/06/bay-of-bengal
This could be the kind of work GeoResonance was doing when they found the anomaly that they said could be a plane.
Meanwhile, another claim from another person who has studied 11,000 Tomnod.com satellite images:
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Capital-Region-man-believes-he-located-lost-5470059.php#photo-6289386
He claims to have seen passengers floating on debris, and being eaten by sharks. The author compares it to seeing Jesus on a piece of toast.
I should have mentioned the cancelled film about the crash of a plane bound for China, with passengers eaten by sharks:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588298/Australian-horror-film-sees-China-bound-flight-crash-ocean-survivors-fight-giant-sharks-shelved-MH370-tragedy.html
I recall China asking India if they could “have a look” in the Bay of Bengal.
India said “NO WAY” !
….and then everyone went to have a look in the Indian Ocean. Which is nice.
False economy !
‘The search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 is the most extensive and expensive ever undertaken, but it’s been claimed the plane could have been located if its tracking software had been upgraded – something that costs just £6 ($10) per flight.
According to new book Flight MH370: The Mystery, the Boeing 777-200ER had a ‘data package’ that only transmitted the most basic flight information, so authorities weren’t able to get a GPS fix on it.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2630400/MH370-airline-bosses-bought-10-tracking-device-claims-new-book-Nigel-Cawthorne.html#ixzz31xN86W8J
book
From http://whatreallyhappened.com/
“Someone’s Lying Here! SOMEONE’S LYING!” CNN Aviation Expert On Flight 370 Data – See more at: http://xrepublic.tv/node/8922#sthash.jMZcGYmz.dpuf
There’s “more” than somebody “lying”, they are close “to” 300!!
Read less on HuffPost.
MH370 “may” become the most “expensive” search, just next to that of the AF “Airbus”. And it’s only a “coincidence” if experts have just “located” the wreckage of the Santa Maria, after “several” centuries of research. Not so far from “Cuba”, could CIA, NSA, FBI, TSA have been unaware of such effort?
370 “was” flying at a very unusual “FL”. If China asked India about it, is the “transcript” in Mandarin, or was something “lost” in translation?
And what about the cargo? Mangoes are out of “question” (not in season), batteries are “safe”, but what about coconuts?? We all “know” they’re always a problem, ever since the Monty Python “went” looking for the Holy Grail. And they were not German, even if “they” tried.
I guess the “Father Knows Best” approach isn’t working so well nowadays. “Trust us, we know what we’re doing” loses its credibility after a couple of months with no results of any kind. It’s more than just embarrassing for Angus Houston. It’s a complete loss of credibility. The international search team is a laughing stock.
More on that book.
‘Was MH370 accidentally SHOT DOWN? Book claims doomed flight blown out of the sky by US and Thai fighter jets in training drill gone wrong’.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2631527/Extraordinary-new-claim-book-missing-MH370-flight-accidentally-SHOT-search-effort-covered-up.html#ixzz322WqclI3
Whilst this is a strong possibility……………where is the debris ?
@Katie
Million Dollar question that.
If you “crash” 250 tonnes…. you get some pieces that will float.
Don’t look there, look waaaay over here. That’s a good public…
Remember all the debris that was reported, and even fuel of some kind? Chances are that while we were watching the deep south, anyone could have picked up that debris that was “not from MH370”. We only have their word for it.
It could be that the authors of this saga preferred the eternal mystery and conspiracy theories it inspired, over having the public learn the truth. The words “pull it” come to mind.
Go back to the beginning:
https://in.news.yahoo.com/photos/military-officer-draws-map-gulf-thailand-onboard-aircraft-photo-150008517.html
http://blog.skytruth.org/2014/03/satellite-image-anomaly-in-gulf-of.html
Where is the Occam’s Razor crowd, which usually inhabits forums like this one? They have no objection to the fantastical official fairy tale, stunning in its flight of fancy, that we should ignore the last location of MH370, and instead embark on an illogical search in a remote location based on a constantly-changing series of “pings” and “arcs”, in turn based on “data” that is too secret for anyone to examine, other than those in charge of the ruse…er, diversion.
Either Angus Houston and his crew have been played, or they’re one of the players.
Unlike rinky-dink suburban airports elsewhere in the world, Subang lets the public tour its air traffic control tower:
http://mmuiemmelaka.blogspot.ca/2007/01/trip-to-subangs-prestigious-control.html
So not only can you tour the tower, you can also take a spin in the flight simulator used by Malaysia Airlines. Nice to have all aspects of the big picture. And go shopping!
Any student tours in progress while this was going on?
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2012/09/21/investigate-air-traffic-system-failure/
Key information here on the total system failure of air traffic control at Subang in 2012. I suggest reading the entire article. It is very important:
“The incident occurred between 2.50am and 4.15am on Sept 12, according to a systems log of the Subang Air Traffic Control Centre and a preliminary report of the incident was revealed to the press by PKR vice-presidents Nurul Izzah Anwar, Tian Chua and N Surendran today.
“A total system failure occurred for almost two hours and throughout that time, the Malaysian airspace was rendered blind, with all departures cancelled and existing air traffic handed over to neighbouring countries,” said Nurul outside the Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) traffic control centre at the Subang airport.
“She said the system failure had put civilian passengers on board the planes at risk as they were cut off from any guidance from ground control, and during the down time Singapore and Thailand were in total control of the traffic system, which “left us completely defenceless”….
“He said it was a dangerous when the radar was down and blind, as “nobody is in control of the movements of planes”.
“They cannot give instructions, they do not know the positions of aircraft, there is a possibility that the planes are not flying the right height they are supposed to fly,” he said.
Independent audit needed
“Abdul Hadi criticised the report by local contractor Advanced Air Traffic Systems Sdn Bhd (AAT) as being too simplistic, as it has cited “power failure” as the cause of the breakdown.
“Are they telling us that their technicians are not competent enough to bring the system back-up in one hour? Are they saying they do not do daily checks? Something is wrong with the way they handled the situation,” he said, adding that in his years of experience, he has not encountered such a failure.
“Meanwhile, Nurul asked why there has been no transparency from the government despite her repeated attempts to highlight the flaws of the radar system maintained by AAT.”
From: http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2012/09/21/investigate-air-traffic-system-failure/
As we recall, Subang’s ATC radar system was supplied by the same entity that has provided ATC systems at the newly-opened KLIA2. The training of air traffic control personnel for KLIA2 began in January 2014, and continues on to this day (assuming that the 58 new personnel would have years of training ahead of them).
The 2012 failure occurred in the early morning hours, not unlike the time period when MH370 went missing. Note the hand-off of the system to Thailand and Singapore. The company AAT was selected for KLIA2.
Take a look at this line:
“On whether an additional investigation will be carried out, Azharuddin said it was unlikely. “We know what went wrong that day. I don’t think any more investigation will be required. Now we have to talk to all concerned to be more vigilant in cases like this.””
And then there was MH370. Maybe someone tripped on an extension cord.
The flipflop on the complete failure of air traffic control at Subang:
http://malaysiaflipflop.blogspot.ca/2012/09/the-day-air-traffic-controllers-lost.html
That’s reassuring. He claims they didn’t let Singapore and Thailand take over. They let planes fly around blind like a video game.
Going back to the beginning:
“The plane had been flying for about two hours when Subang Air Traffic Control lost contact at 2:40 a.m. local time (1:40 p.m. Friday ET). It was scheduled to land in Beijing at 6:30 a.m. local time. The last radar signal was received as the aircraft approached Vietnam airspace near the Ca Mau province.”
From: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-beijing-flight-missing/6199161/
“The incident occurred between 2.50am and 4.15am on Sept 12, according to a systems log of the Subang Air Traffic Control Centre and a preliminary report of the incident was revealed to the press by PKR vice-presidents Nurul Izzah Anwar, Tian Chua and N Surendran today.”
From: http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/nation/2012/09/21/investigate-air-traffic-system-failure/
Is this system set to shut off or reset between 2:40 and 2:50 a.m. nightly? Why the need to change the official time of last contact with MH370, if not?
It’s up to you to decide whether the time was changed to set the record straight, or straighten out the story line:
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/03/08/malaysia-airlines-777-200-has-crashed-location-imprecise/
The track record of flexible “facts” and refusal to release the raw data speaks volumes, IMO.