I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
They carry it at Whole Foods
http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f108/i-think-i-saw-mh370-127132.html
http://tinyurl.com/lrhentv
addresses MH370 scenario based upon prior 777 and 767 events
The paperless cockpit:
http://www.aea.net/avionicsnews/anarchives/paperlesscockpitsept05.pdf
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/content/dam/mas/master/en/pdf/corporate-info/Malaysia%20Airlines%20Environmental%20Report%202012.pdf
Was this system in place on MH370 in March 2014? For that matter, were biofuels being used on the missing airliner?
Concerning jet biofuel, would the pattern of fuel dissipation on ocean water appear to be different from standard jet fuel? What does palm oil look like when dissipating in salt water?
There is an image of a palm oil spill on water here, but it is not biofuel. Biofuel would be different — much less viscous, and maybe not so bright.
https://usresponserestoration.wordpress.com/2013/11/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_flight_bag
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_777
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_flight_bag
http://planefinder.net/data/aircraft/9M-MRO
Boeing began offering the electronic flight bag option in 2003. 9M-MRO was built in 2002. Could this plane have been upgraded for EFB at a later date? Were pilots who had become accustomed to EFB flying a plane without this option, thus meaning that fuel calculations, etc. would have been done manually? Were the freight container weights accurate, for whatever they actually contained — not “fresh mangosteen”.
A brief summary from another airline about why they like the EFB:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2005-05-17-Boeing-Delivers-Emirates-Fourth-777-300ER-with-Electronic-Flight-Bag
@Pink: Your post about the British woman, Katherine Tee, has gotten some more coverage:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10871440/MH370-search-underwater-noise-detected-off-southern-India.html
“If you were to fly from London to Oslo and then over the North Sea you turned off and then went west to Ireland, within two minutes you’d have Tornadoes, Eurofighters, everything up around you,” he said.
“Even if you did that over Australia and the US, there would be something up. I’m not quite sure where primary radar was in all of this.”
Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/607954/emirates-chief-asks-why-no-fighter-jet-tracked-mh370#ixzz33aFUctXt
Another article worth consideration:
“One week after an elite group of statisticians came forward with their recommendations, the Airbus A330 was found — almost exactly where they said it would be.
The big surprise? It was pretty much the most obvious spot, and it had already been searched by side-scan radar and audio equipment designed to find the emergency “ping” of the two black boxes.”
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-search-goes-back-to-basics-turning-to-the-power-of-maths-to-solve-the-mystery/story-fnizu68q-1226941119783
Duncan Steel’s suggestion: go north.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646894/NZ-scientist-says-MH370-search-extend-remote-valley-Kyrgyzstan.html
Yes I know its all over the papers today .
@Pink: Your post about the British woman, Katherine Tee, has gotten some more coverage:
Isn’t the scientific method supposed to stand up to scrutiny? Aren’t results supposed to be verifiable if repeated? This is pretty basic. So why don’t scientists like Duncan Steel have access to the information needed to test it themselves? The answer seems obvious: the data won’t stand up to scrutiny.
It has been interesting watching Duncan’s group working through the information and I think most people watching would have liked to see them get what they need,TMF as well and lots of others around the world giving it their best shot to numerous to mention.
Breaking news on al hilli thread someone connected with the investigation has died possibly a suicide it’s not confirmed yet.
http://news.msn.com/world/australia-probes-possible-mh370-witness-account
Sure. Just like they sent the Bangladesh navy to check out the GeoResonance information: i.e. not at all? Given the international search team’s record of saying one thing and doing another, it’s likely they’ll treat this the same way. They don’t want to know. The plane will be found where they say it is. They are in control. Please do not distract them, because they do not want to hear from you.
I have wondered if the pilots of MH370 were instructed to ditch at sea, far from any populated areas, by ATC or military officials. This would depend on “fresh mangosteen” and “lithium ion batteries” in the cargo hold. Rather than a “suicide”, were the pilots heroes? Why, again, are nuclear detection devices being used in the search for MH370…if there is a search? It’s hard to believe anything the international search team says.
Researchers at Perth’s Curtin University are examining a low-frequency underwater sound signal that could have resulted from Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 crashing into the Indian Ocean.
Dr Alec Duncan, from Curtin University’s Centre for Marine Science and Technology team, believes there is slim chance – perhaps as low as 10 per cent – the low frequency signal could have been MH370 either hitting the water or a part of the aircraft imploding as it sank to the bottom of the ocean…..
http://m.watoday.com.au/wa-news/curtin-university-researchers-find-possible-acoustic-trace-of-mh370-20140604-zrxaw.html
You actually make it seem so easy with your presentation but I find this topic to
be really something which I think I would never understand.
It seems too complicated and very broad for me. I’m looking
forward for your next post, I will try to get the hang of
it!
Mods, inundation of s.p.a.m. needs deletion.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27754002
Money is a powerful motivator. Look for this to get messy, with a 5-million whistleblower fund for information on MH370.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10887283/MH370-search-area-to-shift-again-amid-new-doubts-over-speed-and-altitude.html
“The search for MH370 looks set to expand further as authorities on Monday signalled another major shift in the search area, in what is already set to be the most costly search in aviation history.
“New doubts over previous calculations concerning the missing Malaysia Airlines flight’s speed, flight path and altitude have caused authorities to refocus their efforts on new sections of the vast Indian Ocean, the Wall Street Journal reported.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/10/mh370-malaysia-has-spent-only-a-fraction-of-what-australia-has
This article seems to indicate that if a plane like MH370 went down in a place like the Bay of Bengal, in Bangladesh territory, that the responsibility of paying for the search would fall on Bangladesh. Obviously, Bangladesh has no interest in paying for any kind of search, thus the alleged lack of interest in following up on the information from GeoResonance.
All transponders of commercial airlines jammed over middle europe by NATO “electronic warfare” drill in Hungary last thursday.
For flight control it appeared as if all commercial airliners had deliberately turned off their transponders.
EloKa (English: EW – Electronic warfare)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_warfare
Riddle about silent transponder solved.
quote Reuters june 6th 2014 (google translation)
After the failure of the civil air navigation systems in middle europe last Thursday, there are quite some problematic questions pending.
Conspiracy theorists suspect the presence of an electronic attack by the Americans. Though the authorities are desperately trying to play that dangerous event down.
As the Austrian Flight Control “Austro Control” reported, all planes disappeared exactly Thursday 14:00 from the screens of Austro Control. Some reappeared, only to disappear again. Apparently, the transponder of the jets were serially turned off.
Those transponders transmit data to Austro Control:altitude, heading, and speed forward. This meant a dangerous situation for the air traffic controllers. Because they have to ensure a smooth flow of about 4,000 overflights over Austria.
The Austro Control switched to manual mode. Additional air traffic controllers were used and opened more air spaces and increased the safety distances. The positions of the airmen were queried by voice. Thus, the system failure without collisions could be over.
At the same time affected were the ATC centers in Karlsruhe, Prague and Bratislava.
Journalists were able to find that just at this time in Hungary, a NATO exercise for electronic warfare (EloKa) took place. Exercise objective was to block with jamming the transponders of aircraft. This might be the reason that an error occured, and the noise signal spread over half of Europe.
The suspicion that an industrial accident at NATO has been the cause, also shares Austro Control spokesman Markus Pohanka. Asked by APA, he said: “cause of the failure may have been a NATO exercise in Hungary.” Otherwise, the Austro Control spokesman tries to play down the event. The failure lasted only 25 minutes. According to information available to the “KURIER” newspaper, the failure lasted in Austria until 17:00 and in the neighboring countries up to 19.30.
In such cases, NATO are usually delivering no statements. But probably triggered the message from various conspiracy theories. How about a suspected “KURIER” poster that Americans disturbed the radar to illegally bring an airplane through Europe. But this is no conclusive theory. For in that case they would have upset the radar system of the Armed Forces. Because the army with its active system “Gold Dome” looks – as opposed to Austro Control – also those aircraft that have a switched off transponder. Colonel Michael Bauer, Defense Ministry spokesman, holds to the fact that the military radar kept working all the time without problems.
A similar incident is reported from the USA. There, on April 30 of the flight plan of a U.S. spy plane U-2 had been misinterpreted by the computer of the air traffic control Los Angeles. Although the U-2 flew at high altitude. But the computer saw it flying at a normal altitude. More than 200 flights were delayed or had to be canceled. More flights were transferred to smaller airports.
This incident does have a cause other than the events of Thursday, but the effect was the same. The U.S. air traffic controllers set to “manual operation”. They had to pick up their phones and radios, and query the current flight schedules and locations individually.
Thank you, Bluebird. This is important information. We knew that electronic jamming was possible, as documented with links in this thread. That is the nature of “electronic warfare”. I do not think that any of us realized *all* would or could be jammed simultaneously.
Back to the strange failure of all air traffic control systems in Subang Airport, Malaysia in September 2012. If all commercial aircraft signals can be simultaneously jammed, did the ATC at Subang actually go offline in 2012, or did all commercial air traffic have its signals jammed simultaneously? Malaysia certainly is in a strategic location. Remember that Malaysia’s ATC was down for almost two hours, but other ATC centres in nearby countries area were still operational. A power failure with no backup power was blamed in that incident. An airport without a spare generator — truly incredible.
Most notably to this case, remember the military exercises taking place in the Gulf of Thailand when MH370’s transponder was shut down? Not forgetting Malaysia’s relationship with the Ukraine, and the timing of Russia’s actions there.
Sarah Bajc has now been interviewed about the whistleblower fund and participation by families of the missing MH370 passengers.
http://www.dw.de/mh370-families-a-fresh-set-of-eyes-needed/a-17692952
Your information is probably on their radar, Bluebird.
More on Bluebird’s story above (which is being completely ignored by the media elsewhere):
http://www.thelocal.at/20140608/glitch-disrupts-austrian-air-traffic-control
“”We have both a primary and a secondary radar,” said Colonel Michael Bauer. The primary radar can locate flying objects themselves.
The Austro Control, however, works with secondary radar. This is dependent on a transponder signal from the aircraft, which provides additional information to identify the aircraft. If this transponder signal is absent, the aircraft will not be noticed by a secondary radar.
According to the Kurier newspaper, a NATO exercise for electronic warfare was being conducted in Hungary at the time, which included the blocking of aircraft transponders on the practice schedule. Problems with radar systems were also reported from several NATO member countries.
Also affected was the Karlsruhe control center of the German Air Traffic Control (DFS), who monitor a significant part of German airspace.”
Does this sound familiar?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25278163
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-25278641
“Telephone glitch at National Air Traffic Service delays flights at airports in the UK and Ireland”
“BBC transport correspondent Richard Westcott said Nats’ internal phone system had broken down, which “meant controllers in the same room as each other couldn’t pass on important data to each other”.
He said it was a totally different issue to the software problem Nats suffered earlier this summer.”
From 2013. Who is responsible for all these glitches, and are passengers safe in these situations?
The skeptics note in comments that this story surpasses a “grain of salt”, and that drones fly in the area of the glitch:
http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/unset/user/41762/Spy_Plane_Fries_Air_Traffic_Control_Computers_Shuts_Down_LAX
Other skeptics have other theories, too.