I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
@NR: A course change over Poland? Who was responsible for that? Maybe the same entity that was responsible for MH370’s course change? Oh, right, that has been blamed on the pilot.
Does anyone know where this is located in relation to the oil rig worker who saw the plane afire, and the Chinese satellite image, purportedly of a plane in the water?
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Gazprom-Vietnam-All-Hands-on-Deck-in-South-China-Sea.html
I suppose if it was hit by ordnance from a plane, it would most likely be Kiev.
If from ground missile most likely the Russians.
But if bomb in luggage hold, then the focus is back to destabalizing Malaysia.
@katie 22 Jul, 2014 – 5:06 pm
“NR, I have been saying the same. There were 23 Americans on MH370…”
Strange. Initial reports on MH17 also said there were 23 Americans on board. This was later corrected to one person with dual citizenship and the initial mistake was because of “American sounding names”. How many Sacagaweas, Pocahontases or Sitting Bulls could be on one flight? Unless there was a upcoming convention of casino owners in Bali.
20 minutes after the first news of MH17 crashing, US media was all, “Our intelligence community almost certainly already knows who shot the plane down. They will have ultraviolet and infrared satellite imagery and acoustic (sic) information, that provides the signature of the missile system. Combined with recordings from numerous European radars they will know the track of the aircraft and the missile “within centimeters”.
No possibility of a terrorist luggage/underwear/shoe bomb or the center fuel tank spontaneously combusting or fresh mangosteens leaking juice onto lithium batteries.
Sho nuff, two hours later our intelligence community nails it. It were those pesky pro-Russian rebels!
After a week of constant anti-Russian, anti-Putin wailing, howling and outrage our intelligence community concludes it was most probably an accident. Which puts it on a par with the Soviet Union shooting down South Korean flight 007 or the US doing the same to Iranian flight 655.
Black boxes now in Farnborough, England.
@NR: Thus the need to carve out and carry away huge, important chunks of MH17…it was an accident, and all the proof you need is still there.
And now GE222!!!
It’s a conspiracy.
And AH5017.
Need to use the plural, guys. Disappearing airplanes. Once again 50 minutes into its flight.
CIA very close to Algerian SS
An Algerian plane has gone off radar
http://news.sky.com/story/1306685/algeria-plane-disappears-from-radar
What about the ‘pings’? did the Pic send any message before ACARS was dis-connected?
What about the pings?
And the pings, were they Okay?
“Some say the demise of MH17 is similar to this:”
I’m one of those, Q. Also TWA 800 where multiple witnesses observed contrails going up to the plane were ignored by FBI.
Hollande has also said he will cancel a planned trip to the French overseas department of Reunion in light of AH5017’s disappearance.
It’s starting to look like planes go missing routinely after being rerouted over “high risk” areas.
http://news.yahoo.com/air-algerie-ah5017-plane-disappears-115228417.html
Who exactly is responsible for rerouting MH370, MH17 and now AH5017? Was MH370 also flying over “high risk” airspace when it disappeared?
Airline industry expert:
“As we’re speaking, people have died on highways across the United States that we’re never going to talk about. But it doesn’t generate news coverage in the same way as this.”
http://news.yahoo.com/air-algerie-ah5017-plane-disappears-115228417.html
Generally speaking, hundreds of people don’t disappear or die simulataneously in highway traffic accidents. Generally speaking, air transportation is supposed to be safer that highway travel. Generally speaking, American motorists don’t get rerouted into areas of military conflict, etc…
A: none other than ATC.
OR some remote device
there are 517 “victims” or “disappeared characters” in MH370 and MH17 altogether
and now crashes AH 5017.
Let’s see what the two embassies have to say:
“Relations between Algeria and Malaysia are excellent. As members of the NAM, the OIC, the G15 and the G77, the two countries share similar views on various international issues and coordinate their positions in various international conferences and forums, particularly at the UN.”
MH17 was “hit” or “fragged” by an SA-11
No idea by whom. This was a “hi alt” flight.
I assume MAS had all “transponder” elements working !
If the BUK acquired the aircraft, the IFF element would have kicked in
IF that’s a ‘big’ if the trans-ponder had ‘been’ disconnected, then the primary radar would just see some UFO.
MAS and BUK don’t ‘mix’ well to-gether but is ‘it’ a co-incidence if the Air Algeria flight had a pro-eminent Ukranian ‘passenger’ on board?
Now the French SS are closing the area. We’ll never ‘know’ the truth.
“You pay we ship” is the policy of Russia in the global arms trade:
http://www.africanexecutive.com/modules/magazine/articles.php?article=7124
“Fresh mangosteen”?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustan_Aeronautics_Limited
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2009/10/hindustan-aeronautics-to-produce-boeing.html
http://www.advfn.com/nyse/StockNews.asp?stocknews=BA&article=41487917
http://www.brahmos.com/
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/04/24/Firefly-flight-forced-to-turn-back/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefly_%28airline%29
Everyone does business in Bangalore, no matter which side of the fence they’re on.
What was Malaysia Airlines thinking when they flew over Syria on July 20, 2014?
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-07-21/news/51831154_1_malaysia-airlines-syrian-airspace-flightradar24
It’s almost as if they’re tempting fate with these decisions. Don’t they know that Russia has armed both Syria and Mali? Were they foreshadowing AH5017?
More detailed coverage of Malaysia Airlines found here in five pages of coverage:
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/keyword/malaysia-airlines/featured/5
Just a few days before MH370 disappeared, Malaysia Airlines signed an IT deal with an Indian company, Ramco Systems. The company promised to make use of cloud computing. While the clouds are appropriate for airplanes, how secure is the cloud for managing and controlling airplane systems?
“From the cockpit to the tarmac and the hangar, Malaysia’s engineering and MRO operations can now be integrated more effectively, while several corporate functions such as human resources, payroll and optimisation, can be streamlined more intelligently…”
From: http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-03-03/news/47859663_1_malaysia-airlines-ramco-systems-solutions
http://www.ramco.com/customers/
Russia, Rolls Royce, Boeing, etc.
“We look forward to achieving a higher level of efficiency with the Ramco MRO enterprise solution to change the way our engineering and maintenance operations works. By integrating business processes and people, our E&M operations will become a more connected organisation. In today’s competitive market, it is important to leverage on new technology to attain levels of productivity and efficiency so that we are at par with leading MRO around the world.”
Ahmad Jauhari Yahya,Group Chief Executive Officer of Malaysia Airlines
How’s that working for you so far?
I’m not sure what to make of this:
“In MH370, they were like deer under the headlights. Here they have a very different role, and they’re basically very clearly saying, ‘We’re not responsible for this.'”
http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-07-19/news/51744618_1_malaysia-airlines-wreckage-malaysians
If they’re not responsible, who made the decision to fly over eastern Ukraine? Who made the decision to fly over Syria? They got lucky with that one, but any airline that has a policy that allows flights over high-risk airspace must have some share in the responsibility when its plane is shot down. Why would they take a chance over Syria when other airlines do not? Why would they take that kind of risk after MH17 was shot down? Malaysia Airlines seems to be playing Russian roulette.
Could those codeshares be the problem with all the planes falling out of the sky recently?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASKY_Airlines
http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/corporate-info/partner-airlines.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Alg%C3%A9rie
Jet travel brought Ebola to Nigeria via Asky. How many passengers on that flight boarded other flights before health officials were able to intervene? The list of passenger airlines serving the airport in Lagos is at the second link. Malaysia Airlines and Air Algérie are not listed. However, ASKY does fly to Burkina Faso. Air Algérie is a codeshare partner with Tunisair and Turkish Airlines, which also fly out of Ouagadougou Airport.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/25/first-case-ebola-lagos-nigeria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murtala_Muhammed_International_Airport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouagadougou_Airport
Remember the early days of this thread when there was speculation about a biotoxin?
An aside to all this is the AH5017 passenger manifest, which may or may not include Fidel Castro’s niece.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/air-algerie-flight-ah5017-ouagadougou-airport-marks-crash-with-website-banner-9626319.html
“Fresh mangosteen” is an interesting cargo. Fruit bats apparently consider them a favorite food choice, and as we know, fruit bats are a reservoir for the Ebola virus in Africa. How about it, Malaysia Airlines, care to explain your “fresh mangosteen” now? Any fruit bats with Ebola in Malaysia? The truth about the cargo is better than idle speculation on the internet.
http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2014/07/fao-warns-of-fruit-bat-risk-in-west-african-ebola-epidemic.html
Ebola found in Bangladesh fruit bats:
http://www.ecohealthalliance.org/press/84-recent_study_suggests_bats_are_reservoir_for_ebola_virus_in_bangladesh