I had fairly well concluded that the most likely cause was a fire disrupting the electrical and control systems, when CNN now say the sharp left turn was pre-programmed 12 minutes before sign off from Malaysian Air Traffic control, which was followed fairly quickly by that left turn.
CNN claim to have this from an US official, from data sent back before the reporting systems went off. It is hard to know what to make of it: obviously there are large economic interests that much prefer blame to lie with the pilots rather than the aircraft. But if it is true then the move was not a response to an emergency. (CNN went on to say the pilot could have programmed in the course change as a contingency in case of an emergency. That made no sense to me at all – does it to anyone else?)
I still find it extremely unlikely that the plane landed or crashed on land I cannot believe it could evade military detection as it flew over a highly militarized region. Somewhere there is debris on the ocean. There have been previous pilot suicides that took the plane with them; but the long detour first seems very strange and I do not believe is precedented. However if the CNN information on pre-programming is correct, and given it was the co-pilot who signed off to air traffic control, it is hard to look beyond the pilots as those responsible for whatever did happen. In fact, on consideration, the most improbable thing is that information CNN are reporting from the US official.
Mystery glow over the Pacific Ocean: Pilots left baffled by strange orange and red lights spotted in the dead of night
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2734573/Mystery-glow-Pacific-Ocean-Pilots-left-baffled-strange-orange-red-lights-spotted-dead-night.html
And now we learn that thet the top guns of China have done a barrel roll over a U.S. Navy surveillance 737, and passed within nine metres of the nose of the plane, a Poseidon. This is the fourth incident of its kind since March. As we know, MH370 waa a 737 that vanished without a trace in March. Does China treat passenger planes the same way?
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/27/chinese-fighter-jets-brazen-barrel-roll-over-a-u-s-surveillance-aircraft-leaves-americans-indignant/
Another viewpoint:
http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/exposing-chinas-provocations/
China also tested a hypersonic missile “around March 10”.
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-secretly-conducts-second-flight-test-of-new-ultra-high-speed-missile/
Now that you mention it, Pink, MH370 may have gone down in an area of 2000-metre tall, undersea volcanoes. Isn’t that a coincidence?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/11060461/New-clue-emerges-suggesting-possible-location-of-MH370.html
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/Details/49126
“Almost 200 cabin crew resigned from Malaysia Airlines in the year to July,
many as a result of the MH17 and MH370 tragedies, the carrier has confirmed.”
Who could blame them fro leaving.
Ukraine plane goes down over Algeria
http://news.sky.com/story/1327255/cargo-plane-crashes-in-southern-algeria
Malaysia plane 17 crashes, in Ukraine, all 298 dead,
Air Algerie Flight AH5017: Plane Crashes Near Mali With 116 dead.
Now Ukraine plane crashes in Algeria?
Is some body taking revenge?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamanrasset
Tamanrasset is the head quarters of the Joint Military Staff Committee headquarters for combating Al-Qaeda in Islamic Maghreb
WTF
“It came from Ukraine and headed to Equatorial Guinea via Glasgow”
What it came from The Ukraine via Glasgow, via Tamanrasset, Algeria on route to E.G.
I wonder who was on board?
No mention yet on the BBC
yet this Ukraine plane came via GLASGOW?
How normal is that?
There’s nothing normal about any of this. It all seems targeted. Let’s not forget the Ukraine’s ties to Malaysia, and Georesonance’s use of technology from Sevastopol.
Where does the Ukrainian government have embassies and cpsulates? In the oddest places, it seems, for such a small vountry. Two for two, but how is Algeria caught up in all this?
Simon Mann had things to say about Equatorial Guinea and the Thatchers. Say, isn’t there an Ebola epidemic raging in the region?
I can’t imagine why you would fly a plane from The Ukraine to Equatorial Guinnea via Glasgow, way out of your way, I expect they were dropping people off (secretly )for the conference in Newport.
Incidently it has been described as a commercial plane, according to Wiki that plane is a military one?
The Republic of Equatorial Guinnea is the richest country per capita in Africa, however the riches are kept by the few,
20% of children die before reaching five,
The authoritarian regime ruling Equatorial Guinea has one of the worst human rights records in the world, consistently ranking among the “worst of the worst”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_Guinea
I was reading in The Lancet that Ebola is considered a security threat. Is there something about the increased security level in the U.K. that we’re not being told (surely it can’t be about the Scottish referendum)?
http://globalhealth.thelancet.com/2014/04/03/ebola-guinea-people-patterns-and-puzzles
The Lancet speculates on the current Ebola epidemic, and whether it had anything to do with increased mining in jungle areas, possibly connected to infected fruit bats.
WMDs may be bioweapons. The Lancet has addressed the global health security issues of pathogens, in articles like this:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2814%2970719-4/fulltext
More on Equatorial Guinea:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_Guinea
http://www.newstimeafrica.com/archives/35202
So, Ebola is there. Senegal has closed its border with Equatorial Guinea as of August 21, 2014. But with the large oil industry and international flights going in and out of Malabo, how effective will Senegal’s attempt to stop the virus be?
FWIW, all airlines registered in Equatorial Guinea are banned from operating in the EU nations. Corruption, human trafficking, widespread poverty, scandals, outside interference — this nation has it all.
“Equatorial Guinea hit the headlines in 2004 when a plane load of suspected mercenaries was intercepted in Zimbabwe while allegedly on the way to overthrow Obiang. A November 2004 report named Mark Thatcher as a financial backer of the 2004 Equatorial Guinea coup d’état attempt organized by Simon Mann. Various accounts also named the United Kingdom’s MI6, the United States’ CIA, and Spain as having been tacit supporters of the coup attempt. Nevertheless, the Amnesty International report released in June 2005 on the ensuing trial of those allegedly involved highlighted the prosecution’s failure to produce conclusive evidence that a coup attempt had actually taken place. Simon Mann was released from prison on 3 November 2009 for humanitarian reasons.”
What was on that cargo plane, Michael Norton, and who? “Fresh mangosteen” for the first question?
Poroshenko: Ukraine “close to point of no return”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28997946
So if you are a failed state with NO MONEY why are you sending a military plane via Glasgow to a tiny country on the Equator that has ebola and has one of the very worse human rights in the world. Could you be shipping wealth abroad, very for jumping ship?
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/business/7-die-as-ukraine-plane-crashes-in-sahara-algeria-2
They claim the The Antonov An-12 was transporting petroleum industry equipment.
So they do not mention Ebola, fruit or fruit bats?
Bringing this over from the al-Hilli thread. Oil and politics always mix.
I’m at a loss to understand why oil equipment would be shipped from Glasgow:
http://chicago-illinois.yourlocalnews.us/index.php?zfcategory=WGN-TV%209&zftitle=Ukrainian+cargo+plane+crashes+in+Algeria+killing+7
Wouldn’t Aberdeen or Leith be more logical? Taking my cue from this meeting in Aberdeen. Glasgow is mentioned briefly:
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cabinet-meet-scotland-focus-north-sea-oil-133529415.html#C3Ceuu9
Glasgow:
http://www.clyde1.com/news/local/north-sea-oil-discussed-as-cabinets-meet-in-scotland/
AGrainofSalt has mentioned the “critical” security alert over there.
What an irony that Glasgow should come up now, of all times, with the referendum looming.
FWIW, from wiki:
“On 1 January 1985, the country became the first non-Francophone African member of the franc zone, adopting the CFA as its currency. The national currency, the ekwele, was previously linked to the Spanish peseta.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_Guinea
Is there something unannounced about the Scottish independence movement and the franc? Some sort of Auld Alliance?
http://caledonianmercury.com/2011/08/15/the-auld-alliance-may-still-be-in-force-academic-claims/0023452
It’s beyond my grasp.
BTW, MN, “fresh mangosteen” is far too obvious now.
The recent “legit” President of Ukraine had a huge amount of wealth.
The present “Chocolate King” imposter is an Oligarch
but that would not Necessarily stop him from wanting to “fill his boots”.
@Michael Norton 7:26 pm: It seems you’ve brought us back to the beginning, when treasure in the form of gold used to back currency in the Ukraine were circulating. This was the rumored mystery cargo on board MH370. This also connected to the Diego Garcia landing rumors. Where are you, Bluebird?
Shopping for a new currency in Africa, in a nation with a thriving oil economy? Not as odd as it may seem, when it comes to “Plan B”.
http://caledonianmercury.com/2011/08/15/the-auld-alliance-may-still-be-in-force-academic-claims/0023452
Does anyone know where the Stone of Scone is at the moment? It would a terrible thing if it were to go missing agin.
Q
it is amazing that IF this military Antonov came via Glasgow
why is the BBC refusing to mention it?
What are “they” trying to hide, are they just getting their stories to line up?
I posted this three weeks ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2718593/Manchester-bound-Dreamliner-jet-forced-make-emergency-landing-Azores-engine-shuts-midway-flight.html
I wonder who was taken off the dreamliner at Lajes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65th_Air_Base_Wing
Q posted @MN: What in the world is happening? Are you thinking rendition, extraordinary?
Minor detail: I guess the Dreamliner pilot couldn’t afford to order pizza for everyone, or perhaps the Azores don’t have Domino’s. New definition of “refreshment”: a sausage roll and a bottle of water. At least it wasn’t MREs.
Yes, I am thinking Extraordinary Rendition by the U.S.A.
Three minutes
after taking off from Tamanrasset ( nerve centre for defeating Al-Qaeda in Islamic Maghreb)
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/30/world/africa/algeria-plane-crash/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook
Posted on the not forgetting thread. Remembering the Swiss bank, and Saddam’s money. Consider the source:
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/World_News_3/article_7886.shtml
“Gadhafi’s creation of the African Investment Bank in Sirte (Libya) and the African Monetary Fund to be based in Cameroon will supplant the IMF and undermine Western economic hegemony in Africa,” said Gerald Pereira, an executive board member of the former Tripoli-based World Mathaba.
“The moves are also bad for France because when the African Monetary Fund and the African Central Bank in Nigeria starts printing gold-backed currency, it would “ring the death knell” for the CFA franc through which Paris was able to maintain its neocolonial grip on 14 former African colonies for the last 50 years….
““The US, the other G-8 countries, the World Bank, IMF, BIS (Bank for International Settlements), and multinational corporations do not look kindly on leaders who threaten their dominance over world currency markets,” wrote John Perkins, author of “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man,” on Johnperkins.com. It is redolent of Saddam Hussein advocating similar policies shortly before the U.S. invaded Iraq, he said.”
Also remembering stories like this:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-gold-reserves-secretely-flown-out-and-confiscated-by-the-new-york-federal-reserve/5373446
Ask the plane spotters, Michael N. Here’s one from 2012.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/marcomcginty/8128398622/
What are the call numbers for that Antonov? Here’s another AN-12 cargo plane:
http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/06/flying-business-class-on-an-antonov-an-12/
There’s little information on the AN-12, and little interest:
http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/546618-an12-down.html
UR-DWF is this one:
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=UR-DWF
http://www.planepictures.net/netsearch4.cgi?srch=UR-DWF&stype=reg&srng=2
http://jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=UR-DWF
http://www.airframes.org/reg/urdwf
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/june_2012/antonov_an_12bk__ur_dwf.cfm
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140830-0
The plane’s previous owners are interesting, as are its ports of call.
Here’s UR-DWF with a Malaysian Airlines Boeing 777 at Stansted Airport in 2011. I had hoped this would be 9M-MRO, but it was 9M-MRI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0rco-We2vI
Still interesting:
http://www.sott.net/article/276375-Strange-Coincidence-Malaysian-Airlines-Plane-Replica-Stored-at-Ben-Gurion-Airport
What’s at Stansted? In a series of extraordinary circumstances, their appearance at the same airport on the same day in 2011 might matter. From the Youtube description:
“Filmed Sunday July 10th 2011, this video includes some very rare / one off arrivals and departures at London Stansted Airport. First among the arrivals is the Antonov AN12 propellar aircraft. The first time I’ve filmed one of these and what an amazing sight and sound. It looks like the engines burn coal!”
“Very rare”, indeed!