One of the ironies of the Ukraine situation which has drawn no comment I can find is that the Ukrainians have been lectured on democracy by Baroness Ashton, who heads EU foreign policy despite never having been elected to anything. A distinction she shares with Baroness Amos, now in charge of beating the drum for a war on Syria at the UN. Amos was closely involved as a minister with the UK invasion of Sierra Leone, and shortly after resigning from office became a Director of Sierra Leone’s rutile mine, the single most profitable mine in the world.
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Very good point, Craig, and that is the nature of the EU that you so much support. Despite his horrible politics Farrange speaks the truth when he harrangs these bureaucratic creatures in the EU parliament. I do hope that Scotland gains true independence outwith the EU banker’s club.
As an addendum, you forgot to answer my query from the last post – re-posted here:
Bye the bye, Craig, when you say that you went through a similar process yourself (ie as mine, which, as I stated, was entirely illuminated by the 9/11 lies and false press coverage), how can you then continue to support the US government conspiracy theory about a few arab hijackers with box cutters being able to evade the multibillion dollar security complex and then to destroy the twin towers with nuclear weapons*?
*http://donaldfox.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/
Clarence
The EU is the great historic achievement of our times, though still far from perfect.
OK. I give in and just acknowledge that such a non-answer is the mark of a true diplomat. I thought you had ‘retired’ from that career. I guess it is like Putin – once a spook, always a spook and no mercy or consideration given.
And this is the same Baroness Ashton involved in the taped telephone call with Estonia’s foreign minister, Paet.
The new Ukrainian “government” is unelected, Ashton is unelected, I think you’re coming round to our way of thinking Craig.
Clarence,
Craig doesn’t “do” 9/11 – which is fair enough as it can cause all sorts of problems, of which he has already had more than enough.
As to whether or not 9/11 was a nuke job – well its pretty much irrelevant. What is clear is that the official story is quite ludicrous and impossible as it defies the most fundamental laws of physics and maths. Yet that is what most people still believe.
Personally, I don’t believe the nuke hypothesis, and go along with what Dr. Steven Jones writes on the subject.
*http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/a/Hard-Evidence-Rebudiates-the-Hypothesis-that-Mini-Nukes-were-used-on-the-wtc-towers-by-steven-jones.pdf
Tony
Clarence: truly spoken!
Some events are just too hot to touch, like a third rail…. ! Even otherwise honorable men like Craig shy away. Strange, you may think.
It’s called cognitive dissonance. If you wonder, as I often do, why otherwise rational people just cannot bring themselves to speak out on this grotesque and tragic false flag event, that has arguably caused more human suffering and misery than any such event since Hitler’s Reichstag fire targeted the Jews, have a look at the brilliant series of four articles by a psychologist called Frances Shure on “Why Good People become Silent – or Worse – about 9/11”:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/856-why-do-good-people-become-silentor-worseabout-911.html
This is the fourth chapter but you can link to the previous three from this article. It is written with sympathy and understanding for those who are caught and conflicted and unable to speak out. The one encouraging psychological trait that she notes is that, however repressed people are by fear of authority, once a critical mass (doesn’t have to be a huge mass) of subjects stand their ground and follow their conscience, the tables turn against the fear-inducers very quickly.
Thanks Lawrence, I will read the linked article. I guess what John Goss and I are attempting to do is to achieve that critical mass by constant updates and reminders.
Tony Opnok. Dr Steven Jones (Google him) is a classical gatekeeper working for the government. He is a nuclear physicist working on nuclear fusion (http://covertoperations.blogspot.com.au/2008/08/new-paper-from-steven-jones-et-al.html} who has not (as reported} been sacked from his job but is on sabbatical leave. Why did he suddenly pop up as an expert in the chemistry (not physics, nor – especially – nuclear physics) of nanothermite, a name sexy enough to confuse the unwary lay public but utterly meaningless in terms of the utter destruction and dustification that occurred on 9/11. He has also stated that the enormously high tritium levels measured around the site (a measure of nuclear fusion) could have resulted from the warning signs in the crashed aeroplanes (really!!).
The myths about democracy have been proven pretty pathetic in the modern world when Blair, the Bushes, Bill Clinton and his wife Hillary soon to be elected President, LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, Chamberlain, etc. ad nauseam have proven warmongers beyond equal.
And 9/11 was just another cockup after G.W. delegated all his powers to his subordinates to catch the alleged 19 hijackers red-handed.
Great historical achievement of our times? Interesting. Would’ve given that palm to the UN. The EU, while a nice idea, risks being going the way of COMECON, for the same reasons: misguided central planning (now done by bankers instead of commies.)
I can’t believe that numpties are still banging on about these ridiculous 9-11 conspiracy theories.
It’s called Breathtaking Hypocrisy, Craig, it’s the British National Sport
Last month the Guardian did a feature showing how we have been at war every year for the past century. And yet William Hague has the audacity to lecture the Russians on how bad it is to invade countries.
Max Hastings and Co. come out with this bollocks about the First World War being ‘necessary’ in order to resist German imperialist aggression. And yet in 1914 we were the worst imperialist aggressor the world had ever seen.
The double standards are breathtaking and constitute the very bricks the ridiculous British Establishment is built from.
You just have to laugh. It’s better than crying.
Sit back and enjoy the sight of Hague and Cameron holding their boy scout jamboree on the moral high ground. It’s better than Gilbert & Sullivan.
There are all kinds of crazy theories about 9/11, but it did happen somehow, resulting in a vast change in the whole world.
To not even try to understand what happened and why reduces one to just being a moron, willing to be manipulated by leaders, either elected or appointed.
Craig, you spend an awful lot of time critising that which you defend. How many politicians can you criticise yet still call for newer, better politicians? How many governments can you criticise yet still call for bigger, better governments?
The EU is an elitist, self-serving killing machine! Long live the EU!
Clarence,
I got bored to death with all the disinfo/disinfo surrounding 9/11 an extremely long time ago. Prager ain’t a physicist. Jones is. Incidentally, I got there two or three years before he did in early 2003, before the latest invasion of Iraq. I told everyone I knew – including everyone at work. Nearly everyone thought I was mad, and it had serious career repercussions, as I was now considered a loony by almost everyone I knew.
Incidentally, the reason I was so interested in 9/11 is because it was personal. The Grand Mother of twin baby girls my wife was Childminding was in one of the Twin Towers – when it was hit. She was talking to the mother from within, and then got cut off. For 24 hours we all thought she was dead – as all comms across the pond were saturated. She actually got out alive. People who get nuked, get fried. More disinfo. Ask a real physicist if you can find one.
Tony
KingofWelshNoir 8 Mar, 2014 – 3:10 pm
Max Hastings thinks the First World War was a “necessary war”. At Cameron’s demand the BBC and all other channels have been instructed to glorify war. I have complained to the BBC about the overkill (we are going to have this shit until 2018). Sign and spread this petition. Thanks.
http://noglory.org/
Tony Opmoc,
Sorry for writing your name incorrectly in my last response. But it is not irrelevant whether or not nukes were used. It is crucial. These are highly guarded – unlike thermite, nanothermite or supernanothermite – thus the use of nukes, if proven, (http://donaldfox.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/mystery-solved-the-wtc-was-nuked-on-911/) would truly indicates a very high level of military treachery or direct Israeli involvement. Hence the role of Steven Jones and others. Despite the rhetoric from Powell at the UN, not even GW Bush has suggested that the multiply-deceased Obama had access to such weapons.
It could be argued that EU as a whole, with it’s unelected commissioners and keep-having-referendums-until-you-get-the-“right”-answer, is in no position to lecture anybody about democracy.
I see somebody has brought yet another 9/11 conspiracy theory to the table. How many is that now and does it come with the same “un-debunkable” evidence as all the others? Troofers love their mini-nukes, the Bali bomb was a mini-nuke, so they claim, even the London bombings were mini-nukes according to some.
A word:- There is no such thing as a mini-nuke, you cannot make a mini-nuke, it’s impossible. Have less fissile material than the critical mass (9kgs for uranium, 6kgs for plutonium if memory serves) and it won’t explode, it’ll just get very hot and pump out a lot of radiation. The smallest practicable would give a yield of about 10 tons of TNT (see the W54 warhead and Davy Crockett missile) which would’ve flattened a sizeable chunk of Manhattan let alone brought down a couple of sky-scrapers.
OK Tony,
Just read your latest post. Sorry to hear about your personal tragedy and glad it worked out ok in the end. I’ll stop now with a final point from a German Government Minister: intelligence agencies spend billions of dollars every year. Some 90% of it is expended on propaganda and disinformation. So no wonder we are all in the dark, although our greater numbers, time, and patience eventually bring in the light to reveal at least some truths over time.
http://www.plenglish.com/
Click on the above link and you will find an article with the title.
“Russia Calls European Formulas for Ukraine Unacceptable
It shows a photograph of Ambassador Vladimir Chizhov. If you click on the link it gives you a Forbidden notice. This may be why, because it quite clearly demonstrates that Europe, Poland , Germany, and France are in contravention of international law in supporting the unelected “government” of the Ukraine. More news MSM does not want you to know. Thanks to Someone for pasting me the text.
“Moscow, Mar 7 (Prensa Latina) The Russian ambassador to the European Union (EU), Vladimir Chizhov, called the language in a document released for the EU Summit regarding the crisis in Ukraine, as “unacceptable and unjust.”
Warning that Moscow would not be intimidated by the language and threats of sanctions, the diplomat pointed out that the formulas included in the statements of Herman Van Rompuy, president of the European Council, are inconsistent with the insistence that negotiations and dialogue are the only way to resolve the crisis.
Chizhov stressed that just like at the meeting of EU foreign ministers, the Council’s document advises the freezing of visas and the suspension of negotiations on a new accord regarding this issue as well as the preparations for the G-8 Summit in Sochi.
The diplomat recalled that in regard to the visas and negotiations for an exemption between Russia and the EU, talks have been at a standstill for quite some time.
He indicated that the only new element in the European position was the attempt to divide the agreement on association with Ukraine, the deferment of which provoked the disturbances that ended with the forced toppling of Ukraine’s elected president, Viktor Yanukovich.
The ambassador explained that now, in order for the EU to show its support for the current illegitimate authorities in Ukraine, it had decided to sign the political part of the document with them.
“I should like to point out that the total volume of the text is more than a thousand pages. The substantive section, dealing with the economy, should wait until after elections that would allow for the formation of a more legitimate Government, or at least, one that is more responsible,” concluded Chizhov.
Russia insists that President Yanukovich, toppled by a violation of the agreement drafted between him, opposition leaders, and representatives from German, France and Poland on February 21, is the sole legitimate authority in Ukraine.
The agreement provided for troop withdrawal as a way to de-escalate the conflict, the formation of a national coalition government, and constitutional reform, as well as elections to be held in September, instead of by year end.
When Yanukovich complied with the first part, withdrawing troops, extremists swept in and overtook the Parliament and presidential offices, revoking his mandate, restoring the 2004 Constitution from the “Orange Revolution” and beginning a campaign to settle scores.
Despite this illegal behavior, the U.S. and its European allies recognized the new rulers in Kiev as legitimate and even went so far as to invite the new designated Prime Minister, Arseny Yatseniuk, to the EU Summit in Brussels.”
The picture becomes clearer by the minute.
Kempe.
Would you mind posting your qualifications?
Thanks. {Mine is a Cantab PhD in case you ask).
Yeah, speaking of stating the obvious about fake democracies, the problem with 9/11 discourse here is that the comments are heavily salted with chaff of a particular sort. Mention 9/11 and somebody’s bound to pop up with fanciful sci-fi tall tales: they did it with nukes, they did it with space lasers, with robot hijackers, with holographic crypto-airplanes. It’s a subtle attack on the reputation of dissenters that has nothing to do with the peer-reviewed evidence:
http://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/
Then there are the meticulously-documented accounts of US government officials Blee, Bikowsky, Casey, and Bowman infiltrating 9/11 hijackers into the US and protecting them from hapless law enforcement.
Then there is the blindingly obvious: The intricate 363-page PATRIOT ACT, plopped on the desk for Congress with superhuman speed. Anybody think it wasn’t sitting on the shelf ready to go? And when Daschle and Leahy drag their feet on rubber-stamping it, they are attacked with illegal biological weapons under the secure control of the US government (whereupon jack-of-all-intel-trades Bowman obstructs justice by destroying the evidence.) The terrorist’s Sarasota command center that FBI can’t comment on because they’ve been investigating it for more than a decade?
The only hard part of pulling off this coup was keeping a straight face.
“a very high level of military treachery” is completely obvious regardless of whether nukes were used..and another typo which I will forgive you. The evidence is fairly strong that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 of kidney disease / Marfen syndrome and all his supposed video confessions were faked by actors with completely different features (check the ears for example).
Incidentally, I would recommend this book by Susan Lindauer, regardless of what you believe. Its incredibly exciting – even better than “Craig’s Murder in Samarakand” IMHO. Only £9 from Amazon “Extreme Prejudice: The Terrifying Story of the Patriot Act and the Cover Ups of 9/11 and Iraq” She worked for the CIA, and nearly everything she has written is backed up by official FBI documentation. You’ve probably never heard of her cos the mainstream won’t touch her.
Well – do you think she is telling the truth???
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMuCiyUsRU
Tony
Jeez. Now there’s a factory somewhere making the feckers;
The Tony seed…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2574952/David-Cameron-meets-match-EU-emergency-summit-lookalike-prime-minister-Luxembourg.html
Meanwhile Mistress Merkel, hand in hand with Vlad, has them all by the balls:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/02/eu-reform-cameron-merkel-tory-europhobes
And, John Goss, isn’t Herman Van Rompuy yet another of these unelected EU bureaucrats who are leading us to the brink of another world war? Truly frightening and shocking.
Daniel, I’ve only spotted one numpty on this thread.
Baroness Ashton, NuLabour.
Baroness Amos, NuLabour.
“What Blair’s ministers did next”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7196420.stm
“The young mothers are being evicted from the Focus E15 hostel in the Labour controlled borough after the Council announced plans to cut costs by closing the hostel. This is the same council who recently spent an astonishing £111 million pounds on an office block complete with chandeliers costing almost £2000 each!”
http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/support-the-focus-e15-mothers/
Anyone reading all this stuff might think that these NuLabour lot went into politics for their own self-interest and self-enrichment with TOTAL disregard to the needs of others. “Greed is good” is their mantra!.
{Mine is a Cantab PhD in case you ask)
Not in physics obviously.
The point is that EU democracy is perfectly compatible and consistent with the indigenous political traditions of Ukraine
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-10/another-conspiracy-theory-becomes-fact-meet-men-plan-behind-italys-bloodless-coup
This sort of thing should be comforting and familiar to the oligarchs of Kiev.
Clarence 8 Mar, 2014 – 4:10 pm
Yes, because if you are in at the helm of the EU and individual countries are flouting international law and you do not attempt to put an end to it, you are just as culpable. I’d get rid of the lot, unless they could prove themselves, and start again.