One of the ironies of the Ukraine situation which has drawn no comment I can find is that the Ukrainians have been lectured on democracy by Baroness Ashton, who heads EU foreign policy despite never having been elected to anything. A distinction she shares with Baroness Amos, now in charge of beating the drum for a war on Syria at the UN. Amos was closely involved as a minister with the UK invasion of Sierra Leone, and shortly after resigning from office became a Director of Sierra Leone’s rutile mine, the single most profitable mine in the world.
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The most prominent manifestation of human irrationality is the inability to reserve judgement (loosely quoted from Stuart Sutherland). In other words, jumping to conclusions. Bertrand Russell is accused of telling this truth also, something about the stupid being cock-sure and the intelligent being full of doubt. The strength of convictions that are backed up by nothing more than third-hand information and opinion pieces, is baffling.
Thanks Habbabkuk for providing some sanity.
@Habbabuk:
Fair enough – Hitler targeted Communists, though Jews suffered greatly in the aftermath of his rise to power.
More generally (Daniel!) I have noticed one constant in all the discussions over the 9/11 false flag (as I believe it to be) event: those who contest the official conspiracy theory arrive to the argument with arms full of facts, references, documentary and scientific evidence… perhaps rather earnest but hey, it’s a serious matter – while those defending the OCT simply indulge in ad hominem attacks. I almost never see a reasoned argument in defense of the OCT. Now why should this be?
btw I have no truck with nuke theories regarding the 9/11 tragedy. There is more then enough hard evidence involving nano-thermite. Anyway, the purpose of most of us who see the abundance of contradictory evidence and false claims is not to pre-judge. It is simply demand a proper investigation by respected and professionally competent investigators independent of the US Govt, and with powers of subpoena.
Never underestimate your friends..we all have our ups and downs…but when you have given absolutely everything away to the limit of your credit///
Absolutely Everything Except Your Home and Your Girlfriend…
And You are So Determined To Give….and you look around and they all think you are completely mad and you are down in a hole….
And She Pulls Me Out Of The Hole
Then You Know Your Girlfriend Is The Real Princess
So I asked her to Marry Me
My Wife is Something Else
No Competition.
But All of Them are Total ANGELS
Its Just That She Chose The Best
Tony
When I was about 17, I told my brother..he was 10 years older than me – and a complete electronics genius – that I wanted to do computing whilst I was doing my Maths,Physics and Chemistry “A” Level…
He said to me (there is no future in computing) can the bloke who does microsoft put a line through that…
He said Yeh O.K. But First Yo Have Do Pure Maths and Physics at UNIVERSITY
So I Did – they Had This Paternoster Lift…
But I Wanted To Work For The Best Most Advanced Computer Company In The World…
So I Skipped The Last 2 Years Of The Degree…which was of course completely Politically Incorrect…
And International Computers Limited – Gave Me a Job at The Age of 19…
And said Read This – and Then They Threw Me in The Deep End…
So We Did It
But we never said
10 Years Ahead Of The Americans…
But I didn’t realise we were so good in Manchester…that’s all I knew..it was just normal..I had nothing to compare it with
Best Advice He Gave Me
Then We Did The Distributed Array Processor
and they asked me to test it…
How can I test it…??
It is Not a Serial Processor
It Processes in Parallel…
Its Like a Human Brian…
We were The FIRST
The NUMBER 1 In The WORLD
CRAY Looked at it from Their Enormous Room With All Their Heavy Water Cooled Gear Looking Like Tanks…
And We In Ashton-u-Lyne, Near Oldham – Were Outperfoming them with something the size of a fridge..
Tony
The interesting thing about the Ashton-Paet call is that the Maidan folks are not at all happy with the interim government that has been installed and are refusing to go home until their demands are met properly.
This means that the IMF plan is almost certainly doomed to result in more upheaval.
Likewise the ‘new’ oligarchs imposed to run provinces in the east and south are not being accepted by the Russian speaking majority there – further disturbances are ongoing.
I think it might be a bit soon to declare victory for the EU/US.
What Imeant to add to my previous comment is that perhaps the reason that so much breathless commentary surrounds the Crimea is because they don’t want too much attention to be paid to the utter mess they have created in the rest of Ukraine (they being TPTB).
So after 33 years – I buy a brand new scanner for £90 that also converts extremely old negatives…and go up into the attic – my wife just destroyed most of the photographs of my ex-girlfriends – but not the negatives…
I looked at these old photographs of my ex girlfiends – the first time I had seen them for over 32 years I recognised them instantly – but I didn’t recognise me…I thought shit, I need to delete those now….I look a lot better now I did not recognise myself…
So I also of course scanned the negatives of my wife from when we first met…
I simply didn’t realise…it was just normal…
And I am looking at The Photographs I Took of My Wife 32 Years Ago…
Who The Fuck is Kate?
Tony
Lawrence AB 9 Mar, 2014 – 1:30 am
“Anyway, the purpose of most of us who see the abundance of contradictory evidence and false claims is not to pre-judge. It is simply demand a proper investigation by respected and professionally competent investigators independent of the US Govt, and with powers of subpoena.”
Exactly. But the chances of getting it are as slim as getting an Inquiry into Lockerbie or an inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly, or the truth told by MSM over current events into the illegal “government” of the Ukraine. Sad but true. While supporters of these great western governments of ours trawl websites like this to help keep the myths alive.
The are the real anarchists. They perpetually peddle fantasy as fact and pat themselves on the back for their achievements.
The effects of 911 is still ongoing, hundreds of sayanim are becoming Fire-prone on an ongoing basis as accessories after the fact. The WTC7, one hundred yards from end to end collapsed simultaneously in free-fall along its ENTIRE 100 YARD LENGTH length?! Thats as ludicrous as some of habba’s dershowitzery here, defending the indefensible.indefensible.
[craigmurray.org.uk: this comment was posted under the username “Guano”, but it was submitted from an IP address used only for this specific comment. Guano denies posting this comment:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/stating-the-obvious/#comment-445352 ]
Valerie Amos emerged from obscurity by being Blair’s special envoy to drum up support for his “second resolution” to invade Iraq in early 2003. This involved going to countries like Angola twice in three weeks to try to get their UN Security Council votes. The reward for abjectly humiliating herself like this was to be made a Baroness and replace Clare Short as international development Minister.
I have been told that the ministers of the countries she visited couldn’t understand her reasons why they shouldn’t wait until the weapons’ inspections were over before making a decision. Presumably putting forward risible justifications for policies is all part of being a diplomat.
Correction
They are the real anarchists. They perpetually peddle fantasy as fact and pat themselves on the back for their achievements.
John Goss,
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John Goss 9 Mar, 2014 – 8:40 am
“The are the real anarchists. They perpetually peddle fantasy as fact and pat themselves on the back for their achievements.”
John, perhaps you can help me: Is an “anarchist” worse than a “communist”? Are all “anarchists” and “communists” “terrorists”? Or is that just “paediatricians”?. Anyway I’m sure I hate them all.
I’ve been trying to find something out about the background of Yulia Timoshenko. Her father left her to be brought up by her mother when she was three. She is not related to General Semyon Timoshenko. “не дай бог!!!” said Raphael on a Russian website. It is not quite clear whether her husband was involved in laundering the vast accumulation of money which she stole from the peasants and for which she was imprisoned up to the coup. Their daughter was educated at Rugby (I think). Can anybody provide anything (not Wikipedia). She is as beautiful as Gulnara Karimova (if you understand what I am saying. No wonder the West want her on board. She’ll fit in well.
John, you are too funny mate.
There’s a dropped y to correct. But I stand by my contention that real anarchists are compulsive liars with a weird self congratulatory streak. They’re a menace I tell you. And don’t get me started on the pretend anarchists…They are even worse than the paediatricians.
“anarchist”
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAgoldman.htm
“An old Jewish American anarchist talks about the importance of perseverance in the pursuit of revolution.” (It is said this was filmed at Emma Goldman’s graveside).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR7dNntU5oI
“Rosa Luxemburg”
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSluxemburg.htm
“Daniel, I’ve only spotted one numpty on this thread.”
The towers were brought down by controlled explosives, right?
@Evgueni,
I think people rushing to claim that the Russians have carried out “invasions” of the Ukraine, and/or the Crimea, are both jumping a gun that may not even be fired, &/or deliberately exaggerating , and when they try to equate Putin’s reactive actions iro Ukraine, to what the US did to Iraq, then you have to question their ability to maker rational judgements.
“The strength of convictions that are backed up by nothing more than third-hand information and opinion pieces, is baffling.”
Imagine how more baffling it is that people are so eager swallow the MSM narrative as it was the gospel truth, given it’s proven lying & propagandist track record & role.
“Thanks Habbabkuk for providing some sanity.”
A comment which will cause many to question yours !
BTW the full Bertrand Russell quote is;
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
Habba
On several occasions on this thread you’ve instructed other commenters, Mr Chips-like, to ‘do their homework’ on the subject of the EU.
On the previous thread, in support of Craig’s fantasy that EU membership inherently ushers in times of milk and honey, you uttered this howler-
‘Conditions – including economic – in Bulgaria and Romania are improving, but the process takes time. If you like, take Austria as an example – it was still a relatively poor country well into the 1960s but look at it now.’
Austria joined the EU in 1995. If it was true that Austria was a ‘relatively poor country’ in 1994, you argument would have some merit. As it wasn’t, it doesn’t.
Old Mark
“‘Conditions – including economic – in Bulgaria and Romania are improving, but the process takes time. If you like, take Austria as an example – it was still a relatively poor country well into the 1960s but look at it now.’
Austria joined the EU in 1995. If it was true that Austria was a ‘relatively poor country’ in 1994, you argument would have some merit. As it wasn’t, it doesn’t_”
______________________
You are right – but only if you think my specific point was that EU membership was responsible for the fact that Austria is nowadays among the most prosperous countries in the EU/Europe/world.
But that wasn’t my point. My point was more general, namely that the road to economic recovery and prosperity is not a rapid one. Austria was an example of this : it took half a century. German’s rise to prosperity after 1945 was quicker, but still has to measured in decades.
I made that general point in response to someone who said (if memory serves) that Romania and Bulgaria are still relatively poor countries after (only) a few years of EU membership.
Hope that clarifies.
Black Jelly / BlancMange (still a-quiver):
I’ve noticed you’re quite fond of ending your posts with a “sheesh”.
On the assumption thaat “sheesh” is a corruption of “Jesus”, does this indicate that you’re a covert Christian?
I think we should be told.
John, even fellow poet Benjamin Zephaniah is “turning into an anarchist“. Is he for real? God save us from this terror!
@ Ben 5:09, they’re not seeking info on Ukraine. EW ought to ask whether the drift of the questions could provide information on more pressing threats.
Now elected Obama has apparently carried out a dastardly act to take the international eye off the stalemate in the Ukraine – the downing of that Malaysia airliner over the Gulf of Thailand with all those Chinese on board to embarrass the PRC after the successful conclusion of its national party congress.
The act of terrorism is a repeat of the one which crashed Asiana Flight 214 when it was landing at SFO last summer, but its pilots managed to keep the plane from becoming a total disaster after one or more of its passenger brought it down while landing by using a hand-held laser in one of the lavatories to cause a bolt of lightning to come back down, and knocking out it auto systems.
Now two passengers with stolen passports got on the same kind of plane, a Boeing 777, and managed to do the same kind of laser attack, though this time it was flying at cruising speed, and at 35,000 feet, causing it to become uncontrollable, and quickly break up.
Of course, the Pentagon has quickly provided information that there was no explosion when the plane went down before it entered protected Chinese airspace, leaving Beijing clueless as to what happened to all those hapless Chinese.
Don’t expect to see this in any of the most controlled investigations, though.
Fighting the Reds. Fighting the Whites. Connect with the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army Of Ukraine.
I’ve always assumed that “sheesh” is a corruption of the Scots word “wheest”, as in “hauld your wheest” mixed up with the English word “shush”.
http://caledonianmercury.com/2010/06/11/useful-scots-word-wheesht/008440
With Ukrainian gangsters signing a deal with with American gangsters Chevron,
the whole debacle in Ukraine is about energy because that’s what conflicts are usually about.
They have to be really stupid because the country will end up like Swiss cheese by the time
the Americans have finished. And they are trying to do it in this country as well.
Sniping and other tactics are the MO, according to George Washington.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/snipers-commonly-used-false-flag-terrorists.html
Phil@12:56 pm Phil you seem to be hung up on Anarchy and Anarchists anyway for your delight here is this little number. Also many believe Anarchy = complete disorder,in fact disorder is complete order from natures point of view.
“Nameless Wildness”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdGH_zhLmeg
Phil; Anarchy has been maligned as chaos, but it decries the huge bureaucracy of centralized government.
It becomes a critical mass of corruption because it is consolidated into a mass of evil.
“Not only are super-structures wasteful and inefficient, but they also require that we mortgage our ideals and affinities. By definition, coalitions seek to create and enforce agendas. These are not merely agendas for a particular meeting but larger priorities for what type of work is important. Within non-anarchist groups, this prioritization often leads to an organizational hierarchy to ensure that all members of the group promote the overall agenda.”
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/curious-george-brigade-the-end-of-arrogance-decentralization-and-anarchist-organizing
It takes a village.