The terrible loss of life in the Malaysian air crash is tragic. But the attempt to ramp up a terrorism scare is ghoulish. We even had both the BBC and Sky speculating that it was the Uighurs. Now the suppression of Uighur culture and religion by the Chinese had been a great and long-term evil, and the West has been only too eager to shoehorn their story into the “Islamic terrorism” story. There is of course an enormous security industry, both government and private, which makes a very fat living out of “combating Islamic terrorism”, and a media which make a fat living out of helping to ramp it. Their spreading of fear has been extraordinarily successful given that Islamic terrorism is an extraordinarily low level threat and people throughout the Western world are vastly more likely to drown in their own bath than be killed by an Islamic terrorist. Indeed you are about 1,000 times more likely to be killed by a member of your own family than by an Islamic terrorist, though the risk of either is extremely slim.
The media uncritically trotted out the story that it was Uighur terrorists who were responsible for the dreadful knife attack at a Chinese railway station – with no evidence except that the Chinese government say so. Only when they impugn the Uighurs does the western media drop its wary disbelief of statements from the Chinese government.
There is no evidence at all that the Malaysian plane was brought down by terrorists. The Air France plane crash in 2009, for example, was caused by ice crystals in the pitot tubes giving incorrect air speed readings to the autopilot – this was because the plane had been incorrectly cleaned with a pressure hose rather than damp cloths. Most air crashes are caused by faulty maintenance procedures. [A number of people have since commented that pilot error is a more frequent cause. They may be right – but Uighur terrorists it ain’t].
The two people on board with false passports were routed on to Amsterdam, and the obvious explanation is that they were illegal immigrants who had bought stolen passports. This is very common indeed. I know from my own diplomatic experience that passports frequently have to be replaced by tourists who no longer have them. I also know (and I do not refer to the specific individuals referred here) that very frequently indeed the person who has “lost” the passport has sold it. At tourist hotspots likely people are often approached to sell their passport, (about US$600 is the going rate for an EU passport) and then declare it stolen and apply for a new one. It is a scam you encounter frequently in backpacking destinations, Thailand being a key example.
It is a peculiar kind of terrorism which does not seek to claim “credit” or publicise what has been done.. No suicide videos have emerged. That the Uighurs would attack a plane from a state of their fellow Muslims is a ludicrous claim. Do not be taken in by the Ministry of Fear and its media lackeys.
“Could these Uighur terrorists who don’t communicate with the world be a conenvient wedge between Russia and China?”
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No.
Unless, that is, you’re a conspiracist, in which case add a teaspoon of Mossad, a dash of MI5, half a jar of CIA, stir well over a low heat and you’re away!
Mon Dieu!
The chances of there being a bomb on an aircraft are very small, but the chances of there being two bombs is utterly tiny. Thus you should always take your own bomb whenever you fly, just to be on the safe side.
Ben
Anyway, I think you accept my point about INTERPOL and mass surveillance, and that’s good.
If it went done due to hijack or bomb, one thing is clear.
The WoT can only stop those terrorists it has recruited and enabled.
Clark
If we’re on the illegal immigration track, then I think it’d be a case of two bums rather than two bombs.
The following is a comment by a Worldwide pilot with FedEx for 30 years. Sorry for the length, but it is, as I see it, something worth posting.
“When you swap from Malaysia Control to Ho Chi Minh Control (as a consequence of leaving Malaysian Airspace and entering Vietnamese Airspace) you are now given a new Vietnamese VHF frequency for voice comm on VHF Radio. You are just at the limit of his broadcast range so you need to speak loudly and distinctly, and often you have to repeat your call multiple times after a few minutes if no-one answers. The Ho chi Minh guy, when you do contact him on radio, looks at his scope and sees that old time radar blip of an object having position, bearing, and some speed, and he asks you to confirm your squawk and your altitude.” Once you do that, and it pops up on his radar screen, he tells you “you are in Radar Contact” and likewise voice reports are not required, but he”ll ask you to call the next sector on a different frequency since they don’t have the finest sector transition system in the world, and you set your timer in the cockpit and when it goes off you put down your book and make a call to the new frequency and do the drill all over again. (And he may have asked you to ident as well but he does not need to if the numbers he’s looking at match what you told him and you’re the only guy out there at the moment). So that how the transponder system works.
How often that info appears on his screen I can’t say, but I suspect with a standard capability it sends out a signal whenever interrogated and probably on some reasonable timescale as it crawls across his radar sector heading to the next guys sector for a handoff.
What I think I’m hearing from these Malaysian Flight 370 reports is that the Transponder info stopped ASAP. That can happen if you turn it to off or standby—or blow up. We used to turn it off in military planes at times for various reasons I won’t go in to, but in Commercial aviation you never turn it off unless you have landed and the field wants you to go to a standby mode for taxiing, such as Bangalore.
Anyhow, as I understand it, the Vietnamese had Malay Flight 370 on the old blip of position, bearing, and a decent guess at speed. We need to know if they ever got a decent Transponder reading from Flight 370 since as I understand it, it was early in the entry to Vietnam Airspace when Comm and radar data was lost.
The Investigators do know from Malaysian ATC if the Transponder system was working and I suspect it was, otherwise it would have caused a stink among Malaysian ATC and I think we would have heard about it by now. As for what the Vietnamese were getting, I still do not know if they ever got transponder info. I suspect they did initially as I believe they confirmed altitude “Flight level 350”, which they would not get from the simple old fashioned radar blip, but they then lost it at the time they lost everything else.
If it was turned off it would stop giving out precise radar info such as speed, heading altitude. That could be intentionally or inadvertently done in the cockpit, but unlikely, because If the plane was still intact and the transponder simply failed or was turned off, that old info of position, bearing, and a decent guess at speed, would still be available if somebody was looking at it on the radar scope. That it seemingly vanished all together would indicate that the transponder failed and that the plane itself was blown apart enough that it no longer gave a decent radar return. It is also worth mentioning that in the time it takes to punch 4 typewriter keys (2-3 seconds?) I can enter into the Transponder a code that will continue to broadcast that I have an Emergency until power from the transponder unit ceases.
But if the plane had a catastrophic failure, which seems likely, then it makes sense that the bored Vietnamese Controller at 2 AM swiveling in his chair and smoking a knock off Winston, lost them on Transponder radar, and on the old fashioned blip return.
That’s where we’d have to know the frequency of the transponder sending out info and the Vietnamase’s capability of receiving that info, and also the frequency of the old time radar’s scan. FWIW, in Navt Alameda in the office I would have on the old AM Radio listening to Talk Radio or Magic 61, and about every 20 seconds or so you’d hear a “Blip” on the radio telling you the radar from whatever boat was in port was irradiating you and ever living thing on base about every 20 seconds. That 20 seconds, or whatever number of seconds it was, was the frequency in Alameda for the old time Boat radar interrogating for position, bearing, and a decent guess at speed”
Sofia, yes it was me who posted that comparison. However I noticed an inaccuracy in the calculation after posting it. However that does not detract from the fact that there is a much more likely chance of dying in a plane crash that has celebrities on board than otherwise.
“However that does not detract from the fact that there is a much more likely chance of dying in a plane crash that has celebrities on board than otherwise.”
Yes it does – the data provided could never have been used to test the “fact” you claim – it just wasn’t sufficient to support your conclusion. I could claim that chances of dying with a pilot on board were considerably higher using your methodology – but that would also be a vacuous statement.
Oh I see I am behind the times – it is confirmed they were of African appearance. Most likely explanation remains illegal immigrants.
Quite right Craig; perhaps the security industry will now work on a Boko Haram connection- although why they’d attack a Malaysian airliner ostensibly on behalf of the Uighurs in China defies understanding.
I built a case for finding first the cockpit voice recorder rather than the flight data recorder because it would more likely indicate a catastrophic collapse which Ben’s link supports.
When the Sukoi 100 crashed into the volcano in Indonesia, the cockpit voice recorder was found, as I recall, rather than the flight data recorder, and the Russian investigators let it go at that, not wanting to disclose that the air-conditioning system had been sabotaged, explaining the rapid descent, and the subsequent crash as a result of the ensuing chaos. The Russians thought pilot error was a better explanation for the crash rather than the plane’s apparent continuing mechanical failures.
This sabotage was so quick and deadly that it looks like pilot response, if it can be found, is the most reliable evidence of what happened.
Here’s a bit more detail:
“Two passengers who boarded MH370 with stolen passports are believed to be from the Middle East after a Financial Times report revealed that the tickets were bought by an Iranian in the Thai resort town of Pattaya.”
“Ali had asked for the cheapest route to Europe for his clients and did not mention the specific booking Kuala Lumpur-Beijing – unlikely behaviour by would-be terrorists.”
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/paper-reveals-iranian-link-in-ticket-purchase-for-passengers-with-stolen-pa
Does look like some sort of traffiking operation.
Anyway, this is cute:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=043_1394388310
So’s this:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b2_1394312617
The answer is obvious. Every government and every bank is in debt, so the money must have been borrowed from extra-terrestrials. This aircraft disappearance is just the first of many repossessions. Trowbridge Ford came closest; the two mystery passengers weren’t Uighur terrorists, in fact they weren’t even human, but they did use a communications laser to take over the aircraft using mind-control techniques (partially reverse-engineered by the CIA after the Roswell crash) and have it steered into the blue, lightning-like alien repossession rays.
Clark; The article from Natural news was tongue-in-cheek on the Triangle stuff, but it does seem to have vanished.
I see no one here has mentioned the 5 passengers who checked in…with their baggage of course, but did not board the flight. I’d say that’s significant .
First heard on China News TV this morning & now repeated in the Mail.
Of course I couldn’t mention Mossad’s role because that’s who I work for. OK, back to the cover-up…
Flight controllers had been trying to contact Flight 370 for some time. Another pilot made contact at 1:30 on the emergency frequency, but could hear only “mumbling” over the interference:
http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-pilot-i-established-contact-with-plane-1.503464
The Vietnamese navy claim to have detected the crash on radar:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/03/07/3981495/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact.html
Right, Katie, though I wish you had stated why – i.e., it showed that the two bombers were being checked to see if they got on the plane, and if they hadn’t, the five would have gone on somewhere else with the necessary equipment to do something similar.
Real evidence of a conspiracy.
Oh, thanks Clark for chiming in with your covert operator disinformation.
You forget the bit, though, about the passengers being kidnapped by space aliens.
Trowbridge, I’m sorry, there’s no nice way to say this, but have you considered the possibility that you’re going a bit mad? I mean, you don’t need bombers and a laser-induced lightning strike on the flight deck… Or is it all just codshit for us masses?
Trowbridge’s website – http://codshit.com/
“You forget the bit, though, about the passengers being kidnapped by space aliens.”
Abductions are now illegal under intergalactic law, they were getting too many complaints.
Wrong again , Clark, I am not mad, and codshit.com is not my website.
I have been investigating conspiracies for years, as my articles on it and other sites detail – so much so that spooks in Portugal, Sweden, and here in the states have tried to kill me on several occasions.
Codshit is the website of Edward Chanter in Brighton, and he choose to post all my articles there until Sam Rosenfeld, a former member of the FRU and the Mossad, threatened to sue it for what I was claiming about him.
Of course, Rosenfelt never did, and my articles have been appearing on other sites, but Chanter feared that he couldn’t risk it.
Fred, yes abductions are illegal, but the United States of Arcturus doesn’t recognise the jurisdiction of the Galactic Criminal Court, and reserves the right to use military force against it if any Arcturan officials are put on trial there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Invasion_Act
Yet another sticky wicket….
GPS ;spoofing’ could lead to a highjacked airliner.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/07/26/exclusive-gps-flaw-could-let-terrorists-hijack-ships-planes/
Clark; I’m not sure what your point is in connection with the link.
Trowbridge, it doesn’t matter who’s trying to kill you; you still don’t need laser-induced lightning and a conspiracy of two, five or seven bombers. Not even if I do work for Mossad.
Katie, 7:59 pm; I read somewhere (can’t find the link now) that those five passengers’ luggage was removed from the aircraft.
Ben, 9:16 pm; it’s my little political parody:
United States of Arcturus = USAmerica,
Galactic Criminal Court = International Criminal Court at the Hague, Netherlands,
Hague Invasion Act = American Service-Members’ Protection Act (ASPA, 2002).
“By any means necessary” (see ASPA) = military force permitted.
This incident is closed for the authorities, but what sort of electrical power would it take to set fire to jet fuel (diesel). Answer; a lot more than an airliner could generate. This had witnesses, however.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800
I am not talking about what you think is proper conspiracy to explain what happened to the Malaysia airliner, but what apparently happened.
http://flight800doc.com/fact-checking/fact-checking-popular-mechanics/
” The aviation community knew very well that Jet-A vapors were flammable at specific temperatures well before TWA Flight 800 crashed. And knowing this, Boeing engineers designed their tanks with the assumption that the vapors were always flammable. That’s why there haven’t ever been any in-flight tank explosions resulting from internal causes.
–The Boeing engineers’ design principle was to prevent any energy from entering the tank to ignite these vapors. To do this, extra protection to fuel gauge wiring in the form of a nylon sheath together with proper surge protection was employed. While only 120 volts was available to short into these wires, Boeing engineers tested their system up to 3,000 volts on new airplanes and then again after the crash of TWA Flight 800, on many older airplanes still in service. No issues were found on any representative aircraft.”
Diesel is heavy with oil and takes a lot to ignite, even fumes.
On the Iranian.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-10/mysterious-iranian-mr-ali-purchased-tickets-stolen-passport-passengers-paid-cash
“Still, before some read into this as an attempt to provoke Iran sentiment, the travel agent said she “did not believe Mr Ali was linked to terrorism, particularly as he had not specified booking the Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight but had instead asked for the cheapest route to Europe.” Ms Benjaporn said she was speaking about the case because she was concerned over the speculation about a terrorist attack and wanted the facts to be known.”
Ben, the TWA800 Wikipedia page is interesting; multiple eye-witness accounts of something resembling a missile, etc.. I’m not going to guess what actually happened; evidence seems contradictory.
But you can light diesel quite easily with electricity. My central heating kerosene burner has electronic ignition; the power is only a few watts. Liquid fuel certainly isn’t as flammable as they make out in the movies. My dad did aircraft maintenance in Burma during WWII. He’d demonstrate to new team members by throwing a lighted cigarette into a bucket of aviation fuel; everyone would flinch, but the cigarette just fizzled out every time. But I’m sure that, with a bit of practice, I could ignite diesel with a D cell and some wire.