The terrible loss of life in the Malaysian air crash is tragic. But the attempt to ramp up a terrorism scare is ghoulish. We even had both the BBC and Sky speculating that it was the Uighurs. Now the suppression of Uighur culture and religion by the Chinese had been a great and long-term evil, and the West has been only too eager to shoehorn their story into the “Islamic terrorism” story. There is of course an enormous security industry, both government and private, which makes a very fat living out of “combating Islamic terrorism”, and a media which make a fat living out of helping to ramp it. Their spreading of fear has been extraordinarily successful given that Islamic terrorism is an extraordinarily low level threat and people throughout the Western world are vastly more likely to drown in their own bath than be killed by an Islamic terrorist. Indeed you are about 1,000 times more likely to be killed by a member of your own family than by an Islamic terrorist, though the risk of either is extremely slim.
The media uncritically trotted out the story that it was Uighur terrorists who were responsible for the dreadful knife attack at a Chinese railway station – with no evidence except that the Chinese government say so. Only when they impugn the Uighurs does the western media drop its wary disbelief of statements from the Chinese government.
There is no evidence at all that the Malaysian plane was brought down by terrorists. The Air France plane crash in 2009, for example, was caused by ice crystals in the pitot tubes giving incorrect air speed readings to the autopilot – this was because the plane had been incorrectly cleaned with a pressure hose rather than damp cloths. Most air crashes are caused by faulty maintenance procedures. [A number of people have since commented that pilot error is a more frequent cause. They may be right – but Uighur terrorists it ain’t].
The two people on board with false passports were routed on to Amsterdam, and the obvious explanation is that they were illegal immigrants who had bought stolen passports. This is very common indeed. I know from my own diplomatic experience that passports frequently have to be replaced by tourists who no longer have them. I also know (and I do not refer to the specific individuals referred here) that very frequently indeed the person who has “lost” the passport has sold it. At tourist hotspots likely people are often approached to sell their passport, (about US$600 is the going rate for an EU passport) and then declare it stolen and apply for a new one. It is a scam you encounter frequently in backpacking destinations, Thailand being a key example.
It is a peculiar kind of terrorism which does not seek to claim “credit” or publicise what has been done.. No suicide videos have emerged. That the Uighurs would attack a plane from a state of their fellow Muslims is a ludicrous claim. Do not be taken in by the Ministry of Fear and its media lackeys.
Dad. 4 35pm
Re my question to John about politicians and celebs dying in plane crashes.
”Oh Heavens, not again.”
I have to apologise for rattling your cage Dad. Dr Bullstrode gave me a hard time over that one too. He’s at his wits’ end trying to manage your condition and finds my childish pranks most unhelpful.
Ben. 4 45pm
”The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand.”
For what it’s worth, that’s how it strikes me.
Dad. 4 51pm
“No.
Unless, that is, you’re a conspiracist……”
Are those who point out clear conspiracies (like Nulands “Fuck the EU” phonecall) conspiracists, by which I believe you imply the person is pushing some kind of fantasy “conspiracy theory”?
John. 5 14pm
… “I noticed an inaccuracy in the calculation after posting it. However that does not detract from the fact that there is a much more likely chance of dying in a plane crash that has celebrities on board than otherwise.”
Thanks. I just wanted to review what you posted. I had no idea it would cause Dad and his acolyte such a fit. Do they fear a forbidden narrative emerging?
I clearly haven’t a clue why the plane disappeared but would like to examine the possibilities. Do you think I might have I contracted conspiratosis?
“Diesel is heavy with oil and takes a lot to ignite, even fumes.”
Planes don’t run on diesel, apart from anything it freezes at relatively high temperatures.
Jet fuel is a type of paraffin, or kerosene as some people call it.
There was a naval exercise off-shore at the time Clark. As you can see, the NTSB tested tanks at up to 3000 watts with no event. The shielding could have been compromised on the wiring, but even with witnesses (effectively ignored) we still don’t know for sure what happened.
Dunno Sofia, possibly. Bit short of time. Before re-posting I want to examine the content. No time at the mo.
I can’t even pretend to know what might have happened with this plane so i won’t speculate.
But i do know it’s certainly taken the Ukraine/Crimea/Russian/NATO action off the front pages…
Jet fuel is a purer form of diesel. Gasoline and diesel are by products of refining to get kerosene. If jets ran on kerosene they would have been broke long ago.
FWIW an ‘expert in flight safety’ M. Christophe Naudin adds to the mystery here-
http://euronews.com/2014/03/10/thailand-travel-agents-questioned-over-tickets-for-missing-jet/
Ben, that’s 3000 volts, not watts. Volts is “electrical push”, like how hard the electricity is trying to get through. Current (amps) is like current in water; rate of flow or electrons-per-second. Watts is power, or energy converted per second; most electrical energy gets converted into heat. For electricity, watts = volts times amps.
But it makes no odds. If you heat a small enough piece of wire it’ll get hot enough to ignite liquid fuel. Like an old-fashioned battery torch or flashlight, the filament in the bulb glows white-hot, but it’s powered by just a couple of penlight cells.
But I’m just pointing out principles; none of this means that Boeing’s wiring caused the disaster. Yes, 630 witness reports were effectively suppressed, so it could have been a cover-up. It was also just four months after the US settled with Iran over the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 in 1988.
“Jet fuel is a purer form of diesel. Gasoline and diesel are by products of refining to get kerosene. If jets ran on kerosene they would have been broke long ago.”
Jet fuel is a mixture of a large number of different hydrocarbons. The range of their sizes (molecular weights or carbon numbers) is restricted by the requirements for the product, for example, the freezing point or smoke point. Kerosene-type jet fuel (including Jet A and Jet A-1) has a carbon number distribution between about 8 and 16 (carbon atoms per molecule); wide-cut or naphtha-type jet fuel (including Jet B), between about 5 and 15.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
Kerosene is $11 per gal here. Gas 4 bucks. Diesel runs about twenty cents higher tan gas. No way the airlines would survive paying for the formula.
No idea where you’re buying your kerosene from but you need to find another supplier. The airlines are currently paying about $3 per US gallon for jet fuel which according to my calculations is about the same as I’m paying for my heating oil (54p/litre).
It wasn’t the liquid fuel in TWA800 that was ignighted but the vapour. As with petrol this is far more volatile than the fuel itself.
“Two passengers who boarded MH370 with stolen passports are believed to be from the Middle East after a Financial Times report revealed that the tickets were bought by an Iranian in the Thai resort town of Pattaya.”
“Ali had asked for the cheapest route to Europe for his clients and did not mention the specific booking Kuala Lumpur-Beijing – unlikely behaviour by would-be terrorists.”
Interestingly, all papers are today running with another anti-Iran story:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/iran-ordered-lockerbie-bombing-claims-exintelligence-officer-9182907.html
The theory is far from new – Private Eye has been patiently pointing out the deficiencies in the Megrahi case (which are glaring) for years – but it is interesting that the revelation comes now, and not long after Netanyahu returns from his preaching tour of the US….
Re. Trowbridge, to give him more attention than he deserves, I will never forget his masterly assessment of the Soham murders as being committed by a US serviceman in transit from Afghanistan and out of his box on paludrine. The mere admission of the crime by Huntley should not be allowed to stand in the way of recognising the, er, deep truth of the matter.
Give it another week before deciding whether terrorists or a “new Bermuda triangle” might be responsible.
Also in today’s
somamedia –http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10688862/RAF-spy-plane-to-monitor-Ukraine-crisis.html
Type unspecified here, but this would seem to be a Sentinel surveillance plane. As far as I know we don’t do Blackbirds. (The US used to, and now I will have to kill you – the SR-72 will probably be equally clandestine). Even so, another thing we don’t do is advertise the whereabouts of our surveillance capability to the yellow press(1), so this publicity has to be a pathetic attempt at sabre-rattling.
(1) They know where it’s kept, anyway – http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafwaddington/
The official cover up is already well underway way with Malayan security saying that the two Iranians with stolen passports apparently have no connections with terrorist groups!
What about terrorist states, especially the USA, which regularly engage in terrorism, given all its sophisticated lasers and inosopheric heaters?
The pathetic performance by Kuala Lumpur is underlined by still suggesting that it would have done by a mad bomber for the insurance he took. Why couldn’t the Iranians have been paid by some state to do the dirty work?
Then the five passengers who decided at the last minute not to go, and take away their baggage have apparently disappeared off the radar too.
The crash is certainly an act of sabotage by a rogue state, apparently Washington, given how it is seeing to the cover up of the one in SFO last summer, and now this one.
Jives opines
“I can’t even pretend to know what might have happened with this plane so i won’t speculate.
But i do know it’s certainly taken the Ukraine/Crimea/Russian/NATO action off the front pages…”
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Notice those significant little dots : …..
Do I smell Jives sniffing out a mini-conspiracy? 🙂
Ba”ar Zevul
“Re. Trowbridge, to give him more attention than he deserves, I will never forget his masterly assessment of the Soham murders as being committed by a US serviceman in transit from Afghanistan and out of his box on paludrine. The mere admission of the crime by Huntley should not be allowed to stand in the way of recognising the, er, deep truth of the matter.”
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I really liked that one, Ba’ar Zevul!
You’re “killing him softly” 🙂
That’s one of the most hilarious facets of conspiracy theories. When a terrorist attack occurs it’s inevitably a “false flag” carried out by the powers that be for some nefarious reason, however any accident is really a terror attack which those same nasty people are attempting to cover up.
Just more rot by you, Wot.
I have never written anything about those murders, and certainly did not write the article about it on codshit.com.
I think it was written by Chanter, but don’t really know or care. He has posted articles by other writers, many of which I did not and do not agree with, but that did not stop me from posting there or here, for that matter.
Just more trolling by the trolls here to discredit me, a messenger.
Do notice that my references on google have now gone up to over 400,000, thanks to my efforts here and elsewhere.
Regarding the disappearance of the flight, the Malay military has added to the confusion by stating that the plane changed course, and flew west to the Straits, only to then go off its radars.
Washington is pulling out all the stops to stop any worthwhile investigation.
Now I have looked up the article you are apparently referring to, and it was written by Joe Vialls, the Mossad agent, it seems, who has gone missing, apparently died.
You are just similar scum.
Jet fuel is kerosene, not diesel. Just the particulate by-products of combustion would eliminate the use of diesel in commercial airlines where engine maintenance downtime is very costly.
And it doesn’t matter what temperatures fuel vapors might be subjected to in an oxygen free tank – no bang. I don’t know what gas fills the void of a rapidly emptying aircraft fuel tank, but i imagine it is not oxygen rich air, rather, inert exhaust gases piped in from the engines.
This tragic mystery will soon be solved. The first piece of debris will drastically narrow the search area where further remains will certainly be found soon after and, hopefully, also the flight recorder.
However, I remain suspicious of the reported deviation of the plane from its intended course.
PS – when will aircraft manufacturers install (cheap) small tanks of fluorescent dye that break open on impact, to make aerial spotting of sea crashes easier to sight?
LATEST on the ‘missing’ five.
‘SEPANG, March 11 — Malaysian police refuted reports today that there were five individuals who had checked into MH370 but did not board the plane, appearing to suggest inconsistencies in information disseminated by investigators to the media.
Inspector-General of Police (IGP) Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar told reporters that every single passenger who booked a spot on the Boeing B777-200 aircraft had boarded the flight.’
Curiouser & curiouser !
Sorry.
Link: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/igp-says-missing-5-never-checked-into-mh370
” it doesn’t matter what temperatures fuel vapors might be subjected to in an oxygen free tank – no bang. I don’t know what gas fills the void of a rapidly emptying aircraft fuel tank, but i imagine it is not oxygen rich air, rather, inert exhaust gases piped in from the engines. ”
It is air believe it or not. Filling a fuel tank with blisteringly hot exhaust gases is generally considered to be a worse idea.
Stronly disagree with your prediction, Jemand, that the mystery will soon be solved, once the first piece of debris is found,
Doubt any debris is found, and if one or even a few are, the massive amount of people and machinery never will be found, as the plane suffered a massive, deliberate , mechanical failure which resulted in an inferno which consumed almost everything before it hit the ground.
Still say that it is a repeat of what happened to Asiana Flight 214 but at an attitude and speed way beyond any pilot to deal with.
Interesting that the Iranian ‘refugees’ have the same legs!
http://www.fz.com/content/mh370-leggy-iranians-give-more-fodder-conspiracy
Why would they bother to photoshop or mix 2 photos?
THF – “Just more rot by you, Wot.
I have never written anything about those murders, and certainly did not write the article about it on codshit.com.
I think it was written by Chanter, but don’t really know or care. He has posted articles by other writers, many of which I did not and do not agree with, but that did not stop me from posting there or here, for that matter.”
Correct, sincere apologies. The piece was by Joe Vialls, and I have no idea why I thought it was by you. Could have sworn it had your byline. Now I’ll have to look for something else, by you, with similar comedic potential. Damn.
You have already tried to make me look like a fool on this thread – claiming that the Asiana Flight 214 crash was all pilot error – you know the guys the NTSB officially referred to as “We Tu Low,”, “We Fuk Up'” etc., adnauseam. It too apologized for the most outrageous behavior, firing some scapegoat intern when some of the bosses should have gone to regain some credibility.
Still think that the SFO crash is most relevant, along with those on 9?11 which I have seen no reference to.
Think that the Malaysia plane was made into a human meteor- thanks to a thunder bot brought down to the cabin from a hand-helt laser fired there, starting fires which soon made the plane a fiery hulk which was completely destroyed.
These planes are just ticking bombs if they are somehow penetrated by a massive energy charge, as their disappearance in the 9/11 tragedies demonstrated.
Now go have your big laugh, and tell everyone about it.
I always try to make amends for my errors, lol
And….Aha. I like this one.
http://www.rockythedog.net/spooky/disasters4.html
The US intentionally caused the Aceh tsunami, not by a nuke as Joe Vialls (the noted dead conspiracy theorist probably in the pay of Mossad, curse him!) thought, but by using super air guns on the sea floor. And Wolfowitz is evil…ok, we knew. Now read on.
Trowbridge, the geology wouldn’t get you an E in first year. Tell me it isn’t by you. Please.
“Think that the Malaysia plane was made into a human meteor- thanks to a thunder bot brought down to the cabin from a hand-helt laser fired there, starting fires which soon made the plane a fiery hulk which was completely destroyed.”
That is extremely implausible on all sorts of levels. Lacking any evidence to for it, and present several technical objections, can we confine ourselves to the known? Which is that an a/c is lost, no wreckage has been found and someone on an oilrig may have seen something burning in the air?