The terrible loss of life in the Malaysian air crash is tragic. But the attempt to ramp up a terrorism scare is ghoulish. We even had both the BBC and Sky speculating that it was the Uighurs. Now the suppression of Uighur culture and religion by the Chinese had been a great and long-term evil, and the West has been only too eager to shoehorn their story into the “Islamic terrorism” story. There is of course an enormous security industry, both government and private, which makes a very fat living out of “combating Islamic terrorism”, and a media which make a fat living out of helping to ramp it. Their spreading of fear has been extraordinarily successful given that Islamic terrorism is an extraordinarily low level threat and people throughout the Western world are vastly more likely to drown in their own bath than be killed by an Islamic terrorist. Indeed you are about 1,000 times more likely to be killed by a member of your own family than by an Islamic terrorist, though the risk of either is extremely slim.
The media uncritically trotted out the story that it was Uighur terrorists who were responsible for the dreadful knife attack at a Chinese railway station – with no evidence except that the Chinese government say so. Only when they impugn the Uighurs does the western media drop its wary disbelief of statements from the Chinese government.
There is no evidence at all that the Malaysian plane was brought down by terrorists. The Air France plane crash in 2009, for example, was caused by ice crystals in the pitot tubes giving incorrect air speed readings to the autopilot – this was because the plane had been incorrectly cleaned with a pressure hose rather than damp cloths. Most air crashes are caused by faulty maintenance procedures. [A number of people have since commented that pilot error is a more frequent cause. They may be right – but Uighur terrorists it ain’t].
The two people on board with false passports were routed on to Amsterdam, and the obvious explanation is that they were illegal immigrants who had bought stolen passports. This is very common indeed. I know from my own diplomatic experience that passports frequently have to be replaced by tourists who no longer have them. I also know (and I do not refer to the specific individuals referred here) that very frequently indeed the person who has “lost” the passport has sold it. At tourist hotspots likely people are often approached to sell their passport, (about US$600 is the going rate for an EU passport) and then declare it stolen and apply for a new one. It is a scam you encounter frequently in backpacking destinations, Thailand being a key example.
It is a peculiar kind of terrorism which does not seek to claim “credit” or publicise what has been done.. No suicide videos have emerged. That the Uighurs would attack a plane from a state of their fellow Muslims is a ludicrous claim. Do not be taken in by the Ministry of Fear and its media lackeys.
PS – the link I gave @1130 is to a woo site. Which means that the meaningful decoration may obscure the text in your browser. Edit> Select All will reveal T’s deathless prose clearly.
Since the link on my laptop about the 2004 massive tsumanis in the Indian Ocean is unreadable, I suggest the posters look for the article about what the USS Jimmy Carter accomplished on cryptome, veterans today, and yes, codshit.com.
I have provide evidence about the total destruction of the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks, and the cause of the two fires in the passenger cabin before the SFO crash, so its alleged lack is only in minds which are totally closed.
Are you Joe Vialls replacement, trying to make up for the errors he made which got me involved in correcting?
“Are you Joe Vialls replacement, trying to make up for the errors he made…?”
God forbid. That is almost too shameful an accusation to bear (takes out onion).
It is what you and the late Joe have in common that – slightly – interests me. Your messianic enthusiasm for propagating half baked ‘explanations’ of events, each based on a fixed preconception, on any blog that doesn’t ban you. Your pretence that expertise in one academic field qualifies you any better than the intelligent man in the street to pontificate about others. And, yes, your motives for shouting the unsubstantiated odds.
No, I don’t work for Mossad/NSA/FSB/The Northern Lighthouse Board, incidentally. I have no personal or political reason for discounting most of your voluminous out-of-field ravings except that they are 90% bollocks, and you probably know this at some level yourself. Admit it.
Your link about my tsumanis article doesn’t work, as it has been impaired at the site, though you have apparently added your own title to it. Will get rocky the dog to fix it.
Suspect that you work for GCHQ, given your blanket attack on all my work.
I still support it all, except for my original claim that the Iranians killed John P. Wheeler, III, thanks to a series of articles John Shiffman had written for The Philadelphia Inquirer.
Actually, the articles were intended to make it look that way, so if it proved necessary for NSA’s Special Collection Service to silence him, and it did when he objected to all those extreme measures that NSA adopted to stop Iran’s nuclear program
Will change anything else that is wrong, even from you if it is more that just personal attacks,
“No, I don’t work for Mossad/NSA/FSB/The Northern Lighthouse Board”
I should point out that when I mentioned the Northern Lighthouse Board on another thread I did not mean to imply that there was anything sinister about the board itself. Just that the members comprise, among others, the elite of the Scottish legal establishment. I’m confident the board itself is above board and merely gives board members the chance of an informal chat after meeting.
Sorry to pinch your reference there, Fred. Maybe I should have said the Masons…
THF…Gave my own title to the site? WTF are you talking about? As I pointed out, all you have to do is ‘select all’, and the idiotic graphics disappear behind the now-legible text.
How many times does it take to convince a conspiracy theorist of anything?….don’t answer that.
‘Suspect that you work for GCHQ, given your blanket attack on all my work.’
Wish they paid me, lol. I am not attacking all your work. Some of it – in your field – may even make sense. What I have cited does not. Still, think what you wish, and I am sure you will not guess the truth about my origin in a distant galaxy (where I still am) and amazing telepathic link to the security organisations of every country on earth.
Now CAPTCHA censor has erroneously blocked my post six times, so I shall settle for this:
1. some is synonymous for 90%?
2. You are The Local’s Jamtjim, the UK ex-pat who got paid by the covert Brits for debunking my claims by similar personal attacks?
‘1. some is synonymous for 90%?’
Opinions differ. As an historian you will be familiar with the concept of research. Google is your friend.
‘2 You are The Local’s Jamtjim, the UK ex-pat who got paid by the covert Brits for debunking my claims by similar personal attacks?’
Who? And who do I contact to get paid for it? I’m doing this out of the goodness of my heart, Trowbridge. As a public service, sure. But wholly unremunerated.
And again:
“Think that the Malaysia plane was made into a human meteor- thanks to a thunder bot brought down to the cabin from a hand-helt laser fired there, starting fires which soon made the plane a fiery hulk which was completely destroyed.”
Please, Trowbridge. That’s by an 11-year-old, isn’t it? You’re having a laugh? I am.
Reproduced here is a credible account by an observer of his sighting of a burning plane. I certainly wouldn’t discount this, although the Viets found nothing in the area described. But I am prepared to guarantee that a handheld laser had nothing to do with it. You may quote me.
http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/03/oil-rig-worker-says-he-saw-malaysia-air-flight-370-go-down/359093/
You link to what oil-rig operator Mike McKay saw – a burning plane high in the sky where the Malaysia flight was last reported by its transponders reported it – and yet you dismiss what a souped-up, military style hand-held laser, like an Arctic IInferno one, could do.
The flight is now as missing as your brain.
Ba’ar Zevul-a-Bub
Well, you seem to have seen through Trowbridge at last – it’s taken you some time to go public with that, but hey, it’s getting there that counts.
You are progressing, and I hope that your newly found critical faculties will soon turn to some of the other charlatans on this blog.
Buggerlugs –
I saw through you a long time ago. My opinion hasn’t changed.
Trowbridge opines from his ivory tower – “You link to what oil-rig operator Mike McKay saw – a burning plane high in the sky where the Malaysia flight was last reported by its transponders reported it – and yet you dismiss what a souped-up, military style hand-held laser, like an Arctic IInferno one, could do.
The flight is now as missing as your brain.”
Although conscious that this could well be from a sockpuppet with a talent for parody, I’ll respond. McKay saw something, was moved to report it, and described what he saw in some detail. I’m encouraged to learn this morning that a satellite photo showed interesting debris floating E of McKay’s position – this has only just emerged due to data processing time. If I have a favourite location for what happened, this is rapidly becoming it. On the other hand, you have no evidence of any kind for your theory, which doesn’t stop you stating it.
I dismiss what a sucker-bait handheld laser like an Arctic Inferno can do because I have a fairly detailed practical knowledge of what lasers in general can do. It can’t create a “thunderbolt” – or “thunder bot”(sic) -; being handheld, it’s not very powerful at all. See:
http://www.laserpointersafety.com/class4lasers/class4lasers/review-wicked-arctic-laser.html
1W might burn a small hole in the plastic interior of the cabin. Just. And not for long – the power consumption is considerable, and you need to be able to carry the battery. A match would do the job far better. I have no idea why people buy these, but they apparently are currently considered to be kool. You need safety glasses if you have one. You would need to put them on before creating your thunderbolt (not), because even a chance reflection could blind you. And that’s the major hazard from one of those.
OK, Professor? Probably not….
Just the expected drivel from you.
No debris as yet been found from the crash – only strand bits in the Straits which don’t fit the specification of the 777.
I talk about military-hand-held lasers which can be up to ten times more powerful than the one 1 watt pointer you link.
And I never said that the laser itself could cause any thunder bolt – only create a hole in the cabin which allows the bean to go into the higher atmosphere, and bring the kinetic energy there blasting back, resulting the the two fires before the Asiana Flight 214 crashed, and the fiery plane McKay saw.
Don’t hurry back until you get up to speed about what apparently happened, and I am claiming..
THF^….pmsl. Oh, christ. Thank you for brightening up my day. I haven’t laughed so much since Father died. LOL.
Ten times? You’d need 1Kw or more (1000x1W) to get even a small hole in a 777’s’s alloy skin. No. it’s not carbon fibre, btw. That’s a BIG battery, Trowser. Think auto battery – and that’s assuming lasers are 100% efficient. Which they most certainly aren’t.
But I see where you’re going. You’ve spotted the problem identified a while ago with fatigue cracking of the 777’s skin, and you’re trying to parlay it into a woo conspiracy.
Good luck with that.
Now US aviation experts and crash investigators, according the the WSJ, flew another five hours after the last radar contact, allowing it to go as far as Beijing, Karachi, or Perth- you take your pick.
Of course, if the plane disintegrated shortly after the last contact, there could be no possibility for the true of what the “experts” are claiming about data from the still functioning engines.
One has good reason to suspect why the USA is concocting such lies.
Still no attempt by your to explain the two fires in the passenger cabin of Asiana Flight 214 which were underway before the crash, and continued on independently of it.
If in doubt, change the subject, eh, Trow?
I reiterate. No-one is going to burn a hole through a 777 from the inside (as you have repeatedly claimed here) using a handheld laser, or even a reasonably portable one. FACT.
One theory as to the disappearance of the flight may be based on catastrophic failure of the pressurised cabin. This may plausibly have been due to fatigue cracking. There is as yet no tangible evidence to support this, or any other theory. FACT, unless I’ve missed some breaking news.
You are a fantasist. And an ill-informed one. And I hope your academic work is of much higher quality.
Trowbridge H. Ford, 10:40
What? Flight 370 flew into a giant beanstalk?
http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/scarylaser.gif
Haven’t changed the subject. Simply asked you to explain the cause of the fires in the cabin of Asiana Flight 214 – what has apparently been repeated in the Malaysia flight, and you refuse to, changing the subject about matters you know nothing about like the size and capability of developed state’s secret hand-held lasers.
As for the quality of my academic work, you should consult the referees of my work in some of the most prestigious journals in history and politics.
‘…some of the most prestigious journals in history and politics.’
You said. None of them noted for papers on engineering, electronics or aviation, I see.
‘I have had about 30 articles published in referred journals like History, Bulletin of the Institute of Historical Research, Government & Opposition, Political Studies, Irish Historical Studies, Studia Hibernica,,Eire-Ireland, Durham University Journal, Comparative Politics, Studies, etc. about the plots surrounding the careers of Henry Brougham, A, V Dicey, and others. plus biographies of the two men.’
‘ Simply asked you to explain the cause of the fires in the cabin of Asiana Flight 214 – what has apparently been repeated in the Malaysia flight….’
But you have no evidence for that assertion. Nor that there was any similarity other than the aircraft type, between the two incidents, far less that a laser was the causal agent or that any breach of the aircraft skin was implicated in this low-altitude crash.
‘matters you know nothing about like the size and capability of developed state’s secret hand-held lasers.’
I have a working knowledge of basic physics(1), so secret knowledge like wot you have secretly obtained about secret state secret weapons isn’t really necessary. And in any case you were unwise enough to cite a commercial laser. Souped-up. To (1 to 9)/100 of the power required. To do a job which a long nail and a hammer in the right place would have done as effectively.
Bye.
(1) modesty forbids more elaboration as to my multiple areas of expertise. They’re secret, too.
Kempe, the exhaust gases can be cooled and filtered prior to entry into fuel tanks. Indeed, the fuel and surface area of the tanks in cold ambient temps would suffice for a cooling method. But if you are saying, from an informed position, that air fills the void in fuel tanks, i’ll take your word for it.
I shouldn’t really be telling you this, Clark, but I’ve got one of those notices. Haven’t had a cat in the garden since I put it up….
I have considerable expertise in conspiracies – what is responsible for these crashes.
I ask you for the causes of the fires in the planes – what anyone can see in the SFO crash when the 777 is on the ground – and you respond that I have no EVIDENCE for asking the question. Some kind of logic?
And there is similarity between the crashes because the both were caused by electrical failures because of some kind of external overload.
And the agent which caused the fires is far beyond your elementary knowledge of physics.
And there is nothing modest about you, assuming all kinds of guises so that you can continue to make absurd denials, personal attacks and pathetic claims.
Trowbridge H Ford, in kindness and with respect, your argument on this matter not logical. I apologise for taking the piss earlier, but really, making allegations in the absence of evidence is a silly mistake.
I have a personal recommendation for you; try computer programming as a hobby for a year or two. The computer will follow your instructions literally perfectly, and you will find, just as I did, that your programs will not work. Finding ones own logical errors, assumptions and omissions becomes necessary to make the program function as expected – this is known as ‘debugging’ – and it is a fascinating way to discover ones own logical failings.
Trowbridge H Ford, see my avatar? It’s an excerpt from the Mandelbrot Set, and I wrote the fairly short, simple program that plotted it. I don’t remember how many times I needed to revise the program before it worked properly; over a hundred, I’m sure.
Who benefits when a plane loaded with Chinese, and owned by Malaysia mysteriously disappears?
Sounds like Washington to me, taking the wind out of the sails of the perennially pesky Kuala Lumpur, and having all the furious survivors yelling and throwing things at their governors in Beijing. the source of the USA’s pivot to the Far East, because of its failure to find their loved ones.
Looks like just a massive ‘false flag’ murder to me which is complemented for Washington’s benefit by all the contradictory propaganda.
How can you combat Islamic terrorism when you are cozy with its godfathers?
Uighur’s have been fooled by the Wahhabis. Muslims in that part of the world were moderate, open to the outside world. Not intolerant and hating others. I am sorry that they have destroyed themselves by adopting Wahhabi guise. Same goes for Chechans and Daggestanis.
“The report warns about the Wahabi/Salafi organisations and claims that “no country in the Muslim world is safe from their operations … as they always aim to terrorise their opponents and arouse the admiration of their supporters.”
http://dawn.com/news/1029713/european-parliament-identifies-wahabi-and-salafi-roots-of-global-terrorism
European Parliament Identifies Wahabi and Salafi Roots of Global Terrorism
Report:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxoYWlkZXJub3Rlc3xneDo3NDEwMDI3NjViZTNjODZm
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/mass-murder-in-the-middle-east-is-funded-by-our-friends-the-saudis-8990736.html
Mass murder in the Middle East is funded by our friends the Saudis
World View: Everyone knows where al-Qa’ida gets its money, but while the violence is sectarian, the West does nothing
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/22/wikileaks-saudi-arabia-uae-funded-jihad-pakistan-children/
Saudi Arabia, UAE funded jihadi networks in Pakistan: Wikileaks cable
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding
WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists
There is also an EU report about this:
http://www.france24.com/en/20120929-how-saudi-arabia-petrodollars-finance-salafist-winter-islamism-wahhabism-egypt
How Saudi petrodollars fuel rise of Salafism
ttp://www.vancouversun.com/news/Saudi+funding+fuels+jihadist+terror/8448378/story.html
Saudi funding fuels jihadist terror
By the besides what we see in Syria, Libya’s uprising was led by Al Queda militants as well. There is a 2007 West Point report (see below) about suicide bombers in iraq, which stated after Saudis, Libyans were the largest number and based on population Libyans exceeded Saudis. Guess where they came from, the area where the uprising started-yes the Benghazi area!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37844.htm
The Nature of War has Changed, Which is Bleak News for Syria’s Minorities