If the missing Malaysian plane landed, it must have done so with the collusion of at least one government. The broadcast media is full this morning of ludicrous speculation that the plane has been landed in Afghanistan by the Taliban (the Uighurs having apparently gone out of fashion temporarily as Muslim scapegoats). They are trying to tell us that a Boeing 777 could hedge hop under military radar for thousands of miles with nobody noticing.
What on earth is the interest of the media in propagating this absolute guff? South East Asia is highly militarized. Radar is hardly cutting edge technology. The idea that a very large plane could overfly China, India or Pakistan without anybody being alerted is an absolute nonsense. Other countries in the region, such as Burma, Indonesia and the ex-Soviet countries, also have effective airspace surveillance.
If the plane indeed took the “northern corridor” it must have had government connivance. Otherwise, it took the southern corridor into the open sea and has gone down there. That last is by far the more likely scenario, and either progressive malfunction of some kind, or crew or staff suicide, the most likely causes.
Completely agree. The most likely scenario is progressive malfunction of the aircraft, with the plane eventually crashing into the sea. The media’s theories of the aircraft being flown for thousands of miles undetected are laughable, and their smearing of the pilots without any real evidence is disgraceful. What happened to real journalism rather than printing every rumour that came along? I really can’t for the life of me understand why anyone still pays for newspapers – you might as well buy a comic.
I sometimes wonder whether all the technology around us has just left many people unable to think for themselves, so they graft reality on to the latest trashy film they have seen.
After I read Mr. Murray’s utterly ridiculous statement about the Myanmar air defense, I think it is a good thing to remind him how some punk 19-year old kraut by the name of Matthias Rust, managed to sneak past 500 miles of state-of-the-art Soviet air defense and land in the middle of Red Square!
I’m not so sure the plane couldn’t have flown undetected over some of those countries. The way things are supposed to operate and the way things actually do operate in those places are often very different things. Especially when technology and state-run bureaucracy are concerned – both of which would apply to airspace surveillance. You also have the problem of negative results fatigue in such a system – the operators on the ground are looking for something that in their experience never happens, like a plane flying a totally unexpected route. So without very carefull training and drilling they will soon get bored and stop looking properly. Or switch the systems off to save money. Or neglect maintenance so half the system doesn’t function as it should. Come on, this is India, Pakistan, Burma, Indonesia, various -stan’s we are talking about. Perhaps not so much China, but even there, the recent aircraft carrier launched is hardly a marvel of military technology.
(I do believe The US and European systems will now be on high alert and anybody trying to get an unexpected, 777-sized flight into their airspace will be given a welcoming party.)
Still, for the pilots or supposed hijackers to have anticipated which countries would be watching and where and planned a strategy around that is pretty high-risk for them. Also, if they flew over land at 5,000 feet you would expect at least a few ordinary people on the ground to have noticed a massive jet flying low overhead and with the blanket news coverage put two and two together and reported something. Even the most remote areas must now have heard this story.
I like the gold idea above – or perhaps something or somebody else of value on the plane that nobody is thinking / being told about? It has the makings of a good conspiracy theory and something that SPECTRE would put together in an old James Bond movie. A massive boat ready to open its bows and suck the crash-landed jet in?
Progressive malfunction is not possible from what we are told of the deliberate nature of the aircraft movements, system shutdowns, and the lack of any kind of communication attempts by either crew or passengers. Although maybe that’s been misjudged and the explanation really is that simple.
For pilot suicide, it’s a rather complex plan. “I’ll take myself and 200+ others and try as hard as possible to leave no trace so nobody figures out what’s happened to us.” Rather than simply a last “F*CK THE WORLD” cry and into the sea? Who knows what goes through a suicidal mind, but possible, I guess.
At this point, it seems all bets are on…
Got it – ALIEN ABDUCTION.
“I like the gold idea above…something that SPECTRE would put together in an old James Bond movie.”
Similar to the plot of the 1993 film Cliffhanger, where a plane is hijacked by insiders for its consignment of banknotes.
In 2005 Helios 522 flew for over an hour on auto-pilot with no communication from crew or pilot due to hypoxia caused by a cabin pressure leak, only crashing when it ran out of fuel.
I predict that soon this thread will ground to a halt (as it gets replaced with other newsworthy items) but you are always welcome to continue your rants at the record-braking thread with soon (this week) 20,000 comments, which primarily deals with the Al-Hilly murders, which happened 1½ years ago, but also takes up other current issues.
IMHO, the plane wouldn’t have been taken North because they wouldn’t risk confronting so many national air defences. That makes it likely that they went South, and the most likely place is Indonesia, since the Islamists that organised the Bali bombing are there. So if the plane is intact, I would expect it to be under wraps in some remote region of Indonesia, to be used as a weapon. I hope I’m wrong.
Sorry for submitting my opinion here:
This was a criminal gold heist, perhaps supported by a few governments or by bribed and/or blackmailed members of a few governments.
Of course i am no insider but i am having friends in the ukraine who know a lot more than the media do.
feb 27th/28th 2014
The Chinese ambassador to the ukraine meets the new foreign minister of the ukraine for an urgent talk in kiev regarding the unpaid chinese $ 3 billion loan (given to ukraine in 2012). That loan was contractually secured by the ukrainian gold reserves (33 metric tons).
So far the ukraine had repaid $ 150 million worth of grain only, although they should have delivered one billion us $ worth of grain by now.
The chinese ambassador requests an immediate repayment of that loan due to the turmoil and political uncertainity of the ukraine.
They negotiate and agree to extend the repayment of that loan if the gold reserves were to be stored in china immediately. That was an urgent call and an ultimatum.
March 6th/7th 2014 night
Several witnesses see in Borispol airport (kiev) several trucks arriving and loading heavy boxes into an unidentified transport aircraft. There are already many online rumours on the web that this is gold and that it would be carried to the FED in NY. The airplane did depart shortly after midnight but i have heard from witnesses that it didnt depart towards west but towards east (direction asia and it could be tracked flying south east as long as it was in the ukrainian airspace).
March 7th estimated 8pm local time (+8) that plane arrives in Kuala Lumpur.
In kuala lumpur the cargo is received and checked by representatives of Asia Pacific and ANZ bank who received a gold import licence from china in january 2014. Earlier than 2014 most gold to china was carried via Hong Kong and their Hong Kong Asia Pacific branch and a chinese bank.
March 7th 11pm (3 hours later)
The gold is signed as cargo for MH370 to peking and loaded into the 777.
(For safety reasons china imports gold via Asia Pacific capital and carries that gold by commercial airlines only since never in history before pilots of commercial airlines did deliberately depart into other countries or to other destinations. Private planes, however, with two pilots only, had deliberately diverted often before and had stolen the freight).
March 8th 0:21
MH 370 is taking of
One hour later the plane is highjacked (either remotely or by the pilots or by PAX) and diverted to an unknown destination.
Btw, this was done in the same way as Semion Mogilevich had got his private nuclear bomb. However those were military planes at that time but no commercial passenger planes.
Q. “What on earth is the interest of the media in propagating this absolute guff?”
A.
“I am hardly the only stick-in-the-mud to observe that the impending takeover of Crimea, a precise piece of geopolitical logistics and confrontation with a full menu of international implications – journalistic red meat – has been blown away by a story with no evident meaning, other than the likely bleak fate of most onboard.
It is, of course, an ideal story for the current journalism era because it costs nothing. Nobody has to go anywhere. Nobody has to cover the wreckage and the recovery. Not only is the story pretty much all just theories – but theories are cheap.” (Michael Wolff)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/malaysia-airlines-mh370-media-conspiracy-theories
I think it was a malfunction, the news of which would cause massive losses to the airline industry. So feet were dragged in the hope that one organisation or another would claim responsibility for it. For some reason, this time, no one did.
Both the Malay and the US know something that they don’t want others to hear.
Something that will destroy Malay Airlines and Boeing.
@Kashmiri
17 Mar, 2014 – 10:22 am
Do you have a link for the media interview of that polish pilot?
Thanks in advance.
Good comment (the long one), DavidH.
Re gold heist, I imagine that planes only carry enough fuel plus a safe margin to make their scheduled journeys. The amount of fuel would be based on numbers of passengers, baggage and cargo.
If ten tonnes of gold was part of the cargo, I would expect that to be reflected in the amount of fuel that was rationed for the flight.
Anybody know how we can find out how much fuel the missing plane was carrying?
The plot is working like a charm for the culprits with the relatives of the 150 Chinese victims threatening a hunger strike if their authorities don’t come up with more information about what happened to their loved ones, and threatening to march on mass to the the Malaysian Embassy to get some answers for the sabotaged airplane from its ambassador.
IAnd I see that the site’s biggest prevaricators are getting involved to spread the confusion.
Just remember you read it here from me about what really happened, and why the plane and its 239 passengers will never be found..
TH
CF ventures –“Chinese seismologists noticed the consequences of when the vaporized debris finally hit the seabed floor, causing a minor earthquake.”
If it was ‘vaporized’ in the air, it couldn’t cause an ‘earthquake’ on the sea floor. If it caused an ‘earthquake’, it wasn’t ‘vaporized’. Try and be consistent.
And are we still relying on a laser, Trow? See, if the a/c is never found it’s going to be a little hard to know if you were right or not, and I think my belief in your wonderful theory will have to depend on how often you tell me it’s true.
Still think it was caused by a laser, its beam rupturing the skin of the plane’s fuselage from one of its toilets, and bring back a bolt of lightning which knocked out the whole electrical system which created the inferno that Mike McKay witnessed high in the sky, and resulted in the plane and its passengers being reduced to dust, like what happened to the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11.
Don’t know how else to describe this debris, hitting the water with tremendous force, and going down to the seabed to cause the earthquake.
Interesting to see that the site faithfully who helped cover up William Hershkovitz’s murders of the al-Hillis are now making their presence known here. Augurs well for this cover up. too.
“….the plane and its passengers being reduced to dust…”
looks pretty unambiguous to me. Maybe all the dust stuck together again before hitting the seafloor? That would have been due to the secret handheld gluon generator carried by Agent Y?
“…like what happened to the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11.”
Ah, you mean the a/c flew into a bloody great building suspended over the Indian Ocean? The mists are beginning to clear. Thank you.
Hershkowitz…the story appears to originate in Sweden. I wonder who “Model T Ford” is?
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s=2cb54d67e0a2e640f936200cd50ff75e&showtopic=52787&pid=829520&st=150&#entry829520
Call it a 300-ton fireball – like a big meteor in the atmosphere hitting the water and the seabed – if you like. Have to look to see if it caused a small, underreported tsunami.
The point about the 9/11 planes is that there was so little remains of them found that loony conspiracy theorists, especially Jim Fetzer, denied that they even existed.
And if you read the whole link you provided about Hershkovitz’s murders, you would see that I originally appeared as myself, and only became MTF because it was the only way I could post after I had been banned unannounced, and without explanation.
Jemand asked:
Anybody know how we can find out how much fuel the missing plane was carrying?
YOU and I definitely cannot tell. Judging by the Closseau-like way the investigation has evolved, it is doubtful whether the Malayan authorities has any clue either. For the determineded organisation behind this abduction it would be small beer to simply bribe the guy — or his boss — who comes out with the petrol-filling van, and while the van is alongside the plane, simply let it fill it up.
Nobody would notice if it is parked there for longer. It all comes down to whether the people running the airport has meticoulous control of all destinations for all flights on any single day, and that they at the end of the day compares this with the amount of fuel brought into the airport. Maybe the US and other advanced countries has this sort of check in place, but I cannot imagine that a thirdworld country like Malaysia has it.
Jemand asked:
YOU and I definitely cannot tell. Judging by the Closseau-like way the investigation has evolved, it is doubtful whether the Malayan authorities has any clue either. For the determineded organisation behind this abduction it would be small beer to simply bribe the guy — or his boss — who comes out with the petrol-filling van, and while the van is alongside the plane, simply let it fill it up.
Nobody would notice if it is parked there for longer. It all comes down to whether the people running the airport has meticoulous control of all destinations for all flights on any single day, and that they at the end of the day compares this with the amount of fuel brought into the airport. Maybe the US and other advanced countries has this sort of check in place, but I cannot imagine that a thirdworld country like Malaysia has it.
….because it was the only way I could post after I had been banned unannounced, and without explanation.
I’m sure there was an explanation, but it probably defied the laws of physics too…
If I may add a final sentence to my previous post, it would be this:
–and indeed this is the reason why Kuala Lumpur was chosen in the first place.
Now US investigators are claiming that the diversion of the plane to the left was programmed into the flight plan on the computer between the pilots, though they don’t when for sure when it was done, and if for sure by them.
Of cours, one would like to know how they can read what is in the vanished computer.
Why don’t they imagine where the plane itself is.
You just can’t make this shit up -leave it to the so-called experts!
The timing was perfect. Leaving Kuala Lampur airspace, using that dead-zone before VietNam could establish vectors.
I don’t believe in coincidences.
Mark Golding said he has personally witnessed two planes merging into one radar signature.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465126/Missing-Malaysia-Airlines-plane-may-have-been-cyber-hijacked-using-mobile-phone
“British anti-terror expert Dr Sally Leivesley said last night: “It might well be the world’s first cyber hijack.”
Dr Leivesley, a former Home Office scientific adviser, said the hackers could change the plane’s speed, altitude and direction by sending radio signals to its flight management system. It could then be landed or made to crash by remote control. Possible culprits include criminal gangs, terrorists or a foreign power.”
Rogue jet confirmed ‘not missing plane.”
http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1447877/malaysian-military-confirms-spotting-rogue-aircraft-after-mh370-vanished
Don’t tell me the Freescale 20 aren’t relevant.
http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=RF_PWR_AERODEF
Freescale’s commercial products can meet the requirements of applications such as:
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“Dr Leivesley, a former Home Office scientific adviser, said the hackers could change the plane’s speed, altitude and direction by sending radio signals to its flight management system.”
Of course this could be done without the pilots noticing and taking manual control of the aircraft.
Kenneth; Your namesake has been linked to a couple of blogs on your theory on SIA68
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/17/1285431/-MH-370-New-Theory-Is-Pure-Genius-Almost#
Or Ledgerwood, if that isn’t you.
It is a ‘capability’ Kempe.